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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus who didn't see this coming.
See what?, bitter whiners not getting what they want and so looking for a witch to burn cos they cannot deal with their own in game inadequates and incompetence.
Yup id say anybody with a brain saw this coming a mile off although i am sure CCP are very happy the cry-babies now have somebody else to blame and pester. |
Valrandir
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:01:00 -
[92]
No
Let Jade do his job.
A complete democracy with no one in power, using said power to keep the csm in order, will fail to accomplish anything then a comedy circus. I'm sure some would like it to fail this way.
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:06:00 -
[93]
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Dramaticus who didn't see this coming.
See what?, bitter whiners not getting what they want and so looking for a witch to burn cos they cannot deal with their own in game inadequates and incompetence.
Yup id say anybody with a brain saw this coming a mile off although i am sure CCP are very happy the cry-babies now have somebody else to blame and pester.
I had a pretty decent reply but "bitter whiner not getting what they wants and so looking for a witch to burn cos they cannot deal with their own in game inadequates and incompetence" pretty much describes Jade perfectly. Except for the bad grammer of it all. |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Dramaticus who didn't see this coming.
See what?, bitter whiners not getting what they want and so looking for a witch to burn cos they cannot deal with their own in game inadequates and incompetence.
Yup id say anybody with a brain saw this coming a mile off although i am sure CCP are very happy the cry-babies now have somebody else to blame and pester.
I had a pretty decent reply but "bitter whiner not getting what they wants and so looking for a witch to burn cos they cannot deal with their own in game inadequates and incompetence" pretty much describes Jade perfectly. Except for the bad grammer of it all.
Actually i was referring to you and the other drama queens on here spouting your crap, but i am more than happy to include jade and the rest of the useless CSM clowns as well. |
J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:20:00 -
[95]
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
teji
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:21:00 -
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Quote: Let Jade do his job.
What is his job? To boot and mute anyone who doesn't agree with him? To make the other council members lives a living hell? To claim powers that he has no right to? If that's his job then sure he does it quite well.
Why even have anyone else on the council if you want it to be a dictatorship?
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E'Lairun Duor'Leik
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir No
Let Jade do his job.
A complete democracy with no one in power, using said power to keep the csm in order, will fail to accomplish anything then a comedy circus. I'm sure some would like it to fail this way.
You completely missed the point of this and several other entire threads. If Jade were acting like a moderator and not a tyrant (read Robert's Rules of Order if you need to have what that means defined), we wouldn't be having this discussion. Jade has taken every opportunity to usurp power and control for himself, up to and including silencing people with dissenting opinions who are just as passionate about their job as CSM as him.
He's got a Christ complex and he's working himself up to be the Martyr. I'm happy to give him that status if it means he's out of the Chairman's position. You could put anyone else in that position and I'd be fine with it. The rest of the CSMs have displayed at least a passing respect for what 'council of equals' means.
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Xrethan
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:51:00 -
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Qaedienne Innana has acted even less professionally since the meeting, and is now making wild accusations on these boards
Whilst you are certainly welcome to your opinions (and if everyone thought exactly the same the world of EVE or 'real life' would be very boring) please point me at any evidence for these claims. "wild accusations"? hardly ...
IZ
ps. I do not presently support the removal of Jade from the position of Chair of the CSM. Obviously, being a rational human being, this opinion is subject to change in the light of future events.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni I do not presently support the removal of Jade from the position of Chair of the CSM. Obviously, being a rational human being, this opinion is subject to change in the light of future events.
I think most people respect that. If you did support our position it could easily be spun by Jade's flunkies to make you look petty. You're an intelligent person so I'm sure you already know that, though.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 10/06/2008 23:46:06 Edited by: Sir Ibex on 10/06/2008 23:45:42
Originally by: Anton Marvik If Jade cannot accept responsibility for his actions, let alone realize why they were wrong in the first place, she is not a sound Chairperson. Period.
QFT ;)
So is Jade a "he" or a "she"? Decide please. ;)
I knew this crap was going to happen. And I bet it's going to happen again and again, even if someone new is elected. I wish there was a way to do psychological screening before electing candidates. I say we give Jade a chance to "get his/her s*it together..." Sort to speak. People make mistakes, and sometimes they need to learn how to handle themselves in a new role. Let's just see how it plays out. I'll always have a chance to give my thumbs up later, if nothing will change.
