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Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:10:00 - [1] CCP for the love of all that is hairy and non-hairy do something about factional standings. There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us? It costs a fortune in tags but most of all there seems to be no way to change standings other than to grind level 4's. You said the player would be in command of FW and yet we have several corps struggling to take part. If I have got this wrong someone let us know how to change standings - we want to move to Gallente but it is nigh on impossible. The game makes changing to the faction you want impractical. Links to how to sort this out would very much be appreciated. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
Kyusoath Orillian Viziam	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:25:00 - [2] Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 17/06/2008 22:34:27 reread. something about factional warfare , changing from one faction to another and tags. yet you are in an alliance. wat.
Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian wat stop read again then post... kkthanx _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54 Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings... If you want to join up a corp, I see no reason why you couldn't play the system a little. If you want to join Caldari, have everyone who doesn't have the required standings to Caldari quit corp for a few days. Sign up your corp (which now has ample standings), and then let the rest of the members rejoin. AFAIK, the militia won't kick you out even if your standings drop back below the required rate. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:33:00 - [5] Well, you did you mention you were heavy Caldari pre-patch. Maybe that's why? I don't think the Gallente militia would appreciate a bunch of Caldari-only mission runners trying to join their military operation right off the bat. First you gotta prove yourself to be loyal to the Federation, then you can join: either by grinding missions with the Gallente together or by spending lots of isk. Courier missions are probably the fastest standings grind, and I'm pretty sure that one level 4 storyline courier was enough to improve my standings by over 0.5 to a single faction. Speaking of which, I have over 0.5 "natural" standings to three of the four factions, so I'm a bit confused with why it's so difficult to get 'em that high for others. Is it just 'cause you only did missions for one faction? Over the last year, I've made sure to do missions with all of 'em (except Minmatar). Plus, I did the noob missions for other noob corps when I could. The standings gained from the noob missions are permanent, AFAIK. --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:39:00 - [6] Originally by: cal nereus Well, you did you mention you were heavy Caldari pre-patch. Maybe that's why? I don't think the Gallente militia would appreciate a bunch of Caldari-only mission runners trying to join their military operation right off the bat. First you gotta prove yourself to be loyal to the Federation, then you can join: either by grinding missions with the Gallente together or by spending lots of isk. Courier missions are probably the fastest standings grind, and I'm pretty sure that one level 4 storyline courier was enough to improve my standings by over 0.5 to a single faction. Speaking of which, I have over 0.5 "natural" standings to three of the four factions, so I'm a bit confused with why it's so difficult to get 'em that high for others. Is it just 'cause you only did missions for one faction? Over the last year, I've made sure to do missions with all of 'em (except Minmatar). Plus, I did the noob missions for other noob corps when I could. The standings gained from the noob missions are permanent, AFAIK. Well, AFAIK you lose standings for killing ships belonging to a faction. All factions give missions where you're expected to kill rival Navy ships which, if you complete them, will lower your standings. I've only ever done missions for Gallente, and I believe I have slightly negative Caldari standings, with pretty poor Amarr standings. If my corp wanted to join Caldari, I'd be dragging down their average standings. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:40:00 - [7] So we were caldari pre-patch why should it be impossible to change post patch??? _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
Neth'Rae Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Natasha Donnan So we were caldari pre-patch why should it be impossible to change post patch??? Who said it's impossible? It's just very hard and tedious.. Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54 Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings... What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Del Narveux Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54 Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings... What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed. Well, then they'll have to grind their way up the old fashioned way. I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction, so I bet grinding away through some of those (and I do believe that the Caldari Navy, seeing as the OP wants to be Gallente, has a handy respawning group sat in orbit around Caldari Prime) might be able to pull you up the level required to run missions again. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Del Narveux Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54 Well, you're only supposed to join a faction you've shown loyalty and dedication to. If you had been loyal and dedicated to the faction you want to join, you'd already have some standings... What about all the people who wound up with bad standing with their faction of choice due to faction standings not having much significance until now? Thats the real problem here, once you dip below -2 youre sort of screwed. thats exactly my point - its an immediate change and there are a lot of corps and people left with no way to adjust. We have an impossible grind and no way to change things. Just try change your plus Caldari to Gallente and you will see the game leave no options for this. It seems really just wrong that we would be left to grind and pay massive amounts of isk to change things. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [12] Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 23:03:44 Just spent a whole night trying to adjust standings after spending a lot of isk on Tags. I got no adjustment at all tonight. I ran level 4's for 5 hours. Thats no change to my personal standing and we have up on 10 members who would like to change things.... How the hell is a corp our size supposed to adjust their standings to join a faction they 'want' to join? Will check this thread for responses before deciding what to do. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [13] you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction. Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group)
Little Matt New Fnord Industries Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Patch86 AFAIK, the militia won't kick you out even if your standings drop back below the required rate. They do. If your standings drop below the required level, you have 36 hours to improve them again or you are booted from the militia. We had a rather unfortunate incident involving ECM burts (don't ask) in a fleet op (yeah, he was that stupid) which resulted in quite a few faction standings hits. Yeah, this is my main, not my militia alt.
