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TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:19:00 - [1] Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:19:00 - [2] Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:20:00 - [3] Originally by: TZeer Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/ Well, we can only hope.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:20:00 - [4] Originally by: TZeer Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/ Well, we can only hope.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:59:00 - [5] yup, that's the point of it
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:12:00 - [6] Sweet! Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:12:00 - [7] Let me be the first to laugh out loud. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:19:00 - [8] WOOT! Bring on war target fights!
Tai Paktu Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:28:00 - [9] el oh el ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:29:00 - [10] Waiting for the first "But...but... CCP approved it!" CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:43:00 - [11] Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success.
Amarrian Cougar TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:49:00 - [12] Patiently awaits the next tool, Codename: PORKCHOP.*
Lord Evangelian The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:59:00 - [13] um what is bacon? -------------------- The White Mantle
The Herrick SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:01:00 - [14] Edited by: The Herrick on 06/06/2008 23:01:47 Originally by: Lord Evangelian um what is bacon? 3rd party program tells you what's happening in local via audio alerts. ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
Lord Evangelian The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:03:00 - [15] ...what on earth?....why is that useful... -------------------- The White Mantle
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord Evangelian ...what on earth?....why is that useful... People can use the program to give them audio signal whenever a hostile enters local. Some macroers also use it to trigger "warp to SS cloak" thingy.
Lord Evangelian The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:11:00 - [17] Originally by: TZeer Originally by: Lord Evangelian ...what on earth?....why is that useful... People can use the program to give them audio signal whenever a hostile enters local. Some macroers also use it to trigger "warp to SS cloak" thingy. What crazy caldari scientis came up with that hideous thing...and why did CCP let them...I love the way that every patch this gamne befores more and more secure... -------------------- The White Mantle
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:39:00 - [18] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/06/2008 23:43:36 Oh, it was about time to get it fixed. Now, the next thing you CCP need to fix, IS THE DAMN FORUM. Oh had to press the Edit button 4-5 times to be able to edit the damn reply. Oh btw, Lord Evangelian, i'll guess you haven't seen my 10 pages long topic about the BACON thing?. The topic was locked some weeks ago though. But you could see why things like BACON is BAD, BAAAAAAAAD for the game there.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:03:00 - [19] Originally by: TZeer Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? Ya think? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Intigo Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. ___________________ A-WAR, much love. <3
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:30:00 - [21] They should have thrown in a week of ban hammer to users of BACON imo. Make is so the next time a program is made, people will be not so eager to use it without consequences. Originally by: CCP Casqade Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:36:00 - [22] woot the cloaker freeks covert op class and recons dudies can now sneak again =) to lazy unintautive lazy ratting peoples
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:40:00 - [23] Edited by: Faife on 07/06/2008 00:44:04 Originally by: Amarrian Cougar Patiently awaits the next tool, Codename: PORKCHOP.* the one i wrote is called DEADPORK :) totally EULA legal. i would never use my programming powers for evil.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Vaal Erit They should have thrown in a week of ban hammer to users of BACON imo. Make is so the next time a program is made, people will be not so eager to use it without consequences. i'm dying to know how you're going to check for a localside, read-only app.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.06.07 00:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. /signed and seconded and bolded for emphasis. It's so safe to play along, little soldiers in a row Falling in and out of love, with something sweet to throw away. I want something good to DIE for...to make it beautiful to live.
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.07 01:57:00 - [26] bah...I can't run around 0.0 causeing mass panic in a shuttle.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.07 01:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Vaal Erit They should have thrown in a week of ban hammer to users of BACON imo. Make is so the next time a program is made, people will be not so eager to use it without consequences. i'm dying to know how you're going to check for a localside, read-only app. I dunno I'm no programmer, I figure there is a sneaky way to do pretty much anything if you really want to though. Originally by: CCP Casqade Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2008.06.07 02:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Malcanis Waiting for the first "But...but... CCP approved it!" Well I don't see CCP telling anyone that they aren't allowed to use it. So it still is an 'approved' program. And lets be honest here, I don't see any way for CCP to prevent people running whatever programs they want on their own computers. Any method they try to use to detect a program will just be bypassed, along with risks of it throwing false positives. Much easier to just allow the program while you work out ways to disable it.
Namurung	Posted - 2008.06.07 02:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Faife Originally by: Vaal Erit They should have thrown in a week of ban hammer to users of BACON imo. Make is so the next time a program is made, people will be not so eager to use it without consequences. i'm dying to know how you're going to check for a localside, read-only app. I dunno I'm no programmer, I figure there is a sneaky way to do pretty much anything if you really want to though. encrypted eve logs which gain a new public key every time you start the Eve app?
Lithyia Theia	Posted - 2008.06.07 02:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. Bob using it?? tss, why should they when they got perfectly good intell anyway. they have always been anti third party software, whit the exeption of teamspeak and IRC.
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.07 04:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. --
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.06.07 08:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Draygo Korvan Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. \\ Probably because they'd never be able to get a word in edgewise on their voice comms for all the beeps and tones and warbles wherever they happen to be.
