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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill o7
Im seriously thinking of signing up for a tour in the protectorate, shame they have so many already.
hahah, thats what i was thinking, assuming this is all true. who would have just a week ago thought the "militia" of "carebear noobs that are going to be farmed 23/7 by ebil pirates" would go and bop the Russians on the forhead with their salami??
seriously, please keep this thread updated. This has to be an interesting turn of events, i wonder if CCP would have thought this would happen?
damn......if only the Amarr weren't so damn outnumbered. I'd love to go poke at old hostiles from my stint in RoadKill.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong?
I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them.
lets put it this way, the militia attacked a pos. IF RA wanted to defend it then RA could cruise down there and defend it. Theres not going to be any gate turrets firing at them ,concord or Empire NPC ships.
The question is would RA really be able to take on all the caldari players AND RA's normal list of enemies all at the same time? Most likely RA would have to withdraw from lowsec instead of being swarmed by old enemies in expensive ship hitting them in 0.0 and a swarm of ****ed off,newly empowered and revenge hungry playerbase flying anything from a t1 frig to any t2 ships they have been polishing for this day that they would have normally just dreamt about.
Lets face it, it would be a hell of a DP to watch.
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Kel'dar Drax
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 -
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It occurs to me that if there was a way to effectively organise the faction militias we could be seeing the start of a new era for lowsec in eve.
I assume there is nothing to stop the 'corporate' faction members from setting up mining and manufacturing operations in any lowsec space?
The next step will be for one of the faction corps to recruit sufficient numbers of FW grunts to achieve de- facto leadership...then the fur will really fly.
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Nihilanth
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:26:00 -
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Sounds like a perfect plan. I cant think of any alliances off the top of my head that met their end at the hands of the Russians in a war that the Russians did not start. |
Dracorimus
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:30:00 -
[95]
Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D |
Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:31:00 -
[96]
Honestly, screw RA. Screw any alliance for that matter. If anyone wants to extend its arm of power outside its borders then they should have to take the consequence of their action. Take the security hit, shoot some alts and have a good time. |
Epidemis
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:33:00 -
[97]
Being able to war-dec the FW corps is a seriously bad idea. The FW corps arent as organized as the 0,0 alliance and there's loads of innocent people in it. |
mynnna
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dracorimus Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D
You, and basically everyone else in this thread, are hilariously naive. Everything from thinking that RA recently put up the tower to thinking that they'd lose space if they try to fight over towers in lowsec.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sheila Love Surely CCP should of seen that something of this nature was gonna happen what with said moons in the new region.
On a side note now, this will most likely spice up the action in FW some what if RA decide to flex there muscles, giving the gallente a boost in the process, tho you never know if there's Cap's to pop, we may even see a Caldari/Gallente ceasefire and a co-ordinated effort made to remove the russians from FW space. Just imagine the Gallente droneswarm teamed with the Caldari missile and EM spam..
This is probably the best news the Gallente ever got, the Caldari ****ing off RA.
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:41:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:43:00 -
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Any alliance that think they can control FW space with capitals or hardcore PvPers etc is up for a big can of whoopass. RA killing the caldaris? They better ask the minmatar and gallente FW grps for help then :P
All RA will teach if they try enforce their little goldmoon there is a show on how you shoot yourself in the foot with an even bigger gun that they already did. |
Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong?
I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them.
the only difference I can think of is a wardec... and since when did high-sec empire wars make ANY difference to anything? They're fun, and thats about it
And honestly, nothing has changed, as someone posted very thoughtfully earlier in the thread, these are people who were playing the game anyway and just have more of a sense of direction.
Crying about 'there is no way to retaliate' is ridiculous. They live in lowsec. They are as killable as the next player. They don't do POS but then neither do a lot of entities, and that surely is their choice.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:56:00 -
[103]
Soon, the muggles will learn why you do NOT **** WITH THE RUSSIANS.
Even being an ally with them we still know who not to **** with (pst, Russians).
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Daviclond
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:03:00 -
[104]
is the massive sense of entitlement seen here standard issue to all FW applicants or what |
ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:10:00 -
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IF the russians are as big and bad as their supports want to suggest then why do they need allies? why not just steamroll the other groups as well?
To suggest that RA could hold back, what was it 3k caldari militia members while being attacked by any alliance out there is kind of funny. Its funny because RA would need to put a large force 23/7 to block off the militia players. They would have to do this knowing that everyone in Eve is going to be watching. A protracted fight would definitely get some alliances thinking,planning and making some moves.
IF for some reason no alliance makes a move against RA while the Russians deal with the militia players then every alliance out there would need to castrate themselves because the "empire noobs" are more then willing to fight a major alliance and they themselves are to scared to do anything against RA. |
Blutreiter
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 -
[106]
Whats up with the ungodly amount of a**kissing in here?
EVE was never about "we were here first, it's our RIGHT to own this".
EVE is about "we got weapons and we use them, if you are not able to defend yourself, though luck"
Are some of you even playing this game? |
MrHalls
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gralgathor What's with all this RA rear-end kissing? I respect RA greatly, I was in LV and got my ... handed to me quite often by their pilots, but this time they made a mistake. They picked a fight with the new bully on the block, and they were soundly beaten.
It's called factional warfare, not alliance warfare. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
HELL'S KITCHEN!! HAHAHAHAHAHA |
mynnna
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Drenan Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful.
Keep dreaming. "The Goons" are laughing. Very, very hard. |
Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 -
[109]
In a certain sense, the black rise is sovereign territory of the state and federation war parties.
If someone tries to occupy this space, this someone has to expect retaliation.