PS: Teh goons need to "hush". Seriously. The way people conduct themselves in a game often shows what kind of people they are in RL. At least to a certain level. To be complaining about someone else's conduct, you must 1st show "good" conduct yourself. (just my two cents)
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:47:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Sir Ibex So is Jade a "he" or a "she"? Decide please.
I refuse to take the responsibility of making such a decision.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex Edited by: Sir Ibex on 10/06/2008 23:46:06 Edited by: Sir Ibex on 10/06/2008 23:45:42
Originally by: Anton Marvik If Jade cannot accept responsibility for his actions, let alone realize why they were wrong in the first place, she is not a sound Chairperson. Period.
QFT ;)
So is Jade a "he" or a "she"? Decide please. ;)
I knew this crap was going to happen. And I bet it's going to happen again and again, even if someone new is elected. I wish there was a way to do psychological screening before electing candidates. I say we give Jade a chance to "get his/her s*it together..." Sort to speak. People make mistakes, and sometimes they need to learn how to handle themselves in a new role. Let's just see how it plays out. I'll always have a chance to give my thumbs up later, if nothing will change.
PS: Teh goons need to "hush". Seriously. The way people conduct themselves in a game often shows what kind of people they are in RL. At least to a certain level. To be complaining about someone else's conduct, you must 1st show "good" conduct yourself. (just my two cents)
So when a person is throwing around their power and abusing you just roll over like a good little slave and take it? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:50:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Sir Ibex I knew this crap was going to happen. And I bet it's going to happen again and again, even if someone new is elected. I wish there was a way to do psychological screening before electing candidates. I say we give Jade a chance to "get his/her s*it together..." Sort to speak. People make mistakes, and sometimes they need to learn how to handle themselves in a new role. Let's just see how it plays out. I'll always have a chance to give my thumbs up later, if nothing will change.
Don't worry about me, my desktop PC runs on goon tears
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Marvik on 10/06/2008 23:55:08
Originally by: Jade Constantine I find collectivist activity very yawn-inspiring at the best of times.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Where things have gone wrong have been where I've made the mistake of allowing this council a little too much democracy
Its all downhill from here, I'm afraid. Hence my proposal to nip the JC problem in the bud.
Jade is also trying to assert Veto power, which the Chair clearly doesn't have. |
Anthony Pants
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex PS: Teh goons need to "hush". Seriously. The way people conduct themselves in a game often shows what kind of people they are in RL. At least to a certain level. To be complaining about someone else's conduct, you must 1st show "good" conduct yourself. (just my two cents)
So you want to mute people who don't disagree with you, too.
I don't get why everyone thinks we're terrible people just because of our in-game reputation. Why are we powerful enough to get two individuals onto the CSM? Why do we control so much space? What makes us so much worse than the other griefers? I'll take your stereotyping into account and reiterate what you had to say: "To be complaining about someone else's conduct, you must 1st show 'good' conduct yourself." |
Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Sir Ibex I knew this crap was going to happen. And I bet it's going to happen again and again, even if someone new is elected. I wish there was a way to do psychological screening before electing candidates. I say we give Jade a chance to "get his/her s*it together..." Sort to speak. People make mistakes, and sometimes they need to learn how to handle themselves in a new role. Let's just see how it plays out. I'll always have a chance to give my thumbs up later, if nothing will change.
Don't worry about me, my desktop PC runs on goon tears
You can't edit wall of text to all your posts in a fit of rage here like you did on F13's site a few weeks ago Jade. |
Annaliese Witschak
Galgorth's Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:57:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Don't worry about me, my desktop PC runs on goon tears
Click on this link to go back to Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions. |
Courthouse
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:58:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Don't worry about me, my desktop PC runs on goon tears
Our boards run on androgenous palpatine-wannabe angst. Guess what we've had more of in the last 72 hours. |
Gorfob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:01:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Courthouse
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Don't worry about me, my desktop PC runs on goon tears
Our boards run on androgenous palpatine-wannabe angst. Guess what we've had more of in the last 72 hours.
I was going more along the lines of whiny 39 year old man child. |
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nikhan
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:03:00 -
[111]
Edited by: nikhan on 11/06/2008 00:04:09 Fail forum is fail |
Theramin Dogon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Anton Marvik Edited by: Anton Marvik on 10/06/2008 23:55:08
Originally by: Jade Constantine I find collectivist activity very yawn-inspiring at the best of times.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Where things have gone wrong have been where I've made the mistake of allowing this council a little too much democracy
Its all downhill from here, I'm afraid. Hence my proposal to nip the JC problem in the bud.
Jade is also trying to assert Veto power, which the Chair clearly doesn't have.