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.06.07 09:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Draygo Korvan Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. True, but do you deny that Goons have one that reports movements into and out of a system to a central server?
Iteken Hotori Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.07 09:47:00 - [34] Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 07/06/2008 09:48:38 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Apoctasy CCP DID SOMETHING RIGHT AGAIN Fix't. C C C C C Seriously, this is great news I'm fullye xpecting this to be one of the best / patches ever - Factional warfare will be teh win, lots of ui fixes ppl have *****ed about for months, now this. Epic
Noelle Fay RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2008.06.07 09:48:00 - [35] hehe ... in b4 "HOW DARE YOU CCP NOW WE CAN'T WATCH TV AND MAKE MONEY!" -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.07 09:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Noelle Fay hehe ... in b4 "HOW DARE YOU CCP NOW WE CAN'T WATCH TV AND MAKE MONEY!" Just do highsec missions. :)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.07 10:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Draygo Korvan Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. True, but do you deny that Goons have one that reports movements into and out of a system to a central server? They would have been stupid to not do this something ccp can't easily detect, and not against the eula. not that I am saying its a good thing.
Gone'Postal Scoopex The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.06.07 10:14:00 - [38] About time CCP \0/ /me awaits the BACON fanboys emoragequittingthreads. Questions, Comments, Problems, Please address them to the CSM.. Now CCP Never have to visit the forum. -V8I-
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2008.06.07 10:43:00 - [39] mmmmm bacon and egg ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.06.07 11:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Draygo Korvan Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. (...)Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. BULLLLLLLLLS********************** !!!!!! _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.07 11:50:00 - [41] nice one CCP ...
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.06.07 11:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Draygo Korvan Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2008.06.07 12:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Muscaat Originally by: Draygo Korvan Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg pwn'd
Vincent S Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.07 12:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Muscaat Originally by: Draygo Korvan Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg That's not a troll or anything, good going not falling for it
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.06.07 12:43:00 - [45] So, clear as mud as always. Certain 3rd party tools are ok. Some are not. --- Did I upset the wrong alliance with this post? Please don't ban me when it's your shift to control the Mitnal account.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.07 13:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Fifth Horseman So, clear as mud as always. Certain 3rd party tools are ok. Some are not. 3rd party tools based on the API Key system are fine. Everything else (like, you know, apps that read output from logserver.exe for a real-time intel reporting tool) isn't. Pretty clear to me - API good, everything else bad. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.06.07 15:36:00 - [47] Cheers to CCP for fixing this. Cheers to the Bacon team--whatever their intentions--for their part in publicizing what had been a quiet issue and getting this fixed. Cheers to everybody who got angry about it and made their feelings public, making it something that had to get fixed. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Durzel	Posted - 2008.06.07 16:01:00 - [48] Edited by: Durzel on 07/06/2008 16:02:18 Originally by: Draygo Korvan Originally by: Intigo Originally by: Vim Bacon being brought into the light forced ccp into taking action against it. YSSj for 'exploiters' that built their own 'bacons' and kept it secret except to corp/alliances. I salute the BACON project as a success. This is the most competent thing I've seen a RK member write. BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. Cant answer for bob, but Goons do not have a program that makes an audible sound when someone enters local, especially based on standing. So Beetracker is a myth then? (ImageShack link above was dead for me)
trite boon Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.06.07 16:02:00 - [49] thanks ccp
Ellmar Old Dominion Engineering Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.06.07 16:13:00 - [50] with bacon without bacon thanks for ya time
Dravius Luxor Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.07 16:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Vaal Erit They should have thrown in a week of ban hammer to users of BACON imo. Make is so the next time a program is made, people will be not so eager to use it without consequences. Indeed. I agree.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2008.06.07 16:18:00 - [52] What is going to happen to hydra now
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.07 17:41:00 - [53] that says client logs it mentions nothing of the logs that Bacon uses, which happen not to be the oens from the client so I laugh at you, bacon whiners! your premature celebration is delicious Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2008.06.07 17:42:00 - [54] Do you guys honestly believe that this will be the end of it? Less than 2 Weeks after the patch, I will bet Bacon will be redeployed using a different form of interface to capture the data. This is of course assuming that they haven't already updated it to get around the fix.... "Your living in a dreamworld Neo"
RedLion Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.07 18:03:00 - [55] I am in doubt if this affects bacon at all. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Reuser Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.07 22:34:00 - [56] Gunfleet considers this a win. One of our key goals was always to bring this issue to light. That being said, as I have said in the past, Gunfleet has de-emphasized BACON dev to strictly bug fixes, and those will shortly cease to become relevant. We're working on some TS/BB/KB/API integration, and some other partnerships. Fly safe!
Alex Under 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.06.08 08:05:00 - [57] Originally by: TZeer Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/ I certainly hope so... ___________________________________________________
InSession Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.06.08 08:47:00 - [58] Thank you very much CCP
Drachma Golea hunter killers	Posted - 2008.06.08 10:43:00 - [59] LOL, someone will utilize the memory on your pc, which just reads the same action and turn it into the same functionality as bacon does. Unless CCP forbid your cpu to read the data that is stored on your drive, forbid your memory to be filled with data provided by the controller of your drive and the instructions send to the GPU and memory on that card is not allowed to store that data, let alone be send to your screen, since the OS is a third party application. called an OS started up by your bios. But then again, we get the picture... Yarrr No more automated intel, bacon is baconized and become vaporware...
