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Cyshade
Cruoris Seraphim
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.31 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cyshade on 31/05/2008 15:55:54
Cruoris Seraphim will defend the people of Skarkon from this insidious threat. The Angel Cartel is nothing but a collection of assorted degenerate filth that neither deserve nor warrant any territorial claim in this area.
The Cartel is collecting tribute for one service they cannot provide û protection and security. To assist the peoples of Skarkon to reconsider their position, we will be recommencing the formerly abandoned practise of blooding minors.
Any cartel podpilots seen in the areaà
well, they will only have themselves to blame.
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IzzyChan
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.31 15:57:00 -
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The Cartel have stepped over the line, it's time to push them right back.
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Lordus Mark
RDK Trusting Holders
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Posted - 2008.05.31 16:02:00 -
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hehehe!!!
Bloods and Sanshas uniting against Cartel?
hahaha!!!
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RDK Trusting Holders
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Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.31 16:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Lordus Mark
hehehe!!!
Bloods and Sanshas uniting against Cartel?
hahaha!!!
That isn't news really.
The Guristas, Sansha and Blooders have always had pact of sorts that they unite against Angel incursions and threats.
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Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.31 17:21:00 -
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Whatever the Cartel claim, Skarkon is still part of the Minmatar Republic and under its protection.
Even were it true, to hold children to blame for the sins of their parents? Even Cardinal Sarikusa turned away from this.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Avena
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.31 17:49:00 -
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Veto Corp offer our best wishes to [CR-SE] and [NQM] and would like to convey our hopes that the operation in Skarkon proves to be a complete success.
To Naqam, we also offer our unfortunate regrets regarding our current lack of fire support.
Due to events in Ishomilken yesterday, Veto Corp finds itself in a situation that would make it both unprofitable and unwise to launch an offensive on such a scale until our investagatory, rescue and salvage operations are complete.
Sincerely,
Avena Gariushi
Acting Chief Executive
Veto Corp
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Kyoko Sakoda
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.05.31 19:05:00 -
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You will defend the people of Skarkon by blooding them? If that's not twisted logic I'm not sure what is. Oppressive Blooder and Sansha activity over the skies of Skarkon II must be one of the many reasons why the populace turned to the Angel Cartel for protection.
As for you, Ms. Char, I find it quite unfortunate that you have befriended this threat rather than realized the implications of doing nothing about it. How could you totally ignore these Blooders and Slavers squatting in a single system anyway? Perhaps none of this would have happened to your poor, miserable Republic had you stepped up.
And of course, Ms. Gariushi, I am quite dispirited by the Gurista cartel's open support of a faction that has no goal but to enslave the universe. I find it most counter-productive to ally with a nefarious organization that desires to eat humanity whole. That's not very profitable, is it? I do think, deep in his heart somewhere, Mr. Verone knows better, and you do too.
Issuing shadowy threats against my organization will not work, Cyshade. We will deal with yours when time allows. Until then, I trust the Archangels will be able to take steps to ensure the population is more secure planetside.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.31 19:38:00 -
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Delightful news.
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Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.31 21:27:00 -
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You might want to check your intel, Ms Sakoda. Cruoris Seraphim have been kill on sight to Electus Matari since their first visit to Molden Heath. Naqam weren't, because Naqam weren't pirating, or slaving.
Now the two are allied, however, we can't make distinctions between them anymore, because what benefits the one, benefits the other.
Events in Skarkon are a matter between the Republic and the Cartel. That's all there is to it.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Kyoko Sakoda
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:14:00 -
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Ms. Char, the fact remains that the Sansha are a threat to the entirety of humanity. They don't need to be pirating or slaving to manipulate. You should have known this from the beginning.
You say Skarkon is simply a matter between us. Yet there are other factions willing to make it their business. The Republican government and their Fleet as it stands has failed here, allowing for this. As a defender of the Republic, that's something you should keep in mind.