So hopefully 0.0 alliances will learn as pirates did, to stay the hell out of faction war...
Actually I am am not only most positively surprised, to see such an esprite de corps established so early in the FW units,
I toast to their success:
"Bear hunting and fresh Quaffe; ships in space".
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:17:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Blutreiter Whats up with the ungodly amount of a**kissing in here?
EVE was never about "we were here first, it's our RIGHT to own this".
EVE is about "we got weapons and we use them, if you are not able to defend yourself, though luck"
Are some of you even playing this game?
Its called "EntitlementOnline" you better start training your forum whining to level 5 so you can train "afraid of all the noobs we talked smack about for years on end". weapons are for noobs! whining is the new thing if you want to be cool. |
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Yugami Templar
8th Knights Hospitaller
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:19:00 -
[111]
My main has fought against RA in two wars over the past year and Ive seen the fleets they can field. Now dont get me wrong, my mains going too be joining the Caldari soon and is in the process of leaving his Alliance but guys the russians are nothing too take lightly in this game. If that *****ing Pos is destroyed it would tickle me pink, But something tells me 200 Caracals and Frigs and a few Drakes and Ravens are going too be in for a rude suprise if the Russians bring even a Quarter of their Capital Fleet and BS support and Field Commanders.
So heres too hoping the Russians didnt want that moon anyways (lol) or you/we can outblob them 5 to 1 and even then.... |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:23:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Nihilanth Sounds like a perfect plan. I cant think of any alliances off the top of my head that met their end at the hands of the Russians in a war that the Russians did not start.
factional warfare =/= alliances you moron. |
Straight Chillen
Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:30:00 -
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You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off.
Please. Dont Stop.
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:33:00 -
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Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?.
RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?.
Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight.
Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? ...... continues overleaf. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:33:00 -
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While killing the three carriers was awesome, I think going after RA's moons is getting the militia seriously side tracked.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:35:00 -
[116]
WAIT A MIN!
if you bar militias from attacking RA nothing will change, they will just go back into the NPC corp. The NPC corp can shoot at them.
oh wait the NPC corp could ALWAYS SHOOT AT ANYONE IN LOW SEC BECAUSE IT'S LOWSEC.
speaking of which why didn't anyone do this before? people are whining that the militia can now effect politics... yeah? and the NPC corps could always do this, nothing stopping them... but why didn't they?
oh wait maybe it was because they were afraid of PvP and didn't know what to do. they didn't want to go into 0.0 space and they knew going into low sec alone was suicide... if only there was some system in place to help high sec players get into 0. warfare...
O M G!
look factional warfare is helping move high sec players into 0.0 space!
Before you know it with more changes, the militia are going to start their own 0.0 alliances. militia players will bore of FW and leave to join 0.0 alliances.
and then new players will take up place of the leaving players, and FW will have done it's job, the STEP between high sec, and 0.0 space.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war
untrue they were camping the main gate into the PvP areas, they were asking for it. they were there on purpose to **** with factional warfare and they know it.
not that this is a bad thing it could of been fun. but they failed, the attack was pushed back and they were able to once again enjoy FW.
saying that it wasn't effecting FW is BS.
also your in a noob corp they can't dec you either why don't you get some of your 30,000 members and go attack them too?
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan While killing the three carriers was awesome, I think going after RA's moons is getting the militia seriously side tracked.
Why? The moon is in Black Rise. This is a region the Caldari Militia is compelled to protect.
Or did alliances just assume it would be a free-for-all? I guess so...
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FlameGlow
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:02:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Yugami Templar My main has fought against RA in two wars over the past year and Ive seen the fleets they can field. Now dont get me wrong, my mains going too be joining the Caldari soon and is in the process of leaving his Alliance but guys the russians are nothing too take lightly in this game. If that *****ing Pos is destroyed it would tickle me pink, But something tells me 200 Caracals and Frigs and a few Drakes and Ravens are going too be in for a rude suprise if the Russians bring even a Quarter of their Capital Fleet and BS support and Field Commanders.
So heres too hoping the Russians didnt want that moon anyways (lol) or you/we can outblob them 5 to 1 and even then....
RA should really drop that "neutral=enemy" and "hanging out on route=aggression" approach in case of militia. The POS could just stay there and mine all they wanted and probly noone would care about it (and if a corp in militia cared it can be wardecced and made reconsider). But attacking militia as a whole naturally causes retaliation, and anyway not much can be done but drive militia away from the system for as long as it's guarded(and it has to be guarded quite good, 3 carriers are not enough apparently) Lowsec severely limits tactical approaches that can be taken against a blob of even noobish ships - no DDD, no bombs, no bubbles. So, what's RA going to do? Don't know, time will tell.
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:14:30 Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:11:59
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
... they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?.
No they are not. Its lowsec, you can jump in a capital fleet if you want, it will be interesting to watch what follows then:
Taking into account the size and resources of RA, its very likely that they could succeed locking down Black Rise.
The only question is if its worth for them to permanently, yes permanently, dedicate material and manpower to this task, thereby weakening their position in 0.0.
I would assume that such an attempt by RA or other alliances, would be welcomed by the militias.
The reason why such an endeavour is a pointless one for any alliance, is that the FW participants are in it not for territory, not for resources or political power, but just for pew pew.
They do not care if they loose ship.
It would be most ignorant to assume that cruiser and frigate blobs, are everything that FW parties could bring to the field, especially should the conflict escalate.
There are surely enough resources and know how, in form of main accounts backing up the war parties, to allow them to rather quickly field capital fleets if needed.
Oh and bimbo, since you do not have brains, at least show your balls and post with your main. |
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