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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:47:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 20:35:27
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
NEEDS MOAR E-PEEN BOASTING
EDIT: At least Lyria has the balls to post on his main.
Askign people to post with their mains in the Ships and Modules forum means you want to talk more about yourself rather than about the matters that should be at discussion here.
Lets leave self addulation posts for CAOD, please. Who posts is much less relevant than what is posted here.
Actually it matters who is posting when youre trying to show off your eve pvp peen that doesnt even exist and why you are posting with some noob alt character. You can check my pvp in many of my solo vids. Ive killed more solo then youll ever do in your whole pvp life. So please, dont talk about pvp peen if you arent going to show any of it.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:48:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
For me it is enough to nerf the falcon a bit. I mean it's basically as effective as a rook but it can cloak. You need to ask yourself why everyone is in a falcon instead of a rook.
No, the appropriate question is why they're in Falcons instead of Arazus and Pilgrims. The answer is that nerf bat that you love to swing about.
-Liang
Excuse me but what else can gallente and amarr recon pilots hope for? Have you seen ANY indication of the trying to fix these recons? Please show. If you can't this must mean ccp is quite happy with their performance and if that is the performance of recons I would like to bring down the other recons to that same level. Feels pretty fair to me.
So your argument is that since Arazus and Pilgrims are broken, Falcons should be broken too?
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
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Kuzya Morozov
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:06:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 20:35:27
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
NEEDS MOAR E-PEEN BOASTING
EDIT: At least Lyria has the balls to post on his main.
Askign people to post with their mains in the Ships and Modules forum means you want to talk more about yourself rather than about the matters that should be at discussion here.
Lets leave self addulation posts for CAOD, please. Who posts is much less relevant than what is posted here.
Actually it matters who is posting when youre trying to show off your eve pvp peen that doesnt even exist and why you are posting with some noob alt character. You can check my pvp in many of my solo vids. Ive killed more solo then youll ever do in your whole pvp life. So please, dont talk about pvp peen if you arent going to show any of it.
Do you kill t1 frigs? Serious question btw.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:09:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Do you kill t1 frigs? Serious question btw.
I kill alot of things. Please show me what you have killed solo. Please do.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:24:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Actually it matters who is posting when youre trying to show off your eve pvp peen that doesnt even exist and why you are posting with some noob alt character. You can check my pvp in many of my solo vids. I've killed more solo then youll ever do in your whole pvp life. So please, dont talk about pvp peen if you arent going to show any of it.
The only one who is trying to show off his e-peen is you, my dear. Check the bold part in the quote above for reference. Now try and find ANY reference in my posts bragging about my abilities whatsover. I do not praise myself.
Truth is you cannot say anything about myself because I just don't give people information about what is not of their concern. But I can say a lot about you on the other hand. You are just a fail of a pvper who was in several failed Alliances, one after another. You are utterly incompetent and try to put the blame of your failures in things other than yourself to be able to cope with it. That is you, in a nutshell.
I, and several other people in this thread and in many others, have given you examples of working solutions to your problem. You don't want to accept them because they do not fit your nano-gang cruiser style, which should be the end-all solution to every problem in your limited mind. They also would imply that you are to blame for your losses, which is outrageous! God, solutions were given even inside the nano-gang style. But you take the comfortable position of shunning on them and just repeating like a parrot your dellusions.
God
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:26:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:25:53
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Truth is you cannot say anything about myself because I just don't give people information that will show them that I suck and have no clue wtf pvp is.
Fixed......, my dear.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:28:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:25:53
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Truth is you cannot say anything about myself because I just don't give people information that will show them that I suck and have no clue wtf pvp is.
Fixed......, my dear.
Lol, have your daddy told you that changing quotes is a childish thing to do?
If you are right, what may or may not be, I, at least have the sence of not showing how I suck. You, on the other hand show everyone how you suck all the time 
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:30:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:30:53
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:30:03
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:25:53
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Truth is you cannot say anything about myself because I just don't give people information that will show them that I suck and have no clue wtf pvp is.
Fixed......, my dear.
Lol, have your daddy told you that changing quotes is a childish thing to do?
If you are right, what may or may not be, I, at least have the sence of not showing how I suck. You, on the other hand show everyone how you suck all the time
How do I suck? I suck at pvp because of what I write in the forums? What kind of retrded logic is that?
I know this is your new troll trick youre using on me. Simply lie and make up stuff and play the popularity card against me so it seems that you are right and Im wrong. Well people arent that stupid, they know youre the one full of it.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 21:36:50
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
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How do I suck? I suck at pvp because of what I write in the forums? What kind of retrded logic is that?
I know this is your new troll trick youre using on me. Simply lie and make up stuff and play the popularity card against me so it seems that you are right and Im wrong. Well people arent that stupid, they know youre the one full of it.