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Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:37:00 -
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The Sansha are a threat merely because of their existence? Even if they don't do anything? That's a point I'm going to have to dispute.
And you can claim that Fleet failed all you like... just as the Cartel claims it has 10 million signatures on a petition to cede to Cartel sovereignty.
Have you seen Skarkon II?
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Kyoko Sakoda
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
The Sansha are a threat merely because of their existence? Even if they don't do anything? That's a point I'm going to have to dispute.
You believe they are not doing anything, Ms. Char, but in fact they wish for you to believe they are harmless. Read some of the archives here, in particular Naqam's announcement that they would provide their "Ultra Happy Chips" to Malkalen victims for free. If that's not manipulation of the will I don't know what is.
And please don't whine about those signatures. The news reports that they are authentic, and you have no reason to doubt otherwise except out of perhaps a state of shock and denial.
As I pointed out in another thread, legitimacy is merely a construct you have created.
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3ll3
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.01 01:01:00 -
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Miss Sakoda,
Forgive my interuption but I feel you should look fully at all angles before jumping the gun some thing I fear many inderviduals my self included tend to do.
Try asking why Evanda Char thinks and says this, try to see all the diffrent angles first as there may be things you can not see in just one angle alone.
Has Miss Chan's group gone out of their way to force people to take any chips?
Have they Done any thing to attack the republic?
They have defended the Republic from Enemies of the Republic and those who would do harm by the Matari People, true it does not excuse the actions of those they emulate.
But then that's just my opnion and it's not worth that much.
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Ravin Abai
Cruoris Seraphim
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 03:38:00 -
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Look kids! It's everyone's favorite outlaw with a heart of gold! Self-righteous Cartel baglady Kyoko Sakoda!
Tell me, Caldari, how many kredits a month do you pay the Cartel to let you paint their insignia on your ships?
I'm looking forward to exsanguinating you along with the rest of your wretched little band.
See you in space.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:02:00 -
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Hilarious. All of it.
Particularly you though, dear Ravin.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:15:00 -
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Mr. Elle, there is no need for Naqam to force people to implant themselves. Deception proves useful enough, particularly in the midst of an emotional event. You may not see it, but that is all a part of the plan.
As for you Abai, well, you're just hilarious. I fly the Angel flag out of my own volition, though admittedly there is something I seek from the Dominations and hope to gain their trust through loyal service. However, I am quite content using the organization as a vessel through which I can fight the Sansha menace.
As for the self-righteousness bit, there's a common phrase among us: "perfection ain't all it's *****ed up to be." Perhaps it is you and your Sansha friends trying to find perfection through your rituals and mindslaving, and perhaps that is why you should be destroyed.
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Kudon Astraisx
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:23:00 -
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I support the right to self-determination of the people of Skarkon. If they truly do not wish to be part of the Republic, then any action to force them to remain would be immoral and counter-productive.
That said, Executor Char has indeed sown serious doubt in my mind as to the legitimacy of the petition and the secession. I believe that the Republic, possibly the Justice Department or Security Services, should investigate appropriately.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
... open support of a faction that has no goal but to enslave the universe.
...just like the Cartel has no goal but to turn it into their personal playground and cash cow?
please. 
Just to clarify, Naqam does not enslave or partake in slave-trading in any form. We do not pirate, although may open fire on vessels percieved to be a threat to us; particually those afilliated with entities in bad standing.
Various other, more centered Nation affiliates such as True Creations have been known to purchase Slaves within the boundries of Stain, however this is completely passive in nature and you'll find that their quality of life is significantly higher within the Nation than with their previous Amarr owners.
As hard it may be for you to believe, since Kuvakei's demise, nobody that has joined the Nation with a free will has left without it.
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Avena
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.01 06:16:00 -
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People seem to forget that slavery exists in more than just one way, and the personification of a slave should never be limited to a man, woman or child in shackles.