Natasha Donnan Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:05:00 - [15] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction. Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group) we would get booted even if we tried to adjust things. _________________________________________ The Girl with the really Starey eyes. http://www.kaminjosvig.org/ http://www.eve-mournival.co.uk/
Katashi Ishizuka Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:06:00 - [16] /signed. But join Amarr, seriously, instead of Gallente. Originally by: Natasha Donnan Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 22:31:46 CCP for the love of all that is hairy and non-hairy do something about factional standings. There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us? It costs a fortune in tags but most of all there seems to be no way to change standings other than to grind level 4's. You said the player would be in command of FW and yet we have several corps struggling to take part. If I have got this wrong someone let us know how to change standings - we want to move to Gallente but it is nigh on impossible. The game makes changing to the faction you want impractical. Links to how to sort this out would very much be appreciated.
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Natasha Donnan Just try change your plus Caldari to Gallente and you will see the game leave no options for this. SOE ? _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
Matalino Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Patch86 I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction It does not. Killing stuff and failing missions will decrease your standings, but there are no derived increases. Originally by: Natasha Donnan Just spent a whole night trying to adjust standings after spending a lot of isk on Tags. I got no adjustment at all tonight. I ran level 4's for 5 hours. It doesn't matter how many hours you spend. What matters is the number of storyline missions you complete. Spending hours grinding through combat missions is a great way to make ISK, but a crappy way to earn faction standings. You are better off spending your time doing courier missions, as it is the quantity not quality of missions that will get you the storyline missions. Only storyline and COSMOS missions will increase your faction standings. Atleast until you can get into the militia and start earning some ranks.
Guillame Herschel The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Natasha Donnan thats exactly my point - its an immediate change and there are a lot of corps and people left with no way to adjust. No way? None? Really? You couldn't decide to just run FW for the faction you already have standings for? Your mind is made up, it is fixed in stone? Is that what you mean? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Patch86 I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction It does not. Killing stuff and failing missions will decrease your standings, but there are no derived increases. Harsh. Looks like I'm just full of misinformation this evening, huh. It really should, incidentally. Something maybe CCP should look in to. Killing a butt load of Caldari Navy should make the Gallente just a teeny bit grateful... ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Matalino Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:15:00 - [21] Edited by: Matalino on 17/06/2008 23:15:02 Originally by: Patch86 Harsh. Looks like I'm just full of misinformation this evening, huh. It really should, incidentally. Something maybe CCP should look in to. Killing a butt load of Caldari Navy should make the Gallente just a teeny bit grateful... The did look into it. You kill far too many rats: derived increases would make it far too easy to build faction standings. The change to derived standings from mission failures was done to plug an exploit: previously the easiest way to get your faction standings up was to train up Diplomacy, then run around failing missions for the opposing faction.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Natasha Donnan Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik you could always join a gallente holding corp and transfer everything over to that corp. Basically Kaminjosvig mk2 or something. You can either hire high gallente standings, join the militia with high faction standing and than get everyone from Kaminjosvig to join after you are in the faction. Individual players might find that they may have trouble with npc fleets in the plexes but it shouldnt take too long to get standings with the militia at least, which should eventually move your faction standing up (if you run the FW missions as a group) we would get booted even if we tried to adjust things. Unlucky than I guess.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Matalino You kill far too many rats: derived increases would make it far too easy to build faction standings. Sure, but not many of them are Navy ships. Aside from the odd mission, you never really killed any Navy ships at all before FW was launched. As long as you make sure the majority of rats (pirates and rogue drones) don't give a faction increase with anyone other than CONCORD (which of course they do atm, in terms of the pseudo-standings security status), I don't see a huge problem with it. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Methesda	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Methesda on 17/06/2008 23:23:24 Natasha, I was having similar problems... Doing ordinary agent missions does not change your factional standing (usually). The big factional changes are STORYLINE missions. You get one of these every 16 or so missions (they are the ones you get mail from agents about). Don't do level 4s. Pull down about 10 level 1's per hour, and you be in the happy place very soon. :-) Originally by: northwesten troll? learn what a troll is moron!
