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SA Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: SA Nemesis on 16/06/2008 11:26:46 Im like perminantly broke, i mine for hours and even in a retriever only earn a few million everyday, missions offer practically nout in cash, trading on the market is risky and may only fetch a small profit for the amount of time you take trying to find a decent place 2 sell it all and rratting also offers little inc ash unless you go to low sec systems where you get owned by the local pirates, even pirating is pritty much impossible because most people in low sec's are pirates themselves whith alot of experience,ive tryed so may ways even tryed selling my bio secion(no offers as yet :( so i was wondering, is there a much easyer way to earn some decent cash in eve or is mining,pvping,trading and missioning the only ways to earn some decent(if any) ISK?
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:29:00 -
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Uhmm...mining easily give something around 4-6million an hour doing veldspar, plag etc. Doing missions can easily give you 20million or more an hour doing L4s.
Trade is harder to determine since its alot more dynamic. It can be anything from loss to profit.
Else there is research, complexes, manufactoring etc etc. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Siloar
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: SA Nemesis Edited by: SA Nemesis on 16/06/2008 11:28:51 I'm constantly broke, I mine for hour's on end, which and even in a retriever only earn's a few million everyday. Mission's offer practically nothing in cash, trading on the market is risky and may only fetch a small profit for the amount of time you take trying to find a decent place to sell it all. Ratting also offers little in cash unless you go to low sec systems, where it's likely you'll be attacked by the local pirates, even pirating is pretty much impossible for new player's, because most people in low sec are pirates themselves, with a lot of experience and friends. I've tried different ways to earn isk even tried selling my Bio section, so I was wondering if there was a much easier way to earn some decent cash in EVE or is it all mining, pvping, trading and missioning the only way to earn some decent(if any) ISK?
Just a "translation".
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Soulita
Inner Core
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai Uhmm...mining easily give something around 4-6million an hour doing veldspar, plag etc. Doing missions can easily give you 20million or more an hour doing L4s.
Trade is harder to determine since its alot more dynamic. It can be anything from loss to profit.
Else there is research, complexes, manufactoring etc etc.
What you say is true for higher SP players, but I think the OP is speaking for ways of a new player to make good cash.
When I was fresh to eve I made most of my cash by trading. Buying cheap, seeling high. This often involves flying from one region to another, to profit from the price differences in the regions.
Doing that as a new player invest as much as you can afford to lose, but not more.
Good luck.
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CetusOfAsuran
GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:40:00 -
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afraid really the level of isk is pretty much in relation to your experience, mining for example you say retriever 5mil/hour easy enough more experience gets you in a mackinaw mining ice fields and doubling that bit more again gets you a hulk and more again. missions are the same bigger ships more experience gets you onto lvl4's earning avg 20mil/mission.
Stick with it dude soon you will be saying i got nothing to spend it on.
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SA Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:47:00 -
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yeh i mine alone mainly so no one hauls 4 me and with my mining skills i earn about 3mil at most an hour, about this ice mining, will that earn alot more money than if i were to mine resorces such as veld and plag?
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Chzandri on 16/06/2008 12:03:13 When I was new I made my ISK by ratting in 0.0. I started at about 3 mil sp. 15 mil an hour income ... similar to level 4 missions only easier because 0.0 rats don't need standing and spawns are much smaller, if you play 7 hours each week to make ISK this is a 100 mil/week income and it buys a lot of cruisers, interceptors, and an occasional battlecruiser or assault frig
best way to make money is trading and scamming, but it sound like you're no good at trading
you can also just sell game times codes - $15 for 30 day code yields you 150-180 million ISK, no headache about grinding it for hours
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Medi'ka
Capital Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:55:00 -
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Honestly,
Salvaging LVL 2 missions can be pretty profitable. so can reprocessing the DRONE Loot into MINS.
i can't stress enough how quickly/easily you can train up to salvage. as a new player if you are not salvaging wrecks in lvl 2 missions, you will have a hard go at earning isk.
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Stuart Price
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 16/06/2008 17:13:58 1. Salvaging after your missions. 2. Ore Relocation Services (Relocating to your hangar that is). 3. Ninjaratting in 0.0 <- may take some fancy flying and decent skills though.
Beyond that it's a case of skilling up fully for either mining or missions.
As a general rule, trying to do something properly outside the box is difficult as most people are very wary of potential scams. Most people with actual money that is. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Solcypher
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:38:00 -
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Get a destroyer, go to a lvl 4 mission hub, convo mission runners and ask if you can salvage their missions, sell off good named loot and salvage, refine the bad stuff and sell the mins...
easy low skill way
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:40:00 -
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scamming, that is all
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Ede Brickell
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:42:00 -
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You can also ninja salvage in mission hubs, you might get shoot if you actually loot, but you can salvage all you want. Just need basic survey skills to find missioners in space, bookmark location and come back once missioner clears the mission.