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.08 12:14:00 - [60] Originally by: TZeer Saw this in the patchnotes: Quote: Several improvements have been made to logging, both server and client side in order to provide a safer playing experience and a better development environment. 3rd party tools that utilize the client logs will no longer provide useful out-of-game intel. This change will not affect 3rd party programs who use the EVE API (EVEMon, EFT etc) Will this affect bacon? If so.. Yeay!! \o/ i hope so... those who are against this.... **** YOU (yes dont care if i get a warning) ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Drachma Golea hunter killers	Posted - 2008.06.08 13:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Riho you are fail log server hooks to eve client and reads data between ur client and eve server... log server doesnt work whitout eve client. You are fail EVE runs on third party application (Microsoft/Linux/Mac) EVE doesnt work without third party application
Zulu Six State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.08 13:52:00 - [62] Originally by: Drachma Golea Originally by: Riho you are fail log server hooks to eve client and reads data between ur client and eve server... log server doesnt work whitout eve client. You are fail EVE runs on third party application (Microsoft/Linux/Mac) EVE doesnt work without third party application ...OS != app... I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.08 14:14:00 - [63] Is it safe to assume that all posting against the use of bacon here feel just the same about afk cloaking in 0.0? . Can I expect to see your support when I start my "afk cloaking is cheating!!1" thread?
Vagablonde Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.06.08 14:20:00 - [64] toally dood ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Oakrayven Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.08 14:57:00 - [65] from what I saw of the Sisi client its still posible to get the information. After all the client still updates the "whos in local chat" list all the time. So unless they intend to encrypt that information or make it so that it only updates when someone actualy talks then someone will be able to code a alarm. *** ** Trust Aura. Aura is Your Friend. If your too paranoid to play EVE. . . Then your not paranoid ENOUGH to play EVE
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.08 15:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Drachma Golea Originally by: Riho you are fail log server hooks to eve client and reads data between ur client and eve server... log server doesnt work whitout eve client. You are fail EVE runs on third party application (Microsoft/Linux/Mac) EVE doesnt work without third party application since when is OS concidered a 3rd party ap.. its OS :) and yes.. i could figure out af ew ways to get the same data out of eve... like someone said before. ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Cori4n principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.08 16:40:00 - [67] Edited by: Cori4n on 08/06/2008 16:40:54 Yes, this change blocks BACON, because ScatterEvent no longer provides arguments. Other methods of getting the same information whilst violating the EULA are, of course, unaffected.
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.08 17:21:00 - [68] BoB, Goons & whatnot had been using stuff like this for ages, BACON was the reason all of them are now nerfed. Can only be thankful of the creators for that. I keep bacon and headshot macro on my quick launch taskbar.
FireFoxx80 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.08 17:28:00 - [69] Hopefully CCP will also obsfucate the cache folder, as it doesn't take a genius to pont there intead of logserver (cache stores its files in binary versions of the logserver). What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.08 17:57:00 - [70] I suspect that there will be a workaround for this soon. I hate BACON, and you know that the big alliances like BOB, etc were probably using stuff like this for ages. Nothing sucks more than trying to run down a farmer in your space and be unable to do a damn thing about it because of "beep" CTRL+Q
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.08 17:59:00 - [71] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hopefully CCP will also obsfucate the cache folder, as it doesn't take a genius to pont there intead of logserver (cache stores its files in binary versions of the logserver). Someone determined to have an app like this can always manage, so long as local exists and is passed to the client machine. Programs can even recognize when part of the screen changes by watching that particular spot by tapping into what the video card is sending.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.06.09 08:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Fifth Horseman So, clear as mud as always. Certain 3rd party tools are ok. Some are not. 3rd party tools based on the API Key system are fine. Everything else (like, you know, apps that read output from logserver.exe for a real-time intel reporting tool) isn't. Pretty clear to me - API good, everything else bad. Until the next keylogger warning. --- Did I upset the wrong alliance with this post? Please don't ban me when it's your shift to control the Mitnal account.
Red Flag	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:06:00 - [73] Awesome! Now if only CCP will get rid of local altogether! Red Flag Poet, Prophet, Pirate
The Wounded Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Red Flag Awesome! Now if only CCP will get rid of local altogether! Lets hope not
Tenacha Khan Muchacho's	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:07:00 - [75] If it continues to be an issue, then ccp should do what bizzard did and ban the use of 3rd party applications that interact with their client. Would remove macros too.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:12:00 - [76] Makes me happy to see it's gone. (And flying through 0.0 I notice a lot more ships that haven't made it to POS's or cloaked now) Sooooo \/ ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:23:00 - [77] As I understand it. The legal method of gaining simple intel is now gone. All that remains is the illegal methods of getting MORE infomation. :D Win/Fail? You decide.

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