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Stevens
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
And Goonswarm can't do the same thing, because à?
I didn't say they couldn't, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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Fayn Trak
Myridian Trading Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:41:00 -
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Then wouldn't the militia pilots also face sec loss and possibly not have access to good ratting grounds to repair it. If they lose access to highsec then things would become awfully interesting. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk |
Stevens
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fayn Trak Then wouldn't the militia pilots also face sec loss and possibly not have access to good ratting grounds to repair it. If they lose access to highsec then things would become awfully interesting.
They do loose access to some High Sec
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stevens
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp.
There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out.
Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
yeah same thing with an NPC corp, your point? you didn't argue what you quoted.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Stevens
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp.
There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out.
Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
Um, the militia also takes a sec hit for attacking anyone not flashing red, which for people who dont have a 0.0 base to run to is a terribly crippling thing.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:00:00 -
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There seems to be a misconception here. I have never been in 0.0 alliance, but i assume in a fleet you got to do what FC tells you to do or you get kicked from corp.
Now welcome to faction war, everyone is equal. FCs are only FCs as long as the normal player permit them to be FCs. They can tell us to go into 0.0 and attack a POS, i can assure you that i then say: "let me think, euhm... ...no". Same for attacking neutrals without any reason.
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Gamesguy
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:46:00 -
[307]
So how did it go? Its been two days hasn't it?
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Blutreiter
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote:
Now you have thousands of players who are war-dec immune and ORGANIZED looking to blow up something, anything, and if a BoB alt or a Goon alt or an anybody alt wants to lead a gang for pos destruction they are IMMUNE from repercussions. CCP can no longer sit on their hands about what to do regarding the NPC corps or else RA is going to dissolve and join Gallente Milita and be wardec immune but keep their vent etc and that is going to be ****** UP.
Immune from repercussions? It's lowsec, you fool, just shoot them!
Sorry, just woke up, didn't read page 10 and 11 yet...
*ahem*
METAGAMING? In my EvE? Also: the above quote wins the thread basically.
Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sh*t up
Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
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Laila Eldgorn
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:11:00 -
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Obviously all 0.0 alliances (or their alt alliances) want to get all good moons in FW regions like in rest of low sec. However it's empire space not 0.0 so they could just stay away if they don't want to have arguments with faction militias, right?
I may be bitter (hey it's my normal mood), but it's pretty boring that majority of valuable resources in EvE are controlled by few big power blocks.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.15 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Well if you manage to look past RA and whatever they do the militia have the possibility to attack any alliance core isk generating areas while keeping their own isk generating areas 100% safe thanks to game mechanics.
Alliances still have access to 20m/hr missions in hi-sec if they want it.
If an alliance irks a militia to the point that they turn upon them with their mighty hi-sec funded fleets and said alliance takes substantial losses then they have no one to blame but themselves.
The militias cannot hold 0.0 space. Worst case, they come in, kill some stuff, and they leave. With no tangible benefit to them for assaulting 0.0 alliances it will only happen when an alliance begins harassing the militia.
If you want the "reward" of killing militia members as an alliance you take the "risk" of retaliation. Both of you have the recourse of returning to hi-sec should the heat get too much. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
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El'Tar
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: TheG2 Alliances, whine elsewhere.
CCP should and will not allow you to war dec Militias, and any organized group in NPC corps could have done this at any time.
Red Alliance knew exactly what they were doing with those carriers, they were trying to be smart and gonna pop some FW people, they underestimated the FW fleets and lost carriers.
Its about time Alliances realized the game isn't all about them, especially when it comes to empire.
I heard you have an awesome megathron fit, please share ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM |
Arlenna Molatov
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.06.16 07:14:00 -
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Yea, what happened today with this? Inquiring minds...and all that
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stevens
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
And Goonswarm can't do the same thing, because à?
I didn't say they couldn't, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Thats a sudden change of ethics aint it? What happend to the jihadswarm.
Talk about double standards, and yes. Whine more please. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Sleyn Peade
Twilight Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.16 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Yea, what happened today with this? Inquiring minds...and all that
Yeah I don't understand, at least the winning side should, pr usual eve-o standards, be on here rubbing a truckload of salt in whatever happened.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.16 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ?
No, it means RA is using their carriers for low sec piracy.
I don't think we've seen the last of FW misdirection; this is already the second somewhat unexpected turn of events...
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Delichon
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: hangnoose Tower should have been out of RF by now I imagine, what happened to it?
Quoting for emphasis. What happened to the tower? ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums. |
Siddy
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stevens
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp.
There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out.
Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
Its me, Im the Bob FC alt who is raining on your parede.
The new BoB CCP FW client has this new feature that lets you command the FW pubbie fleets, among other new cool features. Like, comanding sandstorms in iraq and raining fire and frogs in egypt.
Realy like it!
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Splagada
Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
Originally by: hangnoose Tower should have been out of RF by now I imagine, what happened to it?
Quoting for emphasis. What happened to the tower?
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Jaggal
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:53:00 -
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Eheh, after pirates whining about FW here come(s) 0.0 alliance(s) whining as well?
This is too good to be true
Will FW aka "Carebears strike back" survive the whine of the EVE establishment?