Oh my, did I hit a nerve? You seem to have a problem with this popularity stuff.
I will give you an advice, free of charge, though. When your popularity is really low, and when everything you write is shunned at by everyone there is usually a good motive for this. In this case it is because you only write nonsense.
Considering the nonsense you write here comes from your pvp "experience" it is very easy to infer how much you suck. And it explain a lot why you fail so much and are so angry.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:40:00 -
[160]
You're both making miserable attempts to boast your e-peens, and you are both failing. Take it somewhere else.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:40:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Oh my, did I hit a nerve? You seem to have a problem with this popularity stuff.
I will give you an advice, free of charge, though. When your popularity is really low, and when everything you write is shunned at by everyone there is usually a good motive for this. In this case it is because you only write nonsense.
Considering the nonsense you write here comes from your pvp "experience" it is very easy to infer how much you suck. And it explain a lot why you fail so much and are so angry.
1. People don't like me because alot of noobs don't like me removing their FOTM. I don't care about FOTMs because I fly what I like and a wide range of ships. Then they try to turn it around and accusing me of being the noob.
2. Frankly, the majority is not a good measurment of what is right. You should know why.
3. Where exactly are you getting this that I fail? How do I fail in pvp? Where? Explain.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:42:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 21:42:28
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
1. People don't like me because alot of noobs don't like me removing their FOTM. I don't care about FOTMs because I fly what I like and a wide range of ships. Then they try to turn it around and accusing me of being the noob.
Translation: "The problem is not me. It is the world. Really! I know what is best!"
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 21:46:43
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 21:42:28
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
1. People don't like me because alot of noobs don't like me removing their FOTM. I don't care about FOTMs because I fly what I like and a wide range of ships. Then they try to turn it around and accusing me of being the noob.
Translation: "The problem is not me. It is the world. Really! I know what is best!"
If you were smarter then average you might know this feeling. And yes, the general public is not smart.
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Chinkies IV
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:47:00 -
[164]
god you two are so pathetic
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:47:00 -
[165]
Originally by: *****ies IV
god you two are so pathetic
Alt peen. Show me more please.
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Chinkies IV
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:50:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: *****ies IV
god you two are so pathetic
Alt peen. Show me more please.
if I was an alt of Etho maybe I wouldnt call him pathetic
so you're smarter than average huh?
amusing
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:54:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
If you were smarter then average you might know this feeling. And yes, the general public is not smart.
And maybe I would be able to use numbers in my posts about mechanics, right, like you do? Right?
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"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:11:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
If you were smarter then average you might know this feeling. And yes, the general public is not smart.
And maybe I would be able to use numbers in my posts about mechanics, right, like you do? Right?
Wait,, you do?
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Wait,, you do?
Oh I do. Whenever I am trying to fix something that I think it is broken. Refer to the Large Artillery threads for more information about how it is done.
I would here too, in answer to your arguments, if you had quanticized them. As you didn't there is nothing to refute so no need for any work on my part. You want it changed, so you have to provide the numbers to back your logic (or lack of it) up.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:48:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Wait,, you do?
Oh I do. Whenever I am trying to fix something that I think it is broken. Refer to the Large Artillery threads for more information about how it is done.
I would here too, in answer to your arguments, if you had quanticized them. As you didn't there is nothing to refute so no need for any work on my part. You want it changed, so you have to provide the numbers to back your logic (or lack of it) up.
The balance issue is more of a opinion issue now because the thing we all cant agree on is where the line of ew balance should be drawn. How effective a single cloaking ship should be and what not. You cant use numbers for that.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:05:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
The balance issue is more of a opinion issue now because the thing we all cant agree on is where the line of ew balance should be drawn. How effective a single cloaking ship should be and what not. You cant use numbers for that.
You can and NEED to use numbers to quanticize things. Without quantification there is no discussion, only vague assertions, like those you tend to make.
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:06:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 15/06/2008 23:07:17
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 15/06/2008 18:52:41
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But where is the love?
Oh I may not bother to back up every single truth with numbers because I actually pvp in this game unlike some.
No, my dear, you don't pvp. You play counterstrike in space.
She is probably that person that whines about how Awps are unfair and only noobs use them. 
Lyria Skydancer Logic: Because the falcon is used more often than the other recons, it needs a nerf.
Lyria Skydancer Logic 2: Because CCP has said nothing about boosting other recons, the falcon's nerfing should be my current crusade.
Lyria Skydancer Logic 3: I will also ignore that CCP has said nothing about nerfing the falcon.
Lyria Skydancer Logic 4: Anyone who flys a Nanoed ship successfully is a noob (even though it is arguably the hardest ship type to fly successfully)
Lyria Skydancer Logic 5: Because I go against the FOTM ships, I'm automatically uber cool and a great pvper.
