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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus As for HAM - no fofs = bad
Have you ever changed to FoFs in PvP? And you "won" because of it? Guess you also think the Sacrilege a fail cause it's meant for HAMs..
I think the HAM drake is a superb PvP BC, tho my skills in the Harbi are better.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pants Crastus As for HAM - no fofs = bad.
Colossal fail.
And what's the rest of this rubbish? You're boasting about 280 DPS? If my Drake did 280 DPS I'd self-destruct then and there.
Originally by: Pants Crastus
Originally by: Cpt Branko The ability to soak a lot more damage isn't very relevant unless you're using it as a bait ship or operating under sentries, as you won't be primary until last.
You will be if you jump in first and you will also be if you're the slow one. Until they give up that is. Just try it.
I suggest that you try it against a competent opponent. Try coming to lowsec, for example. Here's what will happen. They'll shoot you. Then your gang jumps in and either the enemy warps out, because your useless brick can't tackle anyone, or they'll switch target and kill you last. Tanking isn't a role and it's only useful when you're being shot at. Heh, if your opponents' gangs of 3-4 ships can't kill a Drake they must have even more problems than you.
I think you have rather a lot to learn about Drake PVP...
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
I suggest that you try it against a competent opponent. Try coming to lowsec, for example. Here's what will happen. They'll shoot you. Then your gang jumps in and either the enemy warps out, because your useless brick can't tackle anyone, or they'll switch target and kill you last.
Correction, we'll know about your gang in advance, unless you're Geminschaft and do a massive logonski. The Drake bait still died as did their plate Mega
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:26:00 -
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Another reason a HAM drake is good, and I'm stupid to propogate this knowledge since the drake is my specialty....
Yes, the drake can fit a MWD/scram/point, have a huge barrier tank and do a crap ton of damage all at the same time,
what makes it even better is a drake is almost NEVER shot at until the last ships in your gang are leaving the area in defeat and the FC has called for everyone to pull out.
The only drakes I've lost in the past 6 months or so were to gatecamps when I was alone or to huge fleet battles with impossible lag. Note that every time I get caught by a gate camp I kill at least 1 or 2 of the enemy's ships (usually a rapier/huginn and something else that decides to get in web range). They never seem to anticipate that your drake has a web and a crap ton of DPS.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 30/05/2008 19:17:20 lol
just driving by
P.S : I need Jessica Alba's cell phone number.
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Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:53:00 -
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Jackal, mind posting up your HAM fit? I'm in the process of grinding up the skills to fly a drake competently (2 days until T2 HAMS. Can already fly T2 HML). I've got a few fits thrown together in EFT, but I'd be interested in taking a peak at what you fly. . . .
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Amberly Coteaz
Crimson Flag
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79
what makes it even better is a drake is almost NEVER shot at until the last ships in your gang are leaving the area in defeat and the FC has called for everyone to pull out.
Shield Tanking
Armour Tanking
Speed Tanking Reputation Tanking
Hull Tanking
Honour Tanking
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2008.05.31 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mahn AlNouhm Jackal, mind posting up your HAM fit? I'm in the process of grinding up the skills to fly a drake competently (2 days until T2 HAMS. Can already fly T2 HML). I've got a few fits thrown together in EFT, but I'd be interested in taking a peak at what you fly.
No implants setup (66K Effective hitpoints, 550 DPS with my skills)
HIGH 7x HAM II (faction terror assault) 1x empty
MID 1x Large Shield Extender II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
LOW 3x Ballistic Control II 1x Named PDU (will probably need a Mark I or better)
RIGS 3x Core Defence Field Extender I
DRONES 5x Hobgoblin IIs
+4% Powergrid implant Required setup (76K Effective hitpoints, 550 DPS with my skills)
HIGH 7x HAM II (faction terror assault) 1x empty
MID 1x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor II 1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
LOW 3x Ballistic Control II 1x Damage Control II
RIGS 3x Core Defence Field Extender I
DRONES 5x Hobgoblin IIs
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Souldraggon
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kejoga oh, can I get a pinwheel for it too? something reallly nice and shiny. And a panini machine for it. Nothing like a hot toasty sandwich when you kill bad guys!
I want all this, and a pony. I like ponies..
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Sitthh
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Posted - 2008.06.01 15:43:00 -
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Yup buff the Drake, anyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong.
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Imaos
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Posted - 2008.06.01 22:00:00 -
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If you take a look at the command ships, you might call for a nerf of the drake. Compare nighthawk and drake. Nighthawk has ~12% more damage if you compare heavies to heavies which vanishes if you stick HAMs on it (and has a meaner passive tank to with the 3rd rig). I don't think the drake needs a buff as strong as it is. More like it needs less tank and more gank, but than really nobody would need a nighthawk (except if you like the colour scheme).
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Edriahn
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:12:00 -
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Drake has good tank, but needs...I don't know... may be 300 DPS more or something like that and it will be a proper battlecruiser.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 02/06/2008 11:19:32
Originally by: Edriahn Drake has good tank, but needs...I don't know... may be 300 DPS more or something like that and it will be a proper battlecruiser.
The things I could do with a 900 DPS Drake...
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Batolemaeus If anything, the drake could use a tad more cpu..
But other than that, if you fail to reach 400dps on a passivetanked drake in a mission, you fail at fitting tbfh.
The 400 DPS number is quite silly. Even with absolute max skills a two BCU drake will only be edging towards this number and only starts exceeding the number with faction ammo or T2 ammo (And if you're using faction ammo in a mission drake, you can pretty much cut your potential profits in half). Three BCU's compromises the tank to the point that some level 4's become an annoying series of warpouts.
I have flown a lot of Lvl4's with three bcu. The only constraint is the crappy cpu, so i need to use cheap faction for the hardeners.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:35:00 -
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I say we all agree to shush with the Drake topic.
Otherwise HAM Drake's will become FOTM.
Advantage is, I'm a PvP Drake pilot and I've just finally gotten the message.
There is so much prejudice against Drakes tho you could paint "HAM" in neon and still noone will pay attention to you.
I will not post in a Drake thread again. Everyone else should agree and just let people wonder how you beat them.
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