Where did you come across these quotes?
Originally by: Pnuka You can't edit wall of text to all your posts in a fit of rage here like you did on F13's site a few weeks ago Jade.
I don't think that was him, I think the admins were fed up with his rhetoric. |
Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:07:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Theramin Dogon Where did you come across these quotes?
What kind of forum***** are you? Pfft.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=9
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Theramin Dogon I don't think that was him, I think the admins were fed up with his rhetoric.
The name-change was Schild, the multiple WALL OF TEXT edits temper tantrum and fleeing from the site was all Jade.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |
Bhodii
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:47:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Nevada Tan
The name-change was Schild, the multiple WALL OF TEXT edits temper tantrum and fleeing from the site was all Jade.
This is true. You can tell based on the edit times; he went back and edited every single one of his 50 posts.
Psycho.
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Qaedienne
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni Whilst you are certainly welcome to your opinions (and if everyone thought exactly the same the world of EVE or 'real life' would be very boring) please point me at any evidence for these claims. "wild accusations"? hardly ...
IZ
ps. I do not presently support the removal of Jade from the position of Chair of the CSM. Obviously, being a rational human being, this opinion is subject to change in the light of future events.
Here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=788122
Quote: I noted during the meeting that Jade was editorialising positions and not being a neutral Chair (indeed arguably *the* function of being the chair of a committee). In my opinion it went downhill from there.
Quote: I don't know where this might have been "established" but the meeting last night was the *first* time anyone used this mechanism ([ 2008.06.08 18:22:13 ] Serenity Steele > !) which was without explanation. Maybe a back channel somewhere without all members present?
Quote: This all followed your *refusal* to accept validly cast votes from myself and Dierdra:
Quote: and when I tried to actually respond you kept interrupting until
Quote: Then lets look at voting; instead of noting whether everyone has voted and waiting until they have you pre-empt things.
Quote: and after more discussion wherein those who understand that 'abstain' is a perfectly rational and acceptable position to take argued with those who, seemingly, do not, Jade typed
Quote: As a point of principle, I always support the Chair of any body on which I serve, whether I am that Chair or 'just' a member. But a Chair has to show that they have the capability and capacity to undertake that task responsibly and to do it properly. That requires their being independent of the subject under discussion (passing the chair to someone else for a moment should they wish to talk on the subject) so that they can remain even-handed. My view was that the editorialising, returning to subjects, and general bullying of myself suggests that there are issues in the present incarnation of the CSM. One cannot demand trust, one has to earn it.
Quote: which, by no stretch of an imagination, is a call to a vote when the members present *had already voted*. It is, however, an example of bullying to try and get the result you wanted.
Quote: And *again* you are being disrespectful to council members. An 'abstain' (which is, as I have noted, the vote I cast) *is* a meaningful vote, and that you choose to editorialise the decision I (and others on this and other motions) chose to make sadly shows you do not understand so seek to cast aspersions.
Quote: Clearly this thread has gone on long enough and others have made the points that needed to be made. That you are not answering the questions asked of you is ... a pity ... and that you seeking to place the blame elsewhere, just sad.
Quote: And ... yet again, you are attempting (and failing) to obfuscate the point here.
Quote: and, not surprisingly, I didn't bend to this attempt to run roughshod over the decision that the CSM had just made, resulting in
Quote: As I said, editorialising decisions to make them appear different to how they were presented and decided upon.
Quote: which, while not exactly as per Darius do demonstrate that you were editorialising the decision in your own way rather than be a neutral Chair reporting the decision of the vote just completed.
Based on your responses quoted above, along with the accusations you made during the meeting, I'd ask you to stop making trouble in and about the CSM or resign your position.
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Theramin Dogon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Anton Marvik
Originally by: Theramin Dogon Where did you come across these quotes?
What kind of forum***** are you? Pfft.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=9
Oh hey, and they're both in a reply to a post of mine :downs: |
Qlanth
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:37:00 -
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he said he would step down if he was elected anyhow. I say eh actually let it be put to a vote.
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The MapMaker
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Qaedienne
Based on your responses quoted above, along with the accusations you made during the meeting, I'd ask you to stop making trouble in and about the CSM or resign your position.
You're telling a CSM representative to resign because they were unfairly muted and went on to talk about it? I think you've forgotten to put your Star Fraction ticker on there buddy.
Inanna's reaction to the whole thing has been fairly tame, enough to oppose Jade's bullying around votes but calm enough not to fan the fires of controversy.
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Selim Delavar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:53:00 -
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