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Sandrinne Mirterois
Alenia Labs
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:24:00 -
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in the nano buffer tank age, in my opinion, sthealth bomber lost some of theyr strategic role.
especially whit all the "new sthealth innovation".
Nowdays there are recon everywhere, it seem like the same problem AF has after the Heavy Assoult ship's boom,they are hardly used.
i see around some trolls so decided to give it a try and make this "official" thread....
basically, i saw, there are 2 different scool:
1)let S.B.'s fired missiles hit even if i re-cloack
2)make S.B. use Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
personally, i suport the second one... this will make em more sourvivable anyways i'm sure S.B. need a little boost as they should be more... strategic...
maybe is just a my dream, cause i like the soft and sneaky sniper tactic....
==> Discuss
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TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sandrinne Mirterois in the nano buffer tank age, in my opinion, sthealth bomber lost some of theyr strategic role.
They never had any.
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Waxau
Unus - Vir Exercitus
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:28:00 -
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How can you spell 'Strategic' and 'Innovation' correctly, yet spell 'Theyre' wrong
Anyhow - The missiles tbh SHOULD hit even if you cloak. If they get a cov ops cloak tho, then many will use that as a new scout, for the sake of near enough instawarping without the need for agility mods. Combined with the fact the black ops would then need a cov ops cloak ;)
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:28:00 -
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I'd go for option 1 then, cus option 2 would make CO frigs useless cuz why use that if u can use a frig with some firepower and same cloaking ability instead? _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 I'd go for option 1 then, cus option 2 would make CO frigs useless cuz why use that if u can use a frig with some firepower and same cloaking ability instead?
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Yuri Vladomirovic
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Posted - 2008.06.17 14:31:00 -
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They have a role: engage surprisingly, strike fast, disappear. The problem is, recon and hac nanogang can do it better.
I think the problem/ and solution is not only by the SB, but in the whole cloaked warfare. Those ships, which are in the cloaker family (covops/sb/recon/blackops) should get something (changing in game mechanic to get some new war scenarios), which would make the cloaked warfare useful.
Bomb deployment should be changed, blackops jumping should be changed, cloaking system usage should be changed, etc.
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Flashh Gorden
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:12:00 -
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Stealth bombers will always have uses. With good misile skills they pack a huge punch for a very cheap price.
The other day for instance we were taking down a POS for a client. The tower was put into reinforce and the guns incapacitated ect.
The owner of the tower repped up all the guns,we wanted to take emdown again before the tower came out of reinforce and the guns would start shooting again. I used a raven and was hitting the small batteries for a whoping 70 odd damage per cruise missile. We tried a Cerb and got better reaults than the Raven but it was infact the bomber that won the day using 2 BCU I was able to get 589 damage per cruise on the small gun batteries.
At the end of the day strategic role or not they are fun to fly,even more fun in a gang of them and come at a disposable price if you dont get silly with your fittings.
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Anaesthera
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:13:00 -
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Quote: why don't make a module which allow cruise missile hit after re-claking?
That is already possible. You fire from 30km or less, and the missiles will hit even if you cloak.
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Karrade Krise
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:32:00 -
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No, no, no, and now again.
1) Just, no... 2) If you can't figure out how to use a stealth bomber as it is...then you don't deserve to warp cloaked in it. 3) I agree that missiles should hit after warping or cloaking. Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods |
Sandrinne Mirterois
Alenia Labs
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sandrinne Mirterois on 17/06/2008 15:36:36
Originally by: Anaesthera
Quote: why don't make a module which allow cruise missile hit after re-claking?
That is already possible. You fire from 30km or less, and the missiles will hit even if you cloak.
i never succed in this..... am i wrong somethings? if it happens i think it should be a game mecanic's bug...?
and if it allready work we all wont be here all sayng that missile should hit even while cloacked
if i'm wrong PLEASE EXPLAIN ME HOW!!! -------- ...qui repentius currunt.... don't need to tank =) |
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:35:00 -
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lets have a look at the manticore (just an example). It can fit 3 t2 Cruise missile launchers (all skills at lvl5) prototype cloack and 2 damage mods. After this it almos runs out of pg and CPU to fit any other decent mods such as mwd (wich is a must have mod in modern days of warp bubbles and dictors), sensor dampeners, ecm or tracking disruptors.
From my point of view this ships needs an increase in CPU and powergrid to be useful. You can start arguying that dont fit BCU, but without them it does such a low damage, that it is not worth flying at all.
Also to become a good ship, I suggest it should be able to use covert ops cloack, so it can warp cloacked.
With those changes, it might be usefull.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.17 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Rissa lets have a look at the manticore (just an example). It can fit 3 t2 Cruise missile launchers (all skills at lvl5) prototype cloack and 2 damage mods. After this it almos runs out of pg and CPU to fit any other decent mods such as mwd (wich is a must have mod in modern days of warp bubbles and dictors), sensor dampeners, ecm or tracking disruptors.
From my point of view this ships needs an increase in CPU and powergrid to be useful. You can start arguying that dont fit BCU, but without them it does such a low damage, that it is not worth flying at all.
Also to become a good ship, I suggest it should be able to use covert ops cloack, so it can warp cloacked.
With those changes, it might be usefull.
I fully agree with the cvops cloak idea. Warping while cloaked is a must-have for all stealth ships.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:02:00 -
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To fix stealth bombers:
1) Make fitting easier 2) Let missiles hit regardless of cloak
Done.
Astro
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Stuart Price
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:13:00 -
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Replace explosion radius bonus with explosion velocity, a lot of explosion velocity. Make them really not care how fast that nano-hac is going, particularly when firing precisions.
Covops cloak would be nice, but would step on covops frigs a bit too much (despite being slower to warp/align and not having a bonus to scan probes but meh). "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Dominatus Crispus
Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:43:00 -
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ok... please note... its called a stealth bomber, not a stealth missler... sure the bonus for cruise missles is nice, but um.. its not a bomb.
use bombs....
fly cloaked.... get close, uncloak, drop bombs, cloak, fly away...
a few seconds later .... booom! 18k+ dmg in 15k radius...
this ship is a great low sec/0.0 ship... high sec might be a bit risky to use bombs. unless of course your suiciding. ____________________
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dominatus Crispus ok... please note... its called a stealth bomber, not a stealth missler... sure the bonus for cruise missles is nice, but um.. its not a bomb.
use bombs....
fly cloaked.... get close, uncloak, drop bombs, cloak, fly away...
a few seconds later .... booom! 18k+ dmg in 15k radius...
this ship is a great low sec/0.0 ship... high sec might be a bit risky to use bombs. unless of course your suiciding.
Erm... last I knew, Bombs could only be used in 0.0 space. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:10:00 -
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-No you cant give it cov ops cloak, no one would use cov ops. And no probing is not reason enough
-No you cant have missiles hitting after you cloak because one single SB could annoy a group all day with no end and be totally invincible. There is no way this should be changed.
-What the should change about the SB is making bomb launching better and cheaper. Thats it. Bombs need to be cheaper and safer to deploy, that way they would have a better role and use.
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Dominatus Crispus
Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arkios Odymei Erm... last I knew, Bombs could only be used in 0.0 space.
never tried in high sec... so can't say for sure. ____________________
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:00:00 -
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One thing I always wanted when flying my manti was the ability to fit torp launchers as well as cruise.
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