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Satura
Utterly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:36:00 -
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Caldari better at pvp? Depends...if you call "winning" the guy who jamms the opposition or the one who kills them. :)
I love gallente for their heavy hitters.I always love to see in a video game big numbers. I think gallente have good ships in all fields. They have good solo ships, good fleet ships, and good pve ships. What more can you ask tbh?
Didn't train amarr so far, and i wouldn't train for anything else than Curse, so no idea, but i know they are very good when used right.
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NateX
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:34:00 -
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been away for a while, when was gallente nerfed??
R0ADKILL-killboard | Give the tempest 7 turret slots! |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: NateX been away for a while, when was gallente nerfed??
It wasn't. Well, apart from damps.
Apparantly that makes it the end of the world. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus It wasn't. Well, apart from damps.
Apparantly that makes it the end of the world.
Drone nerf, Myrm nerf, etc. There were a few more.
-Liang |
Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: James Lyrus It wasn't. Well, apart from damps.
Apparantly that makes it the end of the world.
Drone nerf, Myrm nerf, etc. There were a few more.
-Liang
List of Gallente nerfs:
- Drone shield recharge nerf - Drone bandwidth nerf on Myrmi and EOS - Turrets nerf on the EOS - HP increase on ships, which afect mostly the heavy damage short range race - Dampeners Nerf (without correcting the Recons properly) - Dampeners rigs nerf - Rigs introduced. Defensive Rigs being clearly imbalanced in relation to offensive ones, again - EM armor resistence and explosive shield resistence lowered. (this one was a nerf to hybrids specifically as their damage was unaffected while both explosive and EM damages were improved)
Gallente always exceled in small skirmishes, be it solo or in very small gang sizes. There is a gang size threshould above which gallente ships start to lose performance to minmatar ships due to their bigger falloff and another threshold where both start to lose to Caldari and Amarr ships which have much better ranges and focus fire capabilities.
Formerly this threashold was at a much higher number of ships than it is today with all the tank improvements added into the game. |
Taguchi Hiroko
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 11/06/2008 00:06:54 The only really worthwhile Gallente PvP ships at the moment are Megathron, and Ishtar. Domi is nice but not even close to how it used to be.
The jokes are, Eris, Arazu, Lachesis, and close range "blaster boats" especially the Deimos. Seriously, a Beagle can get similar dps with better range and tank. wtf is the point. And like I said, myrm has the same dps as a Vexor. Rest is history.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
*Ships presented in bold lettering are a popular choice among their class
Pilgrim in bold!? Sorry, stopped reading after that.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:31:00 -
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your friend is an idiot.
Its always been Gallente and one of the three other races for pvp. The consistancy and reliability of Gallente for pvp is always a solid investment. That is not to say that Amarr suck, its just saying that there is no 'best' in eve. . .except maby Caldari. . .they do suck. ----
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Amastat
*Ships presented in bold lettering are a popular choice among their class
Pilgrim in bold!? Sorry, stopped reading after that.
Welcome back Lyria. How's it feel to have your race on top of the world?
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Its always been Gallente and one of the three other races for pvp. The consistancy and reliability of Gallente for pvp is always a solid investment. That is not to say that Amarr suck, its just saying that there is no 'best' in eve. . .except maby Caldari. . .they do suck.
Welcome to today. Nowadays the current top two PvP and PvE races are Caldari and Amarr, then a large gap, then Gallente and Minmatar.
The meme of Amarr and Caldari sucking is strong, but it is no longer based on any facts. |
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Unreal5
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:51:00 -
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Yes they suck |
Tsu'ko
Valley Forge Wrath.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tsu''ko on 11/06/2008 07:54:28
Originally by: Liang Nuren ...
Amarr isn't overpowered, amarr is balanced, inline with gallente, minmatar.
I do wish for damp boost and Caldari boost perhaps and maybe.. just maybe a boost to tracking computers ( enhancers etc) to effect falloff but at a less rate than optimal or something? but then amarr BS should get like 2k more PG each and like +20 cpu +more cap.. :P |
Fetchme
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:20:00 -
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Pvp is mainly situational in my humble opinion, you can have the best officier fitted battle ship, but can be locked down by a blackbird.
All races have there strong and weak side's. |
nakKEDK
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:55:00 -
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overall yes imo. maybe they have some nice ships like nano ishtar vexor, megathron, but gallente has no real defence against nanoships at all, only bs with neuts. ecm drones is also good for fleeing. but all other races have the same defences. and dont tell me to use arazu, i tried it! i rather have curse falcon or rapier.
