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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:52:00 -
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hey guys.. this has happened to me twice now, and i don't know why its happening. i could really use some help as to what rule i'm breaking, so i can avoid getting blown for nothing next time
Lowsec, i have GCC flagged for attacking player. I dock in a station, and wait for the GCC to go off.
After 15 mins, GCC disappers, and I only have a yellow aggression countdown against npcs. So i undock, and get blown up by the station sentry guns.
Should i wait for the yellow timer (for archangels) to go off too?
Is it because I dock during GCC and it somehow signals an infinite kill on sight with the station guns?
any helps appreciated
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Hegotu Alecto
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:58:00 -
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hover over the yellow timer with your mouse and it tells you. say ur in gallente space and u killed someone u get red flag, dock and wait for it to go. if you get a yellow timer afterwards hover and if it says Gallente Navy etc, means the guns will still shoot u. moral of the story dont undock until you know what your aggressed against.
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:00:00 -
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thanks for quick reply, but i actually did that too, like i said it only showed the archangels.
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PantrashMoFo
GALAXIAN Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:01:00 -
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As far as i am aware you will get aggroed by the sentry guns for 15 minutes AFTER the last time one shot you regardless of GCC running out. so best to stay indoors with a cuppa for a few
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TheMightyBoosh17
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:04:00 -
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I have my revenge!!!!!!
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kachak on 18/06/2008 18:04:53 =P Mighty =)))
Pantrash: oh.. that could be it..
Just to clarify.. You mean like if they get a shot at me while i'm docking, they'll still shoot for another 15mins, even if GCC runs out in the mean time?
I'm not sure if they did get a shot on me while I docked, because it was quite an instatn dock.. but ofcourse I'm not 100% certain.
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PantrashMoFo
GALAXIAN Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:08:00 -
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yeah that is my understanding . i got shot by a sentry gun while docking a few days ago and it kept me with an aggro timer for a further 15 mins. dunno why it would happen to you if there was no aggro timer for the station owners though. bugged maybe ?
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:10:00 -
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uhm yea.. see edit^
=(
thanks anyway.. i think i wont dock again before GCC runs out. hope that will solve it
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:17:00 -
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Known bug, already there for some time.
Aggression counter should mention that you have aggression against something else then NPC's but it doesn't.
On top of that, even if you stay docked for 30 mins and only undock after that time, they'll still shoot ya.
To reset it, quickly log off and on again and that bug is gun.
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:18:00 -
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ahh..oke that explains..
thanks Agor
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slymansix
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:30:00 -
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If you have to dock with GCC, make sure you let the station guns shoot you before you dock. If you warp to station and dock straight away the guns somehow remember and fire as soon as you undock even after half an hour and even with no red or yellow counter,
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 18/06/2008 21:12:19 Actually for me it's the other way.
If the sentries are able to get one shot at me while docking, I sometimes have the bug.
If I 'instadock' without them firing, I've never had it. At least, when no sentry gun has fired on me before (belt hunting).
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Giant Haystacks
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:35:00 -
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If you dock with a GCC you get an aggression timer with the station owner, so undocking within 15 mins of docking will get you shot by the station guns. Also being shot by any sentry guns while you have a GCC will reset that timer to 15 mins.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: PantrashMoFo As far as i am aware you will get aggroed by the sentry guns for 15 minutes AFTER the last time one shot you regardless of GCC running out. so best to stay indoors with a cuppa for a few
15 minutes AFTER you've docked as well, regardless of wether they shot you. I'm suprised people don't know that.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.06.19 01:21:00 -
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Not quite true. The current system is bugged, it's best to wait 2-3 minutes after your yellow timer to sentries (if you're in their station) expires before undocking. Assumption of Risk |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.06.19 03:02:00 -
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Its quite simple.
1) You have global criminal countdown of 6 mins left 2) You warp to dock 3) The sentry guns at the station see you, reset their aggresion on you to 15 mins but OH youve docked. They cant shoot at you. 4) You wait out your global 6 mins. You look clear to undock BUT the station guns who didnt get to shoot at you are still counting down invisibly for 9 more mins.
So you need to wait 15 mins from when you docked.
Terrible bug, costs lots of ships and winds up lots of people. But CCP dont give a hoot about pirates so you got to lump it.
SKUNK
SKUNK
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Rhak Amharr
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 19/06/2008 07:52:32 Hey Kachak. o/ Getting Vexors toasted while undocking? :)
What the other posters said is the truth.
Here's what I do: I try my best not to dock/jump/whatever gets me near sentries with GCC. If, for any reason, I have to do it (bio break need and I see probes out or something), and I'm in a ship that can take one or two shots by sentries, I warp to the station at 0, wait until they shoot me, then dock. That way, it will show the "hidden" agression timer, and I don't need to guesstimate when the timer is off.
See you in Siseide, Rhak
Edit: I suk at spelin.
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Aleksandr Cirtus
Stronghold corp CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:20:00 -
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aggrocounter is 17 mins dontchaknow. you can bow b4 me now.
