Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mara Lonitora
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 15:33:00 -
[1]
Edited by: Mara Lonitora on 02/06/2008 15:33:33 I was wondering if the race specific ECM devices work against NPC rats at all. Is each rat type classified as being from one of the four main races? How would I know which type of rat is affected by which race-specific ECM device?
Thanks,
Mara
|
Don Bosco
Jita Industries
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 16:04:00 -
[2]
as far as i know the effect of ecm on npcs is zero
|
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 16:17:00 -
[3]
You can look up the specs of different rats using a database such as this one.
You will generally find that the race of the rat matches the race of its opposing faction: for example, Minmatar and Arch Angels are both vulnerable to ladar.
Unless you have a specific reason to use ECM against rats, it is not recommended. Rats tend to come in larger numbers. Jamming 1 ship out of 10 reduces the damage you are taking by 10%. Even with stacking nerf's adding a 3rd Invulnerablity field will do more to reduce the damage you take. There is almost always something better to fit than ECM when fighting NPC's.
|
Mara Lonitora
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 17:26:00 -
[4]
Generic ECM does work on NPCs. I was wondering about the race specific ECM modules and if they worked.
As far as the effectiveness of ECM vs. NPCs, I am very new admittedly, but, I have found that while I am outnumbered by the rats, locking down the big ships while I quickly eliminate the small rats makes a huge difference to the incoming damage. Additionally, I am often in a fleet with players doing tougher missions then my own making the value of my ECM even more. For example, it takes me over 1min to kill one of those large ships, but I can lock it down instantaneously and then go to work on the little guys. With two jammers it makes me even more effective.
With just myself and my buddy (flying a cruiser) and running his missions, I have enabled him to complete missions that he could not complete on his own simply due to my reducing the incoming damage on him enough to allow him to survive to destroy the large ships.
Maybe I haven't fought enough tough rats yet to notice how ineffective it is.
|
Joe Starbreaker
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 17:28:00 -
[5]
Electronic warfare is usually not used in missions due to the large number of rats. However, I can see it being very useful in belt ratting.
---------------- [insert signature here] |
Pang Grohl
Sudo Corp
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 21:50:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Mara Lonitora Generic ECM does work on NPCs. I was wondering about the race specific ECM modules and if they worked.
While I haven't used ECM against NPC ships, I would guess based on your experience with the multi-spectral jammers, that the racial jammers will be effective against most of them. Some NPCs are immune to all types of electronic warfare. *** Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
|
Bleeshtar
|
Posted - 2008.06.02 22:29:00 -
[7]
Whatever you do dont try benifical modules on them such as energy transfers lest you be visited by Concorde
|
Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 00:36:00 -
[8]
ECM on NPCs is pointless. I would go with a different mid-slot module that will be of some use.
______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 05:31:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka ECM on NPCs is pointless. I would go with a different mid-slot module that will be of some use.
As would I, but Joe makes a good point for low sec belt ratting. It wouldn't be very useful against rats, but if a pirate shows up, he'll be in for quite a surprise.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
|
Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 13:45:00 -
[10]
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka ECM on NPCs is pointless. I would go with a different mid-slot module that will be of some use.
As would I, but Joe makes a good point for low sec belt ratting. It wouldn't be very useful against rats, but if a pirate shows up, he'll be in for quite a surprise.
I agree, but technically now we're talking about a PvP fit that's good for ratting. Which I'd highly recommend for belt ratting in low-sec. I wouldn't go draining my cap using ECM on the rats though. If a pirate does show, then you'll want as much cap as possible.
______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
|
Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 14:09:00 -
[11]
I'm not sure that NPCs are immuned to all forms of EW.
At least for targeting, it's useless to use ECM or dampeners on them. Anyway, they lock from around 200 km even with frigates... and are in large numbers, even if you could, ECM would not help.
But, I remember using tracking disruptors on a brutix and no more being hit by serpentis BS. The question is was it really the TD that worked? As the signature malus was low and the speed was low, I would say the TD worked.
And one thing works : TP, the do increase signature of NPCs, works like a charm having dual TP on my sacrilege to kick fast mission frigates. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
Assault Frigates MK II |
Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 14:21:00 -
[12]
As to other EW, I've successfully used webs to slow NPC frigates and hit them with guns, but found that drones work much better and I can use the mid slot for something else like a cap recharger or battery. I've heard that a TP has a similar effect on NPCs.
I haven't had much success with other EW. I guess an ECM burst might break locks if you're stuck, but have never tried it on NPCs. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 14:51:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Ki Tarra on 03/06/2008 14:52:18 Using ECM sounds good, up until you really think it through.
Against belt rats:
- anything smaller than a battlecruiser can be killed quickly with the right ship: either you are using a larger ship with lots of slots and therefore lots of damage, or you are using a smaller ship and are limited on the number of slots you have to spare for ECM.
- anything larger than a cruiser will have a sensor strength high enough that you will have a hard time getting a consistant jam against them. Generally there are better uses for you slot such as web/MWD
Against missions:
- In level 1/2 missions, there are not as many rats, and they have lower sensor strength. However, they are also easier to tank and kill, and generally they are all roughly equal in strength. Again you are either flying a small ship with limited slots, best used for tank/gank, or you are flying a larger ship and the slots are better used for web/AB if not for tank/gank.
- In level 3/4 missions, there are more powerful rats, a few of which might be worth while jamming. However, the one most worth jamming are the ones with the highest sensor strength, therefore you are unlikely to get frequent jams on them. Once again you also have the fact that even if you have no more need for tank/gank modules, there are more useful utility mods such as web and afterburner.
If you have a tactic that make good use of ECM against NPC, good for you: feel free to continue using it. However, I would recommend that you double check to see if there might be a better tactic.
The best reason to fit them when belt ratting is as a PvP counter messure. If you happen to get a few jam cycles in against the rats as well, that is just an extra bonus.
|
Mara Lonitora
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:27:00 -
[14]
I have no idea why people are saying that ECM doesn't work against rats. I use it all the time and it jams them just fine. I am only running L1 missions and in the tougher ones there are often a few big guys along with the little guys.
As I said, I have done quite well locking against the big ones while I take out the little ones.
My question was about race specific ECM vs. rats and how I would know which race specific ECM to use against which rats, not whether ECM worked or not (which I know it does).
Mara
|
Lord Haur
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 20:41:00 -
[15]
I would guess as follows:
Serpentis - Gallente Guristas - Caldari Angel - Minmatar Blood/Sansha - Amarr
You can always check the sensor types of these pirate factions on their faction ships e.g. Vindicator, phantasm etc. etc.
Even so, I wouldn't use ECM against NPCs, purely for the reason that when they regain the ability to lock, they randomly aggress someone, and that could be your drones, your salvaging alt, even your buddy in the logistics ship sitting 40K away from you. This results in lots of wasted time as you attempt to get them to re-aggress the tank. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
|
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
|
Posted - 2008.06.03 21:52:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Lord Haur Serpentis - Gallente Guristas - Caldari Angel - Minmatar Blood/Sansha - Amarr
That summary is correct. For other types of rats see the link I provided in my first post.
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |