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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 01/06/2008 07:22:06 Anyone remember when we were freaking out over the wallpapaers on the Factional warfare expansion site?
WEll it's ok! because now a real page of "screenshots" have been added, just to make sure new players joining eve will see what game play really looks like, not like those silly wallpapers with the ships failing apart and everything.
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I like this one, I remember those effects in game. EDIT (Actually minus the model breaking into three piece all of the effects in the screenshot are from in-game)
So, be honest with us CCP, is this a new feature planed for the future or what? your sure as hell advertising it.
If the trailer for EA comes out and has these effects, AND it's not planned at all to be put into the game some day I will dissapointed, as one of the cooest things about eve trailers has always been it's all real time graphics. Sure it's running with super AA and such, 10 times higher rez textures. But it's all game play if you see it, it can happen.
Well other than the nyx but that's a story line thing.
I'm talking about normal combat that these "screenshots" show. it's not advertising some event in eve, it's just a normal example of eve gameplay for incoming players.
So PLEASE CCP! Tell us what is up :(
What do you guys think? PR move? or are these examples of a future update? Because honestly, they look great.
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ELECTR0FREAK
Dragon Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:35:00 -
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Well if I remember right, after Trinity was released, CCP did make a statement say that improved effects were coming as well. I think I saw somewhere that they said the new effects wouldn't make it into this expansion, but will be coming afterwards.
This is just from my crappy memory, so hopefully someone can link something to shed some more light on it all.
They've said that Ambulation (Station Walking) was coming out in 2008, so I'm going to guess that's going to be in late fall / early winter. It's possible that the weapon effects stuff was delayed by the staff being needed to work on that project as well.
If you notice, Empyrean Age (aside from Rank graphics) is almost exclusively content stuff after Trinity's primarily graphic expansion. Perhaps they've got the content and art departments running 2 different expansion projects at the same time, with staggered releases? That would support my theory of a graphic-based expansion coming after Empyrean age that includes updated weapon effects and Ambulation. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 01/06/2008 07:40:03 hmm well I know for a fact that CCP works on a system where there are multiple projects being worked on by multiple teams.
Each feature as I understand it is developed for 1 to 2 years before release.
By having 4 teams run starting at different times they can release an expansion every 6 months that has been in the works for the past 1 to 2 years.
What I'm worried about is the link shown to players on the Sci-Fi channel are showing these shots. So it gets my hopes up, but I don't think it's going to happen until later... but the screenshots!
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 01/06/2008 08:16:42 Yeah the first thing I thought when I saw those screenshots is that it looks dishonest because they're clearly doctored.
But now that you mention it, if it's a planned graphics update, then that's awesome. I just... have my doubts.
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Ral Ulgur
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:26:00 -
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I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun.
well those hualers where the original typhoon models... maybe were getting combat fitted faction hualers! WOOOOO!
haha j/k :P
I wish.
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Ujarc2
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Posted - 2008.06.01 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun.
You the one apoc in two pieces?
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Leviathan9
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun.
well those hualers where the original typhoon models... maybe were getting combat fitted faction hualers! WOOOOO!
haha j/k :P
I wish.
Maybe they're switching the models back. Imo Typhoon should have the mammoth hull cos it looks soo much cooler. ----------------------------
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:55:00 -
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Oh no, Now I'm hopeful that they will not only add effects but give me my cooler hull back :P
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Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.06.01 15:07:00 -
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Would be a shame if the effects dont come with this exspansion, at least then everyone could benefit from it.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
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emepror
The Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch THE VILLAGE PE0PLE
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Posted - 2008.06.01 15:22:00 -
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i want to see missile launchers :( NOT JUST SPAWN MISSILES FROM THE MIDDLE
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Bahhs Deep
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Posted - 2008.06.01 15:41:00 -
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Bottom right pic...
An Armageddon wreck....broken in half.
I think I need to change my pants...
REAL WRECKS FTW!!!!
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.02 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: emepror i want to see missile launchers :( NOT JUST SPAWN MISSILES FROM THE MIDDLE
True, it doesn't seem that hard to do for guns.
Personally I don't they need to make missile turrets, just map missile turrets into the ships.
For instance the bellicose has visible missile launchers. The stabber does to.
The drake is another example.
For the rest of the ships just make a texture that opens up like a missile bay hidden in the ships and then fires a missile and then it closes again.
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Mica Swanhaven
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Posted - 2008.06.02 00:58:00 -
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Now there is docked video on the ad for eve online on the mmorpg.com site.
It shows a rifter swinging back and front in space as it takes fire.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger?
I made a thread about this right after the FW features page went live and got no Dev response. With the bulldog attitude they have been taking about correcting posts with the wrong information about FW and EA I think that maybe we will see this in the expansion.
Devs feel free to 'Correct' me plz.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Neth'Rae Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger?
I made a thread about this right after the FW features page went live and got no Dev response. With the bulldog attitude they have been taking about correcting posts with the wrong information about FW and EA I think that maybe we will see this in the expansion.
Devs feel free to 'Correct' me plz.
yes please devs.
And like I stated I posted this because now there are MORE pictures showing these effects.