Random Atsuko Logic: I do think that the falcon should be nerfed slightly, but only because its Ewar is on par with the Rook, not because ECM is overpowered. Or hell, boost the Rook's dps!
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:28:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
You let me gather a 5 man gang, anything goes as long as it is cruiser sized or less. You also bring a 5 man gang. Now if one of my gangs ships is a falcon and you don't have a falcon in your team, our team will steam roll your team. Why? Because in smaller engagements there is not enough time to fool around with locking the falcon, chasing him around. Your whole 5 man gang will be dead before that. If you don't deal with him and ignore the falcon he can basically half way jam your whole gang.
Actually, I baited your gang into a belt with a bait mega.
Your tackler warps in at 0 (which is an ishtar), points and orbits the BS and calls for your gang to warp in.
My rapier decloaks as the mega triple neuts your Ishtar. In the confusion, the mega MWDed up to him and pointed, while the rapier webbed.
Your gang lands 50 off of the dead ishtar, with the falcon landing cloaked 100 off. You assume you can't lose with the falcon, so you engage the two ships on the field. The mega has 5 medium shield transfer drones on my rapier.
My ishtar lands 40 off of your falcon, who immediately warps off. Any of your ("cruiser or belows") who are slower than 4km/sec have been webbed and will die. Any faster than 4km/sec managed to MWD off and warp.
If the falcon had stayed, he would have had a 30~ chance of survival against the ishtar. If he missed the initial jam, he is dead. The ishtar has a single ECCM, and the falcon has a majority of his jammers (including his Gal racials) on the mega and the rapier in the middle.
I also have a cruise raven and a vaga who haven't warped in, because they are not needed.
Look, I can make up scenarios that go my way as well! Cept', you know, mine was detailed instead of "I HAS A FALCON YOU DIE".
Also, I didn't "let you gather" anything. Wtf? I'm not convoing you asking for a 5v5. This isn't a bloody tournament. This is eve.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:31:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/06/2008 23:31:46
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
Random Atsuko Logic: I do think that the falcon should be nerfed slightly, but only because its Ewar is on par with the Rook, not because ECM is overpowered. Or hell, boost the Rook's dps!
I think we can agree on that. There needs to be a point to use the combat recons. The way it is now is not good. Falcon is basically just as good as a rook except it has cov ops cloak. I actually dont have much objections with the rooks performance, only with the falcons because you cant see it even coming and it is just as good as a rook.
And by the way, I looove AWP! Only noobs play on "cant use this cant use that weapon" servers. Hardcore is the way to go! :-o
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Kuzya Morozov
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.06.16 02:39:00 -
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dude bro, talking with him is pointless :) he will slap his huge wang into your face, because he is amazing at eve and has won it several times.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 02:49:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
dude bro, talking with him is pointless :) he will slap his huge wang into your face, because he is amazing at eve and has won it several times.
LoL
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
Random Atsuko Logic: I do think that the falcon should be nerfed slightly, but only because its Ewar is on par with the Rook, not because ECM is overpowered. Or hell, boost the Rook's dps!
I think all combat recons should get a damage boost and maybe a tank boost as well.
To fix EW there are only 3 simple things needed:
- improve combate recons damage and maybe tank as said above
- improve the gallent recons dampener bonuses
- give the pilgrim the range bonus of the curse.
This could be easily done and would balance EW between races very well, keeping it strong.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Skipping 5 pages of crap.
10 pests/apocs, it cant jam them all, any two of them can one volley a falcon, or even just one.
This.
Or other recons, they all have good sensor strenghts, even without ECCM. Because falcon goes boom with couple of volleys tbh. Also, if you stop flying matar/amarr crap you'll notice your ships have pretty good sensor strenghts against jamming by default.
Although no one uses amarr jammers because there's no good amarr ships... wait. <.<
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 06:07:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 16/06/2008 06:07:06
Originally by: Gamesguy
Skipping 5 pages of crap.
10 pests/apocs, it cant jam them all, any two of them can one volley a falcon, or even just one.
Yes we know that is not the problem. We know a gang of BSs can stand up against a recon. The issue is in small gang warfare. Ofcourse not everyone cares for small gang warfare. I do.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 07:26:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
Oh wait, no-one uses Scorpions any more. Well I guess that's fine with CCP since it hasn't been changed for years except for ECM being nerfed, so lets cry for nerfs of nerf the Domi, Tempest and Armageddon. Come to think of it, you said no-one flies Rooks any more. Better nerf the Curse, Huginn and Lachesis too. You'll be with me on this, right? 
Bitterness isn't really a very good argument. If what you actually want is for the Pilgrim to be fixed, thats fine, let's talk about that instead of whining about a ship that works fine. (Especially when it's one of the few effective PvP ships that a whole race can fly) Campaigning for a whole ship class to be broken just because your favoured member isn't the best is just petulance.
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