Gallente is good on paper, high dps guns + drones, but in larger gangs in pretty crap, when you ogre takes so long to approach target, so he pop before they even reach him. You also have to mwd to 1-10 km at each target (for full damage). while amarr and caldari can just sit and shoot, yes not so much dps, but the extra range is worth alot more than dps. maybe minmatar work in falloff, and they dont do alot of dps, when shooting at long range, but they can at least hit and have a chance of hitting nanoships.
its early so please laugh of my spelling, if you wish so..
flame on :) i can take it
k
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Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:55:00 -
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Gallente dont suck they are just inline or a little bellow amarr and minmatar, caldari overall suck at pvp but rokh and a few others are top of their class
Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:07:00 -
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gallente dont suck... even tho i have most SP in gallente ships i cba to fly them :P
i fly amarr, minmatar most of the time and raven as BS in pvp :P
no one race sucks atm... if you have ok skills any race is good in pvp or pve |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:09:00 -
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I like the gallente. Get pwned by a blastranis and indeed gallente doesn't suck. |
nakKEDK
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: Amezyarak Yup.
Megathron. One of the top BSs in the game. Easily. Dominix. Wicked tank + heavy drones. Ishtar. Dedicated drone-carrier, second to none. Heavies, anyone? Vexor. Mean cruiser, through and through. Most players love the Vex. Kronos. Nothing more needs to be said. Nyx. Coolest looking carrier, at least. The list goes on . . .
If anything, drones are *potentially* a huge advantage. Just exploit it. Bonuses to hybrids including blasters - the top damage dealer in the game. Bonuses to drones, too.
Yeah, Gallente suck.
Yea, the list does go on:
Taranis. A crazy strong little suicidal blaster inti. Incursus. The Taranis's little brother. Thorax. One of the only two T1 cruisers that I am terrified of in 1v1 fights (that and the Rupture). How is it fair that a ship with this much firepower is also given the ability to fit 5x medium ECM drones? Myrmidon. Awesome looking ship, can be tanked in a variety of very effective ways. Ishkur. Probably one of the most effective and versatile assault frigates in the game
Rifter beats incursus merlin and tristan can be fitted awesome too.
Thorax is on plan with rupture.
myrm is outpeformed by all others (speed range Not pure dps and tank.)
Taranis is good kamikaze ship, but its not particular better than crow malediction crusader-anticeptor.
Nyx i rather have aeon (tank means all)
Mega/domi- phoon over 900 dps and 150k ehp, geddon/abaddon 1100 dps with greater range, scorpion great RR gang bs, raven 1000 dps torps (prolly not on level with the other but still good dps)
Ishtar is also great with heavy drones, but sacriledge is just as good and permaruns, and doesnt have to wait for heavy drones to actually arrive at target. vagabond can do 350-400 dps orbitting at 23 km with 6km/s and can kill other nanoships. Also cerb is great anti nano, |
Kano Sekor
modro CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:15:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious |
nakKEDK
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus Gallente dont suck they are just inline or a little bellow amarr and minmatar, caldari overall suck at pvp but rokh and a few others are top of their class
caracal can do more than ppl expect :) |
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deadmeet
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:57:00 -
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Your friend are joking with you.
Gallente is one (THE) best race of that game. They was totally overpowered some month (years) ago and CCP nerf them a little to make them more in line with others race.
But even with that nerf, they still are very good in PVP for all circunstance, and their drone boat make them the most versatile race (who said minmatar was versatile ? lol, drone boat overpawn others ship for versatility).
So fly gallente and don't whine ^^
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El Torrent
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:10:00 -
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The problem with Gallente is, that EvE around them did change a bit to much (General speed of engagements, and therefor range), and the low range of their intended main weapons, is a huge drawback, in nowadays engagements. What does your nice DPS help you, if you can never apply it? (Yes, I do know, rails but thats not a speciality of Gallente)
Now, yes, we have drones. Heavies are to slow, mediums lack the punch, and not that fast ether. Sentries agre great, but need to pick them up all the time as the battlefield moves.
Solution? Cross train to minmatar, and field a fleet of minmatar recons. --
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gavhriel
Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:20:00 -
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They also kiss, and hug, and cuddle :) |
nakKEDK
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: El Torrent The problem with Gallente is, that EvE around them did change a bit to much (General speed of engagements, and therefor range), and the low range of their intended main weapons, is a huge drawback, in nowadays engagements. What does your nice DPS help you, if you can never apply it? (Yes, I do know, rails but thats not a speciality of Gallente)
Now, yes, we have drones. Heavies are to slow, mediums lack the punch, and not that fast ether. Sentries agre great, but need to pick them up all the time as the battlefield moves.
Solution? Cross train to minmatar, and field a fleet of minmatar recons.
qft |
Keta Min
LEGI0N F.E.A.R Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: nakKEDK vagabond can do 350-400 dps orbitting at 23 km with 6km/s and can kill other nanoships. Also cerb is great anti nano,
i loled |
Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: El Torrent The problem with Gallente is, that EvE around them did change a bit to much (General speed of engagements, and therefor range), and the low range of their intended main weapons, is a huge drawback, in nowadays engagements. What does your nice DPS help you, if you can never apply it? (Yes, I do know, rails but thats not a speciality of Gallente)
Now, yes, we have drones. Heavies are to slow, mediums lack the punch, and not that fast ether. Sentries agre great, but need to pick them up all the time as the battlefield moves.