Jmanis Catharg State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:24:00 - [25] I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly?
Methesda	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly? Who said anything about faction hopping? Are you ok in the head? OP wants to join her race faction. Does not have standings. Secretly would like to know how to change the situation. Did not mention faction hopping. Originally by: northwesten troll? learn what a troll is moron!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Methesda Originally by: Jmanis Catharg I've never understood this infernal need to faction-hop. Or do you really think BoB and Goonswarm would let someone hop between their alliances constantly? Who said anything about faction hopping? Are you ok in the head? OP wants to join her race faction. Does not have standings. Secretly would like to know how to change the situation. Did not mention faction hopping. OP is a Caldari from a "high Caldari pre patch" corp. The OP and her corp now want to be Gallente instead. Thats kinda faction hopping. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Jmanis Catharg State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:32:00 - [28] Quote: Who said anything about faction hopping? Are you ok in the head? I drew a parallel between NPC factions and PC alliances. Reading 101 mate. Quote: OP wants to join her race faction. Does not have standings. OP should've thought about that when fighting for the opposing faction. Quote: Secretly would like to know how to change the situation. Did not mention faction hopping. Quote: We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us? High Caldari wanting to go High gallente = Faction hopping. Go away,,, please???
Breyguhn F'lorn Kaminjosvig Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg I drew a parallel between NPC factions and PC alliances. Reading 101 mate. & PC alliances have exactly what to do with this situation? Originally by: Jmanis Catharg OP should've thought about that when fighting for the opposing faction. Because pre-FW he should have been prescient enough to know that grinding missions as an ISK sideline with agents that happened to be around his HQ would one day be detrimental to his sanity. The fact that he (& most of the corp) missioned around Jita as that's where the corp HQ was (purely for market access when not on contract) now means that his FW experience is one of grinding away for ever & a day. When the corp actually started missioning FW was a gleam in somebodys eye, but it certainly wasn't live & how was any of them to know? Originally by: Jmanis Catharg High Caldari wanting to go High gallente = Faction hopping. No it's not, we've not fought for the Caldari yet so how can we hop. We've blown up a fair few Caldari ships along our mercenary way though. This is a moot point unless the corp had already joined the FW on the Caldari side & wanted to swap over after not getting on with it or whatever - this is not the case.
Jmanis Catharg State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.18 00:12:00 - [30] Quote: There are just no real ways to adjust corporation standings. We are high Caldari Pre patch what if we want to go Gallente - we are completely stuck... Why do this to us? Quote: we've not fought for the Caldari yet so how can we hop. Care to sort out these two contradictions for me? High caldari standing means you did a fair whack of stuff to impress them. Be it running mish, popping nothing but Guristas rats etc.. But surely you realised that running missions for caldari meant that you favoured them? Regardless of any future plans existing or not? But there's one solution for you here. Disband and join a corp already fighting for Gallente.

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