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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Molle's current Titan isn't the one Hegemon Rast was flying. What's untrue about that statement? Nothing is.
Perhaps Molle should give this Titan back to Heg. Afterall, Molle did tell Heg that he (Molle) would return a titan. Of course when one cannot actually generate themselves the isk to build a Titan, it must be very hard to honor one's word.
What I think BoB leadership is failing to understand, who will now step up to do the grind to earn the isk for when a titan needs be replaced? Who in the Alliance will trust their leadership when a costly item is needed. Perhaps the BoB leadership will jump in a hulk to mine or collect the datacores to invent T2 baubles. Perhaps BoB is so fat now they don't care if someone of Heg's isk gathering ability leaves to join another alliance. Remember, alliance rot starts at the top.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic This isn't a BoB issue.
It is a BNC issue, anybody who knows ANYTHING about how we operate, will know that the alliance does not involve itself on the internal workings of the corps.
No, it is a perception on BoB. If Molle is in possesion of a Titan he should give it back to Heg. Then Molle should get the Titan he loaned out back. You are either a alliance working for the common good or you are a disparate group of corps that care not a wit about the alliance they are part of.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 13:42:00 -
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Sorry bud but I did read the posts. If Heg had loaned his titan to his corp, then his corp loaned it to Molle....you would be justified in your reply:
"This series of events started when SirMolle lost his titan about a year ago, since he was much more involved in front line fighting I offered him mine to use as a fill in until he replaced his. After some consideration he accepted with a promise to return it once his replacement was finished. About 3 months ago I think he attempted to do exactly that, but rather then return it directly to me as I was not online he gave it to Jake Noble of BNC to give to me"
While Molles intent may have been pristine, the end result is still that Heg has no Titan. If I loan someone 500 million isk I don't expect them to give it to someone else in my corp, but when the corp member doesn't transfer it to me, don't even think that I would hold the transferee as responsible for repaying me. I hold the original pilot I loaned the isk to as responsible. While this is a game, r/l principles are valued here also. If one does not care about their online reputation then, as in R/L, consequences flow accordingly. While BNC and SirMolle can ***** foot around the issue, the end result is they are screwing over what should be a very valued member of the BoB team. If you have a hard time understanding this I suggest you take a ethics 101 class.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: algorythm Edited by: algorythm on 14/06/2008 14:09:11 I totally support this thread. Coranor stole a shuttle from me once, just because I was going to sell it on e-bay! He never gave it back! He is a mean pirate and this needs to be exposed!
More obvious damage control. And I corrected your spelling and grammar.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Problem is, Deckard (and lrrp) are saying that Molle has anything to do with this. He doesn't. The agreement to borrow a titan was between Heg and BNC as soon as Molle returned that titan to BNC.
Are you saying when Molle agree'd to borrow Heg's Titan, that the agreement was Molle could return it to either BNC or directly to Heg? If so then you have a case.
OTOH if you seem to think because Molle returned the Titan to BNC satisfactorily concluded the arrangement without Heg's okay, then the loan agreement is not concluded.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Lrrp
Originally by: Dianabolic
Problem is, Deckard (and lrrp) are saying that Molle has anything to do with this. He doesn't. The agreement to borrow a titan was between Heg and BNC as soon as Molle returned that titan to BNC.
Are you saying when Molle agree'd to borrow Heg's Titan, that the agreement was Molle could return it to either BNC or directly to Heg? If so then you have a case.
Molle DID return the titan to Heg. Heg then gave the ship to BNC, because afaik he was leaving the game.
Hope that clears it up for you.
If this is the case then I would agree the matter is a internal corp affair. I would like to hear Heg's comment at this point to verify the veracity of your statement as the OP does not indicate this.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.14 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Lrrp Dianabolic, your sig says you are a diplomat. Diplomats seek to address a problem and bring it to a satisfactory conclusion. A propagandist OTOH, tells the public whatever he thinks will make his organisation look good.
So...are you a diplomat or a propagandist? If the latter, please change your sig.
and a ****** tells an alliance that's been more successful than any other for 5 years how to do his job.
Interesting. You are inferring that Dianabolic is the alliance. Do you have to walk around in R/L wearing a football helmet with the word "special" painted on it?
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.15 02:33:00 -
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As I read more of this thread I feel odd because I'm beginning to think the Goons have more integrity than BoB. Someone biatch slap me.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.15 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 15/06/2008 02:43:31 Nothing was 'stolen'.
It wasn't his to begin with, especially to eBay so that it ends up with some unknown party.
Not very brotherly of Hegemon Rast -- more like traitorous, much like this topic he started.
Well sunshine, If it wasn't Heg's why did Molle "borrow" it instead of just taking it?:
"This series of events started when SirMolle lost his titan about a year ago, since he was much more involved in front line fighting I offered him mine to use as a fill in until he replaced his. After some consideration he accepted with a promise to return it once his replacement was finished."
Does this sound like the Titan was not Heg's but perhaps someone elses?
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:20:00 -
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Me wonders how many of the BoBs and their alts defending the Titan theft ever actually gathered the isk/materials to build one? Oh and we don't hate BoB, some of us just lost a bit of respect for them. End of the day none of it matters and Eve life will continue.
J.C.Watts made the comment once that, "Integrity is what you have when no one is around." In BoB's case lack of integrity is what you have when everyone is around.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:22:00 -
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Well lets suppose for a minute that the story of Hedge's Titan was to stay in BNC is true. Should not BNC be obligated to pay Hedge for the Titan? Or is that too moral for BoB types?
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
Typically members of a corp want to believe that their CEO and the directors are the greatest people alive. So they will swallow most any excuse that is made up for doing "bad" things like theft.
Whenever people realy want to believe something, they do. In such a case facts do not matter too much.
Bruce members believed in their former founder and executor....right up until he pulled his corp, assets and non corp FC's out of the alliance. If I recall Fried also imposed a ban posting in this forum prior to leaving.
In short when open discussion is banned, something needs be hidden.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lrrp on 19/06/2008 19:23:35
Originally by: Don ZOLA plz read my previous posts before you quote me. then you would see that i obviously have access to your forums. therefore i READ posts of everyone involved. your damage control is simply failing so better stop it. i could have quoted exact posts to proove my point but i wont simply becouse i have respect for Blacklight and i dont want to drag his name around.
He left you for very good reason, im sure he wont be only one. and plz dont force me to get all dirty loundry out. at least about BL since he left you.
So now we are seeing a ***** in a once great alliance. Now the BoBs are trying spin why people are leaving.
Do the leadership of any large alliance understand that quality hardworking members are what makes them great? Screw over royally someone like Hedge and watch how the quality people re-assess their reasons for working and start looking elsewhere. How many people leaving will it take, how many people doing less for their alliance will it take....for leadership to realize the theft of a Titan may not be the freebie they thought it was.
edit: why is the word c#h#i#n#k blocked out?
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: Lrrp edit: why is the word c#h#i#n#k blocked out?
Very bad word. Using it turns you into a racist bastard.
Ah, but context is everything.
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Lrrp
Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lrrp on 19/06/2008 20:23:23
Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: Lrrp Ah, but context is everything.
Seems CCP doesn't agree with your opinion.
Guess not. Wonder how they view the word "slope".
Guess there are no ex-Vietnam vets in CCP's edit drone
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