Solution? Cross train to minmatar, and field a fleet of minmatar recons.
qft.
Still gallente are not ruined. Their PVE line is good and always will be good due to versatility of drones but in PVP department they lose many good ships as game changes but still have enough of them (yet): Ares,Taranis - good inters, they not "above" all others but in the "good half" of inter list Ishtar - good nano HAC, has its bonuses and drawbacks but it is ok until next nano-nerf that probably will kill it. Ship does not have fitting for non-nano variant. Astarte - it is good command ship, blaster variant have range problem but it is one of the few gallente ship that able to fit rails. Megathron,Hyperion - good BSs, they are not uber anymore but they are good. |
Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
- Drone bandwidth nerf EOS - Turrets nerf on the EOS
Eos is a Fleet CS. The Caldari Sniper CS is also a Fleet CS, has a laughable drone bay and also only 5 turrets. The problem with the Eos isn't its drones or its turrets, it's that its tank is a little weak compared to the other three and that the ganglinks it gives bonuses for are probably the least used.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
- Rigs introduced. Defensive Rigs being clearly imbalanced in relation to offensive ones, again
Agreed here, but that problem isn't only Gallente. Everyone who fits a damage mod is better off with anything but offensive rigs. Heck, even without a damage mod there's better rigs than the offensive ones. They're stacking nerfed and few ships can live with their penalties.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
- EM armor resistence and explosive shield resistence lowered. (this one was a nerf to hybrids specifically as their damage was unaffected while both explosive and EM damages were improved)
Everything that boosts one thing is a direct nerf to another thing. E.g., the boost to pulse laser tracking was a direct nerf to all other three races, who didn't get the same boost. The torpedo buff was a direct nerf to all ships that don't use torps. See the pattern? Thermal and kinetic were the best choices of damage types before (and by far the most popular damage types), and I bet they're still good damage types.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Gallente always exceled in small skirmishes, be it solo or in very small gang sizes. There is a gang size threshould above which gallente ships start to lose performance to minmatar ships due to their bigger falloff and another threshold where both start to lose to Caldari and Amarr ships which have much better ranges and focus fire capabilities.
Formerly this threashold was at a much higher number of ships than it is today with all the tank improvements added into the game.
Around 15% of the Caldari ships can actually focus fire in situations you described above, the missile boat line losing effectiveness in larger gangs due to flight times. And you don't always HAVE to fit blasters, you know? It's true that the Gallente drone ships suffer the same drop in effectiveness in larger engagements as the missile spammers, and these don't really have a choice there, but the Gallente turret ships have the option to use rails.
Oh, these buffs to defensive capabilities were a nerf to all gankers & the ganking playstyle btw, it didn't only hurt gallente. It's just the race that excelled at this type of PvP.
In short... Gallente still has f*ckawesome ships, the Thorax, Brutix, Domi and Mega are probably amongst the most flown in PvP, and they (especially the Domi) have taken several nerfs or buffs to other ships and they still shine.
Every race has problem childs in their lineup, every race has types of PvP they excell at and types where they suck at (Amarr/Caldari & solo come to my mind). That doesn't mean the race sucks tho. Myself, I fly Caldari, Gallente & Amarr and uses for all three and enjoy all three.
Ok, I don't enjoy the Caldari bricks, but ... err... they can be useful at times :)
Fake edit: on rereading this, and the threshold thing, isn't it that this threshold is because of the need to MWD around between targets? Meaning, the more HP your target actually has, the better? So the HP and other defense boosts should have had little to no impact there. I tend to fly solo or in small gangs so I don't really know about that. |
Amezyarak
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:00:00 -
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Gallente suck . . . yet everybody and their dog fly a:
1) Mega 2) Domi 3) Thorax 4) Taranis
Check out the ships & modules forum . . . all you see is Mega this and Mega that. Maybe we all just love to fly ships that suck, or there really IS something to these ships.
Change is a given. The Minmatar are due for a boost next. Then months later perhaps Caldari, then perhaps Gallente, and yet again Amarr . . . you really can't win in terms of a "Master Race" with the "Best Ships."
I think most of he complainers need to look at their OWN skills as players first, make sure those are up to par before making blanket statements about ships they otherwise don't know how to fly well or exploit fully.
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Umar Khattab
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:04:00 -
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There are plenty of ships in the Gallente fleet. Saying they all suck is stupid. They have the best drone ships. _______________________________ "Nothing succeeds like excess" -Oscar Wilde |
Zeknichov
Dark Prophecy Inc. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:07:00 -
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Gallente are not the best at anything, but they have well balanced ships and don't suck at anything. Except their recons are garbage atm.
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