I look out onto the station platform a thousand times a day and see millions of slaves. Slaves to the system, those without the will, funding or better knowledge to break free.
Contrary to popular belief, slavery is not a ball and chain, or a neural implant.
Slavery is a state of mind. A defeated, conformist state of mind that imposes a metaphorical set of shackles on an individual and forces them to submit to the system.
True freedom is breaking loose from those invisible chains.
I know, because I feel it.
I was once like those people on the station platform.
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Silver Night
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 01/06/2008 07:17:18
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Evanda Char
The Sansha are a threat merely because of their existence? Even if they don't do anything? That's a point I'm going to have to dispute.
You believe they are not doing anything, Ms. Char, but in fact they wish for you to believe they are harmless. Read some of the archives here, in particular Naqam's announcement that they would provide their "Ultra Happy Chips" to Malkalen victims for free. If that's not manipulation of the will I don't know what is.
Ms Sakoda, first, the NHB Ultra Happy ChipÖ does nothing to free will, nor people's beliefs. If someone hated the Nation, and got the chip, they would still hate the Nation, for example.
Second, those unfortunates in Malkalen do indeed have the option of getting the NHB Ultra Happy ChipÖ installed at no charge. However there is a mandatory waiting period to make sure that they really want to get the NHB Ultra Happy ChipÖ and ensure that they are in as stable a mental state as possible. At some point you do have to let people make decisions for themselves. (And to those unfamiliar with the true faces of the Nation and the Cartel that might seem ironic, me having to tell her this).
If you have any further concerns regarding our Safe Harbor Program, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Your humble servant, as always,
Silver Night
Edit: I have included here links to all announcements regarding the NHB Ultra Happy ChipÖ and the Safe harbor program announcement, for convenience.
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The Clown Man.
GLS Mr. State
Caldari Patriot.
Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Karanth
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:23:00 -
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I have to say, this is probably one of the more ridiculous things I've read here in days. Why don't we all lead a crusade against people mining the moons there, and after that we can have a giant tea party?
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Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avena
People seem to forget that slavery exists in more than just one way, and the personification of a slave should never be limited to a man, woman or child in shackles.
I look out onto the station platform a thousand times a day and see millions of slaves. Slaves to the system, those without the will, funding or better knowledge to break free.
Contrary to popular belief, slavery is not a ball and chain, or a neural implant.
Slavery is a state of mind. A defeated, conformist state of mind that imposes a metaphorical set of shackles on an individual and forces them to submit to the system.
True freedom is breaking loose from those invisible chains.
Submitting to the system is slavery? Well, you could call it that. I call it civilization.
The part where we, of our free will, choose to bind ourself to follow laws and regulations in exchange for the ability to co-operate and share with our fellow man with the certainty that if I'm betrayed society will take my side instead of cheering at the "ingenuity" of the thief.
To live without the constant fear that everything you've ever worked for is going to be taken away just because someone felt like it.
As pod-pilots many of us chose to leave that system. Some because they did not want to live in it (an option that is open to most people, just don't expect society in general to be tolerant if you chose to prey on it) and some because they wanted to defend it.
I'm rich, educated and, lets face it, a trained killer. As such I have the ability to defend my life and what is mine. I have chosen a life where I have to be a killer to defend what is mine, and to protect my rights.
The majority of the people in this universe don't have that kind of wealth and most likely don't have and do not want that kind of training. If there is a single cause that I'd be willing to give my life for it's to defend the right of the general population in this galaxy to not be forced to be killers to defend what is theirs. Their life, their property and their family.
Some will always have to step into that breach to defend civilization from savagery, but in a civilized society it's our choice.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
...just like the Cartel has no goal but to turn it into their personal playground and cash cow?
Don't the Gurista pirates do this? Do you have some moral objection to ISK? If the world isn't your playground, you aren't truly living.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Just to clarify, Naqam does not enslave or partake in slave-trading in any form.