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abbagabba
Monster Raving Loonies
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:32:00 -
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Yep the counter will reset when you are in range of the sentries whether they manage to get a shot off or not, but the counter will only display if they actually shoot you. Ignore all the answers about longer aggro timers / waiting 17 mins etc. Very annoying when you keep resetting the 15 min timer.
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Zafriel
Acidic Reign
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Its quite simple.
1) You have global criminal countdown of 6 mins left 2) You warp to dock 3) The sentry guns at the station see you, reset their aggresion on you to 15 mins but OH youve docked. They cant shoot at you. 4) You wait out your global 6 mins. You look clear to undock BUT the station guns who didnt get to shoot at you are still counting down invisibly for 9 more mins.
So you need to wait 15 mins from when you docked.
Terrible bug, costs lots of ships and winds up lots of people. But CCP dont give a hoot about pirates so you got to lump it.
SKUNK
SKUNK
Its not a bug, its a feature and working as intended.
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Koldz
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:02:00 -
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Kind of off topic. But.. I just wanted to say, Le Skunk, You have the greatest name in the universe. I thought I had a good one with Koldz. But... I wept when I saw yours.
Koldz
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Lavraen
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:19:00 -
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Yeah you deffo have to wait a few extra minutes, just in case after both aggro timers have finished. I usually go and make a cup of tea. Lavraen |
Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:45:00 -
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When you got GCC in lowsec and you stop shooting someone your 15 mins timer start. if you change session (Jump, Dock, Undock) within the 15 minutes the timer will invisibly refresh; meaning that when you dock up (Even if the gate h¦guns didnt shoot you when u docked) you have to wait another 15 mins INSIDE the station. Same deal if you undock.
i haz senior Gm logz of this ___________
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.19 15:17:00 -
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I think I'll just hop between safes next time and avoid docking at all..
Originally by: Zafriel
Its not a bug, its a feature and working as intended.
I just have to disagree with that.. I highly doubt "start an invisible counter when someone with GCC docks without getting shot by station guns" is an intended feature.
This sounds much more believable to me personally:
Originally by: Le Skunk
Terrible bug, costs lots of ships and winds up lots of people. But CCP dont give a hoot about pirates so you got to lump it.
I would have just waited if it wasnt for the "invisible" counter, ya know? =P
Thanks for everyone with all the useful info.
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Not quite true. The current system is bugged, it's best to wait 2-3 minutes after your yellow timer to sentries (if you're in their station) expires before undocking.
This. In some rare cases it will even fire at you after the red and yellow counters have expired, I had one case it simply kept doing this untill I finally re-logged.
It is a bug. The rest of the aggro rules have been clearly described in the thread.
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zafriel
Originally by: Le Skunk Its quite simple.
1) You have global criminal countdown of 6 mins left 2) You warp to dock 3) The sentry guns at the station see you, reset their aggresion on you to 15 mins but OH youve docked. They cant shoot at you. 4) You wait out your global 6 mins. You look clear to undock BUT the station guns who didnt get to shoot at you are still counting down invisibly for 9 more mins.
So you need to wait 15 mins from when you docked.
Terrible bug, costs lots of ships and winds up lots of people. But CCP dont give a hoot about pirates so you got to lump it.
SKUNK
SKUNK
Its not a bug, its a feature and working as intended.
Whatever it is this pretty much has it spot on, if you dock with sentry agro on the station in question more often than not the sentries there will reset agro without a timer for 15 minutes or so. I've kind of gotten used to it, along with the gcc resetting when you jump into new systems sometimes (billboard fires along with the sentries even though you have no gcc, resulting in concord agro). Its all part of the fun
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Niram Tar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK When you got GCC in lowsec and you stop shooting someone your 15 mins timer start. if you change session (Jump, Dock, Undock) within the 15 minutes the timer will invisibly refresh; meaning that when you dock up (Even if the gate h¦guns didnt shoot you when u docked) you have to wait another 15 mins INSIDE the station. Same deal if you undock.
i haz senior Gm logz of this
Dis iz trufhz
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Q'uip
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:44:00 -
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The invisible timer thingie seems to happen quite randomly to me. In once instance I fought at a gate, got global, warped to a safespot, waited for all timers to disappear. Then I warped back to the gate, and the sentries started shooting again
As stated in the Knowledge Base (Linkage):
Quote: Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed.
In other words they say it's game mechanics (though I consider it a bug). I did file a petition for this and the GM informed me that they are investigating why it's not refreshed in certain circumstances...
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Avaricious Zee
Wolf Stone
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Posted - 2008.06.26 13:11:00 -
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I had this happen to me and petitioned it, GM convo'd me and said that most any action will reset the 15 minutes. Docking, jumping, and a slew of other things will cause the 15 minutes to reset. *Non fui, fui, non sum, non desidero* |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.26 13:15:00 -
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Friend of mine had the same happen but it even went a tad further; After his GCC was gone he undocked and concord raped him. He left the system in a pod, picked up a new ship, waited out the timer and relogged, undocked all is clear.
He flies around and enters that same system again where he lost his ship, all of a sudden concord raped him again. No negative faction standings, no timers. Took a GM to fix it.
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