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SA Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:04:00 -
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abouut this finding people doing missions, what kind of scanner do i need 2 actualy b able to find where they are?
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:09:00 -
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Do salvaging if you mission. Netted me 20 mil in my first week doing level 1 missions. Angel cartel and rogue drones are some of the best for salvaging as they drop armor plates and tritanium alloyed bars. Try go to minmatar space sometime and hunt some in asteroid belts if missions aren't your thing.
if your still finding things too slow or rough then all i can suggest is to find a corp you get along with. The best help i got in eve was finding like minded corp mates who were happy to help me when i needed it. If all that doesn't help then Just struggle along and specialize in missions or mining in hi sec. In time you'll be able to solo most level 4 missions and net in some crazy income or mine in a hulk. good luck out there.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:14:00 -
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…or if you can't be arsed probing people out, just bring a salvager into 1/10 or 2/10 complexes. A lot of people just blow through them to get to the overseer drop and occasional faction loot at the end, and leave a metric ton of ship wrecks in their wake.
These plexes generally operate on a "throw a billion enemies at them" kind of difficulty balancing, so even though it's only frigate wrecks, there's enough of them to give you decent returns.
Depending on what faction you meet in the plex, a single trip through can easily net you a couple of millions in salvage.
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LoKesh
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Soulita
What you say is true for higher SP players, but I think the OP is speaking for ways of a new player to make good cash.
I'm about to reveal my age here I think... I think new players need to realize that 3 million an hour for a young character is alot of isk. I remember puttering around for a few days just to afford a punisher frigate. It took help from my corporation to get my first cruiser.
What are you going to do with 20 million/hour if you aren't flying tech2 and throwing it away alot?
When you have 15+ million SP you can start to worry about how to make lots of isk, and by that point you'll have the experience to know how to make cash, the skills to do it and then the need to spend it.
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Anggron
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Posted - 2008.06.25 04:27:00 -
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amen to tht lo kesh
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Willford Bremly
Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: LoKesh
Originally by: Soulita
What you say is true for higher SP players, but I think the OP is speaking for ways of a new player to make good cash.
I'm about to reveal my age here I think... I think new players need to realize that 3 million an hour for a young character is alot of isk. I remember puttering around for a few days just to afford a punisher frigate. It took help from my corporation to get my first cruiser.
Ahh the good 'ol days of mining in a bantam with 2x t2 mining lasers thinking you were the cats ass. Until a hulk/retriever pulled up next to you. Once you can solo level 4's then you can probably make 5-6mil per hour. Then get a good corp in null sec and rat 8-10mil every 20 mins. You wont make millions with low SP. I remember as well my first corp helping me afford a fitted destroyer. »\(¦_o)/»
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Kyra Felann
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Siloar
Originally by: SA Nemesis Edited by: SA Nemesis on 16/06/2008 11:28:51 I'm constantly broke, I mine for hour's on end, which and even in a retriever only earn's a few million everyday. Mission's..
Just a "translation".
Before you translate things, you should learn to write the language you're translating into. You, for instance, don't seem to grasp basic apostrophe usage. Way to introduce grammar errors where they didn't previously exist.
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uoY delliK
DOA POKER
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:15:00 -
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You could always, *ahem*, play poker for isk... I've seen people start with a couple million, and end up with billions.
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Emma Wielant
Maersk Republic
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:17:00 -
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Level Four Missions and Selling GTCs are my favorite ways of making ISK. -v-v-v-
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Deeron
Sons Of Korhal
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Deeron on 25/06/2008 05:34:44 I've ratted in lawless and yea the bounties are up there, but I don't think the isk per hour ratio is as high as some people are touting unless you are getting BS spawn after BS spawn. Even if you chain them, they still take 2 to 3 mins to re-appear.
Trading is risky yes, can net a good profit yes, but... it takes lots of isk to make lots of isk.
Mish's are good, I will agree there. I've made decent isk on level 3's, haven't even done level 4's yet.
Right now the sweet spot for me is in mining. I have two chars, one hauls and the other mines. My miner has a hulk with exhumers V, using T2 strips, T2 mining crytals, and both lows have MLU IIs. The only thing left for him to up his yield is the highwall implant and a gang bonus from someone who can provide one (possibly my hauler at some point). My hauler has approximately 30,000M3 of space..so I can basically just keep my hulk parked all day which helps tremendously!