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KenDoll
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: KenDoll on 02/06/2008 01:06:04 not sure why they even bothered with screenshots seeing as how there is no real content other than factional based warfare, not exactly original (or complicated an idea) and 4 years overdue in itself anyways.
doubt it will bring any new subscribers.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: KenDoll Edited by: KenDoll on 02/06/2008 01:06:04 not sure why they even bothered with screenshots seeing as how there is no real content other than factional based warfare, not exactly original (or complicated an idea) and 4 years overdue in itself anyways.
doubt it will bring any new subscribers.
you sir haven't been part of eve uni or other learning corp have you?
Almost every new player asks "So... can I go to war with the ammar? or whatever race happens to be what the story calls for.
However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said.
and yet they are showing screenshots.
SO This thread is asking "WTF! is that ship breaking apart!?!"
and hopefully this thread will with the older thread about the wallpapaers, get CCP out of hiding.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said.
There was a very specific post from Wrangler stating that FW was only part of the EA feature set. Which means that there is other stuff not yet officially mentioned to well.. Mention. Bet they won't say **** till right before EA goes live the bastages.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.02 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: MotherMoon However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said.
There was a very specific post from Wrangler stating that FW was only part of the EA feature set. Which means that there is other stuff not yet officially mentioned to well.. Mention. Bet they won't say **** till right before EA goes live the bastages.
I disagree I bet they will release the information to some random third party mmorpg news site before EA goes live :P Then what you said :)
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Mattikus
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.02 04:01:00 -
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I'll add my opinion...yes...the screenshots are heavily photoshopped and no...I really dont think we will see this in the expansion either.
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Reven Cordelle
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Posted - 2008.06.02 09:34:00 -
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IMO, 'shopped.
I remember seeing the screenshots for Trinity when that was released and it doesn't really look the same in game now.
The complete lack of AA probably has something to do with it, but its definately bad karma if they're showing fragmenting wrecks rather than an explosion, then a blob of metal scraps, and then it just turns out to be a blob of metal scraps in EA too.
I'll happily eat my Racoon tail cap if they deliver on the graphics however.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 02/06/2008 10:17:35 I noticed the same thing before the last release (when the graphics were updated). The so called "in game screen shots" had little to do with the actual game besides the models of the items being the same. I even made a thread about it after the release with comparison between the advertisements and the real thing and there are massive differences. Of course the quality of the graphics wasn't as good on my PC as on the screen shots but that wasn't all - there were for instance logos and writing on the screen shots that simply don't exist in game ... so thats a dead giveaway that the pictures were not made in EVE or at least not in the version of EVE that was then released.
I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models.
The screen shot of the rifter for instance is clearly a fake or if not then it was massively edited and enchanced to make it look better then what we (the paying customers) actually get.
So basically I really don't like being lied to by some PR-guy... make two homepages: one with the fake screen shots to attract customers and a "real" page that you can only access with user & password that has actual game footage and not marketing rubish. Or otherwise put a fat red warning above the pictures that reads "these pictures may not be real EVE graphics".
Less PR-lying please.
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Dan Grobag
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:39:00 -
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Effect in eve suck, they make your fps single digit and look bad. The torpedo explosion is more pixelated than doom and gun trails look like ms paint line if you're too far.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:34:00 -
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I started a post like this in the old Emp. Age. thread when it was first announced and the site went live. The term commonly used for this kind of thing is "bullshot". :)
As for the ships looking better, well you'll notice they look pretty spanky in the trailers as w well (look back at the Trinity trailer too). CCP's stated (too lazy to find link) that they're using extremely high resolution textures which we do not have in the premium content (yet?) to make those. Presumably it's the same for the screenshots, and then edited to add some creative splashes here and there.
Is it 100% accurate to the game? Conceptually yes, visually not so much. But the concept is what's being marketed, the visuals already sell themselves.
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AltBier
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:07:00 -
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Legal question: If they claim it's an in-game screenshot and it isn't, does that amount to false advertising?
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend
I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models.
Well as I remember from some dev posts around trinity. Every screenshot is taken from the game actually. But it is not from tranq client but CCP internal one with "all enabled". It features higher resolution textures some more effects that were removed for performance reasons and so on
Originally by: Melor Rend
The screen shot of the rifter for instance is clearly a fake or if not then it was massively edited and enchanced to make it look better then what we (the paying customers) actually get.
A little bit better textures or more layers can make a wonderful difference
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Joshua Foiritain
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Felin
Originally by: Melor Rend
I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models.
Well as I remember from some dev posts around trinity. Every screenshot is taken from the game actually. But it is not from tranq client but CCP internal one with "all enabled". It features higher resolution textures some more effects that were removed for performance reasons and so on
Hence the screen shot is fake, taking the shot in a 3d modeling program or in a beefed up client that only devs have access to amounts to the same thing, CCP are lying to their current and potential customers.
I hope these effects will be released on TQ otherwise CCP have actually managed to sink to SOE's level, which is bad.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Hence the screen shot is fake, taking the shot in a 3d modeling program or in a beefed up client that only devs have access to amounts to the same thing, CCP are lying to their current and potential customers.
I hope these effects will be released on TQ otherwise CCP have actually managed to sink to SOE's level, which is bad.
They're not lying. It's called marketing. I'm not saying it's a awesome to do that sort of thing, but it's definitely not new to the industry. In my opinion, EVE doesn't NEED that kind of thing given how fracking gorgeous the engine is. If CCP is having a hard time taking pretty pictures they should let me know -- I've got zillions. :D
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