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Atlar Okoy
Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:39:00 -
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I havent been sitting in an inty, yet, but I plan to go for this class of ships. Now I wonder which one I should go for. I did a lot of "efting" and I finally came to chose between those two because the crusader lies next to my actual skills and the taranis has tremendous dps. I find it awfully hard to fit the crusader (eft) whilst it is quite easy to get the taranis to good speed and incredible dps. Though i have read that the Crusader could easily pop the taranis... Can someone plz give me advise on what roles these two could fill and how you would fit them (yes i've read the sticky but the last posts are older than my main )
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:41:00 -
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taranis go in close and DPS. it sit 20m from the target and hope to kill it before it die.
crusader orbit at 13km at full MWD speed while killing with pulse/beams... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Stuart Price
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:50:00 -
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I fly a Crusader and the only other 'ceptor I fear is the 'ranis. Flown well, it's a very tough opponent. Flown badly, it's the easiest kill there is though.
If you go with blasters, you need to pay more attention to overheating than other inty pilots as well timed boosts to web and MWD are what's going to get you kills. If you go with rails it's not quite so do-or-die, but a rail-ranis is handily outfought by a pulse-sader.
Which leads me onto my last point: If you get a crusader, for the love of god fit pulses to it! "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:56:00 -
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Crusader - anti-frig-fit: Dual Light Pulses II + Scorch S MWD (named with low rig skills, T2 with lvl III or IV), 24km scram 2x Tracking enhancers II + 2x ODs II 2x Energy Locus I (the optimal range ones, not sure of the name - about 4-4.5M each).
17+ km optimal range, over 100 dps (depends on skills). Fights comfortably out of web range and can reach pretty good speeds for its range.
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AKULA UrQuan
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.04 13:23:00 -
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Quick snip from my last PvP outing and only the first and last module activations are shown.
Quote: [ 2008.05.20 02:09:45 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Light Ion Blaster II hits ****** ******(Crow), doing 52.6 damage. [ 2008.05.20 02:09:55 ] (notify) Light Ion Blaster II deactivates as ******'s Crow begins to explode.
Granted it was a newbi crow pilot but he still had a 2km/s speed advantage on me and I did have 5x warrior IIs from his pilgrim buddy after me. The Taranis is an evil little beast but the pilot does need to be a suicide monkey to climb into one.
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Atlar Okoy
Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:57:00 -
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Thx a lot guys, I can work with that.
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Anubis Hatak
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL White Core
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:00:00 -
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I fly both but have little experience in the taranis (just got the skills). The crusader is definatly an awesome interceptor, can orbit and shoot with the MWD on whereas if you do that in the taranis you just miss 99% of the time. Both are good but the taranis requires more piloting skill than the crusader.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:29:00 -
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Taranis deals the most damage but has to get in trouble to kill stuff. A few hostile drones on you will sharply reduce your life expectancy. When you web HACs or BCs , it is a suicide tackler much like a rifter.
It is possible to help it survive longer by orbiting at 500m or below to avoid damage from guns. Heavy missiles also don't hurt much when the MWD is off. But the taranis can't tank like the ishkur - merely keep a hitpoint buffer to give you a few more seconds to kill the target.
Railranis is for wussies. Just because you have blasters , doesn't mean you have to dive in web range immediately - in gang , you can orbit your target with MWD to waste his damage until he turns his attention to someone else. Then you can blast him.
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tarin adur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:39:00 -
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Depends both on Crusader fit and Taranis fit, i fly the Taranis religiously and the only interceptor i fear(other then 5b isk,30km/s crows) are Crusaders since they might be able to gank me before i gank them,so far i have not encountered a crusader that could take my taranis solo, but the fight usually ends with me in structure(Damage Control for the win)
Overheating is a must for the taranis thought, otherwise Crusader might be able to kite you if you don't know how to manually fly a Ceptor.
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:27:00 -
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how do you manually fly a ceptor? so far all my interceptor escapades end in explosions
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Maeltstome
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Captator how do you manually fly a ceptor? so far all my interceptor escapades end in explosions
Depends who's on the offensive. If you're longer range than the other ceptor, they will chase you. *If you are faster* After not catching you, they will run away hoping you follow and get to full speed - then they off/on their mwd and spin round to shoot back into web range of you.