At current prices, I'm doing great if I can pull in even 10M/hour with Veld or Plagioclase. Lawless can be better if you have a place to store all your ore and can haul it to highsec.
And yes I also refine if prices dictate I get a better price for my mins.
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Rechal
Active Measures
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:40:00 -
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I hear there are banks, investments and lotteries out there that can give decent returns.
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sjeng
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:08:00 -
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hehe everyone sais sell GTC's for ISK well I Am saving Up ISK to get a GTC ingame :p Since i am almost broke IRL i probably wont be able to afford the next 2 months and i really love this game
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 11/08/2008 02:32:06
Originally by: Solcypher Get a destroyer, go to a lvl 4 mission hub, convo mission runners and ask if you can salvage their missions, sell off good named loot and salvage, refine the bad stuff and sell the mins...
easy low skill way
Agree... Plenty of people do missions and don't bother to loot/salvage at all. Make friends with some mission runners...
Or make friends with someone that is probing said mission runners
IMO, mining is mainly a waste of time. I wouldn't mine unless you tend to "play" eve while reading a book or watching a movie and only glance at the screen every so often. The miners that are really productive as the ones that mine high end ores in 0.0 with plenty of gang links/support etc.
If you are smart about it, there is no reason why you can't find a better way to make isk. If you want to play the game for real, look into piracy.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:37:00 -
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Level 2 or 3 missions. Do them fast, then switch ships or use an alt to salvage. You can make 4 or 5 mil per hour right there. Usually more like 2 or 3 though.
Making isk takes work. And it also depends on what you count as 'enough'. Looking to make 100mil easy? Only thing I know is trading, or possibly moon mining. 20mil? Level 4 missions, nulsec ratting. 1-5 mil per hour? Hisec veld mining or level 2 and 3 missions.
Some may require you to team up with someone to really pull cash. But generally, they are all soloable. And the hisec stuff is pretty lucrative.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 11/08/2008 02:52:40 When I was a rookie I seem to remember making most of my ISK for a while (maybe a few weeks) running Zydrine and Megacyte out of lowsec.
Lost my ship a couple of times, but insurance picked up the tab and I still made some nice ISK. Fast frigates almost nothing when insured, even with a hold full of (then, for me) expensive cargo it still wasn't much to bounce back from and I learned the basics of lowsec life while it was still cheap.
After that I made a few big scores in lowsec gravimetric exploration sites. Even after the refining / tax hits and hiding from pirates once in a while (and occasionally losing my noob Retriever to rats) it was still much better ISK than lv. 2 missions or mining lowends in said noob Retriever.
and finally as I was skilling toward a Hulk and getting into BCs things finally swung the other way, where I could make the most ISK doing lv. 3 missions and stripping belts in highsec. And a year later I still do lv. 3s and strip belts in highsec for ISK - I started getting into pvp some and it's just not feasible to train battleships to a competent level while still maintaining an industrial/exploration focus (though I am slowly working my way towards HACs and Command Ships). Small ship pvp is lots of fun though, and in FW (blob) warfare you're never primaried first ---
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:51:00 -
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What are your 3M SP in? If they're all in learning you're hardly more potent than a newbie straight out of the box; you can't expect to make GTC-funding cash that way unless you play 23x7. Mining in empire in anything crappier than a hulk is a complete waste of time.
Pretty much every valid newbie-friendly way of making ISK has been covered. Once you hit about 6-7M combat-related SP or so the game starts to open up. And it *REALLY* gets fun after 30M when you can finally fit and fly what you want. Mostly.
Until then it's all about salvage. And not how much you salvage, it's what you salvage. Be sure to move to Amarr space for the juiciest per hour salvaging income. You can fit a destroyer with 2 salvagers and a tractor in addition to 5 guns and rat/salvage in .5 easily beating 2M/hour. Or, as pointed out above, invade missions.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 03:05:00 -
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I'm not gonna read up this whole thread to see if someone suggested it, but have you considered cybering for isk? I hear it's good. But you'll need a new avatar. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Kaivos
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Posted - 2008.08.11 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Solcypher Get a destroyer, go to a lvl 4 mission hub, convo mission runners and ask if you can salvage their missions, sell off good named loot and salvage, refine the bad stuff and sell the mins...
easy low skill way
This actually works, there are plenty of mission runners who dont bother to salvage or loot.
Other way is to fit a cheap frigate with cloak and salvagers and head up to 0.0 space and ninjasalvage everything you see. With insurance it really doesnt cost you anything to lose the ship. It may take you sometime to find a popular ratting system but it is also fun and exciting.
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