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Arlenna Molatov
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 -
[320]
Yea, kind of wondering what happened with the tower...?
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:59:00 -
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Where are the pirates whining about FW?
I'm loving the targets and knowing there's big fleets out there ready to hand you your ass if you are lazy or arrogant.
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Dracorimus
Out Siders
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: Dracorimus Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D
You, and basically everyone else in this thread, are hilariously naive. Everything from thinking that RA recently put up the tower to thinking that they'd lose space if they try to fight over towers in lowsec.
Your a goon, need I say more ;)
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Valan
The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Yea, kind of wondering what happened with the tower...?
After all that hot air I'm guessing absolutely nothing. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Danae Melios
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 -
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This is crazy. RA has no way of retaliating normally? You can do better than that.
RA can retaliate "normally." Bring in 500 Goon pilots to gatecamp Tama while you cyno in a capfleet. Have a dozen Dreads aggro a neutral alt while in siege mode to draw aggro, with a dozen carriers and a support fleet in tow. Then proceed to kill everything that moves.
RA and friends can "retaliate" and keep the system. There is absolutely nothing holding them back from that.
And I would say that it is natural that the Militias kill Alliance-held POS's, since the Alliances are competitors with the empires. They are sovereign states, and the empires are at war as much as CONCORD will allow. In RP terms absolutely nothing wrong with the militias picking off POS's, it is just that most of the alliances probably have alts in place to redirect such efforts.
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Boromor
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Posted - 2008.06.17 05:50:00 -
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Hey this is Boromor here, Just figured I would post my 2 cents. TO everyone here that says we "the Caldari Milita need to learn our place" Needs to think about who you are talking to here. Yes there are lots of new players in the caldari milita, but they are my new players. They will rally behind me with whatever i need them to. To you RA suckers that i can proudly say I FC'd For the popping of, Would you care to send in some more Carriers to our tama gate and attack us again? I would be more than happy to let you "Show Us Our Place". In the particular op, would you like to know my rules of engagement for all the "New players" of mine? They will not shoot unless the target is flashing in red, or is at war with us. All the carriers that we popped aggressed my fleet first. We were just out on a evening stroll of 200 people that were going to fly around and shoot some random asteroids. We weren't planning on blowing up your carriers . Guess it was just your bad for attacking some of my boy's .
We have nothing against RA, "actually we love you guys for the carrier kills". This was your own fault for sideing with the Gallente Milita. For a future heads up, if you do side with the Gallente Milita we will contiue to pop your ships, This goes for ANYONE. If you dont want to be blown up... Then dont have anything to do with the gallente Milita. Its as simple as that.
To clear my name a litle bit, I did not FC for the popping of the people at the POS, I only headed the Fleet that popped the 3 hostile carriers. By the way if anyone wants to support the Caldari Milita contact Boromor, i would be happy to hear any offers or idea's. To anyone who thinks we did somthing wrong by blowing up the carriers, just contact me in game and i would be More than happy to talk to you about it. As long as my milita mates that are mocking you behind my back can stay quiet long enough for me to hear your argument that is.
Safe Flying Everyone, Boromor p.s - that goes double for you RA guys, I think you all need it.
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Boromor
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Posted - 2008.06.17 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Danae Melios This is crazy. RA has no way of retaliating normally? You can do better than that.
RA can retaliate "normally." Bring in 500 Goon pilots to gatecamp Tama while you cyno in a capfleet. Have a dozen Dreads aggro a neutral alt while in siege mode to draw aggro, with a dozen carriers and a support fleet in tow. Then proceed to kill everything that moves.
RA and friends can "retaliate" and keep the system. There is absolutely nothing holding them back from that.
And I would say that it is natural that the Militias kill Alliance-held POS's, since the Alliances are competitors with the empires. They are sovereign states, and the empires are at war as much as CONCORD will allow. In RP terms absolutely nothing wrong with the militias picking off POS's, it is just that most of the alliances probably have alts in place to redirect such efforts.
You might be right in the fact that RA and friends can retaliate against the milita, but only to a degree. If RA and friends would like to warp in a fleet of caps and 500 guys into Tama, then feel free ^_^. We do not own that system it really means nothing to us as a whole. I will simply start baseing our fleets out of somewhere else. We can always go in pop a couple POS's and fly back into high sec with no harm done, we cannot have our POS's popped however, seeing as how we do not own any. Hopefully you guys will take all this into account before putting yourself through the trouble of organizeing somthing as complicated as getting a 500 man gang with cap support to tama We "the Caldari Milita, are not looking for a fight. Unless your with the gallentes that is."
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Disco Bum
Scream Discoteque
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Posted - 2008.06.17 07:15:00 -
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So what happened to the tower?
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.06.17 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Disco Bum So what happened to the tower?
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
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edtheshed
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.06.17 08:56:00 -
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the op has since posted a new topic saying that they never put the tower into reinforced, it was a bet or sumthin...
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Asuka Smith
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.17 09:10:00 -
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People are still hung up on the specific case of the RA tower, rather than the implications... I think this thread is a legit story but even if it is not the points raised remain valid.
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