Incorrect. Please once again ask Mr. Mort how he came to be affiliated with Naqam.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
We do not pirate, although may open fire on vessels percieved to be a threat to us; particularly those affiliated with entities in bad standing.
Your rules of engagement are of your own concern, but it doesn't give you a leg up when you associate heavily with a faction that does. It's like the CVA and their Not Red, Don't Shoot ROE, and their stance against piracy, and subsequently their turning around to befriend pirate corporations, which is very real. I can cite at least two examples off the top of my head.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
As hard it may be for you to believe, since Kuvakei's demise, nobody that has joined the Nation with a free will has left without it.
Because no one has left at all. They are slaves to a system, but a much more perceivable and physical system than Ms. Gariushi described.
As for you Mr. Night, I'll let people make their own judgments. It is insurmountably difficult for me to counter a well-constructed PR sham on my own. Perhaps the Sansha should be allowed to spread their influence, just so that the universe would once again see how dangerous they are. Human beings hardly ever learn from history, after all, hmm?
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Andre Ricard
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.01 17:04:00 -
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I've probably visited Skarkon more than most of the people commenting in this topic, and frankly the addition of a few Blooders and other assorted ne'er-do-wells would be essentially par for the course. As the system that serves as the border between the Republic and the independent RSF, that area's been a hotbed for piracy and lawlessness for over a year.
If the Republic wishes to exert control, they may want to consider a stronger presence in the area.
All this being said. I'm curious as to the authenticity of this petition the Cartel has produced.
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Avena
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.01 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
I'm rich, educated and, lets face it, a trained killer.
Avena smirks as she reads...
Sure you are tiger, and modest too.
Be careful with all that exertion while training to kill, at your age you might dislocate something, old man.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 01/06/2008 21:38:25
Originally by: Avena
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
I'm rich, educated and, lets face it, a trained killer.
Avena smirks as she reads...
Sure you are tiger, and modest too.
Be careful with all that exertion while training to kill, at your age you might dislocate something, old man.
Compared to the average citizen in the Empire, yes I am. I've served with the Amarr navy and I've been a pod pilot for quite a while now. By human standards pretty much any pod-pilot with 0.0 experience is a walking natural disaster.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 22:05:00 -
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We're working with the Blooders to keep the Cartel out of the area, Cruoris Seraphim's methods may seem cruel, but if the Republic wanted this job done cleanly they should have done it themselves.
No surprise however to see the Angels focusing primarily on the Nation as the root of all evil in the midst of this Cruoris Seraphim announcement. We're not enslaving people here, we're not trying to claim the system, and we're certainly not idly standing by allowing an entire world to fall into the hands of a depraved and profit motivated Cartel with no vision or purpose beyond satisfying their wallets and their perversions.
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Demon Nuzzle
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.01 23:12:00 -
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A lot of rhetoric from all sides, Any one going to declare a war or something?
It would be pleasing to see which was the more powerful, and who could stomach the most loss.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.01 23:27:00 -
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Quote:
because Naqam weren't pirating, or slaving
Hilarious.
Deus Vult!
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Silver Night
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 01/06/2008 23:30:55
Originally by: Demon Nuzzle
It would be pleasing to see which was the more powerful, and who could stomach the most loss.
Especially pleasing, I'm sure, for those such as yourself who view anyone who disagrees with CONCORD as undeserving of life. If it comes to that I'm confident that we will stand up for the people of this system. Why aren't we seeing more Amarr loyalists here though? This is a prime opportunity, after all. You can 'save' these people from not just the Cartel, but the Blooders and us Sansha as well. Come to Skarkon and start enlightening people. Please.
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
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because Naqam weren't pirating, or slaving
Hilarious.
These delightful, if contentless, one liners are always a pleasure from the august shepherds of the PIE cattle. Naqam doesn't enslave anyone. And why you would be commenting on it if we did is beyond me.
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The Clown Man.
GLS Mr. State
Caldari Patriot.
Sansha's Nation Supporter
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