Manual flying would be more along the lines of using a combination of keep at range, approach and orbit, along with double cliking when you want to pull the opponent in a certain direction.
99% or ceptor pilots are 1 trick ponies anyway - you get used to seeing certain tactics. -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
tarin adur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maeltstome
Originally by: Captator how do you manually fly a ceptor? so far all my interceptor escapades end in explosions
Depends who's on the offensive. If you're longer range than the other ceptor, they will chase you. *If you are faster* After not catching you, they will run away hoping you follow and get to full speed - then they off/on their mwd and spin round to shoot back into web range of you.
Manual flying would be more along the lines of using a combination of keep at range, approach and orbit, along with double cliking when you want to pull the opponent in a certain direction.
99% or ceptor pilots are 1 trick ponies anyway - you get used to seeing certain tactics.
Yeh he described it pretty well, althought if your gonna be a good Taranis pilot, you better be part of that 1%
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Shiodome
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:07:00 -
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i'm curious, being a caldari pilot, and sick of their god-ugly ship hulls, i recently trained amarr frig V and can now fly crusader... but having previously flown crows (on the rare occasions i got into an inty), i find myself very nervous flying without a web, and can't seem to get particularly good speeds out of the thing (mainly due to cap power relay taking low slots normally used for OD/nano).
before, there's a few inties i'd happily engage in a crow, knowing that the web would give me the advantage of a few extra rounds of firing (even when counter webed, before shorter rank 'gank' inties (claw/taranis) could do anything. now with the 'not great' speed, i daren't go near most ceptors unless feeling suicidal . so why's the crusader good, what am i doin' wrong?
with speed being a big issue i'm guessing i'm fitting it wrong, but can't find a way to get around needing 2 x CPR. _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
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Luna Cii
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shiodome i'm curious, being a caldari pilot, and sick of their god-ugly ship hulls, i recently trained amarr frig V and can now fly crusader... but having previously flown crows (on the rare occasions i got into an inty), i find myself very nervous flying without a web, and can't seem to get particularly good speeds out of the thing (mainly due to cap power relay taking low slots normally used for OD/nano).
before, there's a few inties i'd happily engage in a crow, knowing that the web would give me the advantage of a few extra rounds of firing (even when counter webed, before shorter rank 'gank' inties (claw/taranis) could do anything. now with the 'not great' speed, i daren't go near most ceptors unless feeling suicidal . so why's the crusader good, what am i doin' wrong?
with speed being a big issue i'm guessing i'm fitting it wrong, but can't find a way to get around needing 2 x CPR.
With my cap skills, I get about 1.5 minutes running everything on my Crusader without any cap mods. That should be more than enough for most fights. I use either 2 ODs and 2 Nanos in the lows, or 2 ODs and 2 TEs in the lows depending on my mood. With 4 speed mods in the lows, The Crusader is one of the faster interceptors out there I think.
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Shiodome
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:25:00 -
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1.5 minutes isn't nearly enough in my experiance. number one above all things, all inties are tacklers, they intercept. and in real terms holding a target in place for 90 seconds isn't very long at all. take todays most recent gank for example... roaming around looking for 'whatever', find a drake ratting, lock it down kill it's drones and wait for the nearest dps to come finish it off. the backup (harbinger) was already docked, only had to swap ship, undock, fly 1 jump, warp to me... much much longer than 90 seconds.
i'd like to be able to hold my own inty vs inty, but that's not really the primary role, still frequently need to be able to 'intercept' and hold ships long enough for the bigger boys to finish the job.
(drake pilot ejected for some reason btw, which was awesome, needed a new HAM drake ) _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
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Luna Cii
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:13:00 -
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Ah, I thought your primary concern was inty vs inty fights. One of those is usually over pretty quick. If I trade out 1 nano for a CPR, I can permarun my MWD and scrammer, I just cant shoot. But its not like you would do much to a drake in an inty anyway.
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