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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dihania Originally by: Mr QUE only takes 1 nano to take down a BS BS can't hit it :)
No.
I have taken down BS's with heavy neuts solo with a nano ship. Its pretty easy really. --
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Angelonico
THERE IS NO NANO PROBLEM - WAKE UP AND FIT YOUR SHIPS RIGHT OR GET SOME FRIENDS WITH OTHER T2 CRUISERS. TRY PUTTING AN F'ING HEAVY NEUT ON YOUR FARMING RAVENS.
But if I put a heavy neut and a smartbomb (to kill drones) in my 2 utility high slots on my Uber ratting Raven, then we're am I going to fit the tractor beam and salvager? lol u must be a noob.
/sarcasm
I don't even have any cruiser skill at lvl 5... I don't fly nano ships. I don't defend them because I don't want ccp to break my toy. I defend them 'cause they're not broken. People's defense against the 'fit your ship to counter' argument is "I shouldn't have to use a specialist fit to counter one type of ship" but they can refit their whole ship from mission to mission depending on what kind of NPCs they'll be facing... it's ridiculous.
So you see no problem with the fact that most of the anti nano setups are infact also nano ships?
The only other answer is the vimpire like battleship. I tryed this, went out in a geddon and found me a group of 5 nanos. After they engaged me and found out my sinister plan they bugged out to 200km and left me sitting there. I probably did suck the target ships cap dry but he had enough momentum to get out of range.
If I want to kill nano it seems I muct become one of them
Um, look in the mirror much? They outnumbered you 5 to 1 and you forced them to stay 200Km off, and you think they are the ones who need nerfing?? Since when were solo battleships supposed to be able to catch cruisers? To me it sounds like your anti-nano fit worked perfectly but your expectations are unreasonable. If Solo battleships were able to catch and kill cruisers, why would anyone fly anything but a battleship?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Angelonico
THERE IS NO NANO PROBLEM - WAKE UP AND FIT YOUR SHIPS RIGHT OR GET SOME FRIENDS WITH OTHER T2 CRUISERS. TRY PUTTING AN F'ING HEAVY NEUT ON YOUR FARMING RAVENS.
But if I put a heavy neut and a smartbomb (to kill drones) in my 2 utility high slots on my Uber ratting Raven, then we're am I going to fit the tractor beam and salvager? lol u must be a noob.
/sarcasm
I don't even have any cruiser skill at lvl 5... I don't fly nano ships. I don't defend them because I don't want ccp to break my toy. I defend them 'cause they're not broken. People's defense against the 'fit your ship to counter' argument is "I shouldn't have to use a specialist fit to counter one type of ship" but they can refit their whole ship from mission to mission depending on what kind of NPCs they'll be facing... it's ridiculous.
So you see no problem with the fact that most of the anti nano setups are infact also nano ships?
The only other answer is the vimpire like battleship. I tryed this, went out in a geddon and found me a group of 5 nanos. After they engaged me and found out my sinister plan they bugged out to 200km and left me sitting there. I probably did suck the target ships cap dry but he had enough momentum to get out of range.
If I want to kill nano it seems I muct become one of them
Um, look in the mirror much? They outnumbered you 5 to 1 and you forced them to stay 200Km off, and you think they are the ones who need nerfing?? Since when were solo battleships supposed to be able to catch cruisers? To me it sounds like your anti-nano fit worked perfectly but your expectations are unreasonable. If Solo battleships were able to catch and kill cruisers, why would anyone fly anything but a battleship?
Um a battleship IS ment to kill cruisers with reletive ease. That was the only time I was engaged by a nano gang, all single nano ships just run for the hills (or im my case 150-500km away). My point is that a neut battleship might work on paper but in eve its hard to kill a nano ship in one since they all just run away.
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Mega Superawesome
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:43:00 -
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I for one welcome our new nano overlords
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Um a battleship IS ment to kill cruisers with reletive ease. That was the only time I was engaged by a nano gang, all single nano ships just run for the hills (or im my case 150-500km away). My point is that a neut battleship might work on paper but in eve its hard to kill a nano ship in one since they all just run away.
Um. No. A BS should be able to kill a pointed/webbed cruiser with ease. That's why we have the role of "tackler".
You survived a 5 on 1 and you're complaining? I don't now how to break this to you, but that does NOT mean that the 5 were overpowered. In fact those 5 guys could with far more justice complain that heavy neut fit battleships are overpowered. Think about it from their perspective: they outnumbered you 5 to 1 and they couldn't safely get with 200Km of you, let alone stop you leaving whenever you felt like it. From the point of view of a fast cruiser gang, your neutrageddon is just as "broken" as you're claiming nanoships to be.
Or, more accurately: you fitted to counter them and it worked.
A fit that would let a battleship catch and destroy 5 fast cruisers would break EvE utterly. You're suffering from a bad case of myopia: you like flying your 'Geddon, and you want it to be able to do everything. But you'll just have to accept that there are some classes of ships that you can't kill, only defend yourself from.
I repeat, if battleships should be able to catch cruisers, why would anyone fly a cruiser?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 22/06/2008 14:03:34 Edited by: baltec1 on 22/06/2008 13:58:33
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1
Um a battleship IS ment to kill cruisers with reletive ease. That was the only time I was engaged by a nano gang, all single nano ships just run for the hills (or im my case 150-500km away). My point is that a neut battleship might work on paper but in eve its hard to kill a nano ship in one since they all just run away.
Um. No. A BS should be able to kill a pointed/webbed cruiser with ease. That's why we have the role of "tackler".
You survived a 5 on 1 and you're complaining? I don't now how to break this to you, but that does NOT mean that the 5 were overpowered. In fact those 5 guys could with far more justice complain that heavy neut fit battleships are overpowered. Think about it from their perspective: they outnumbered you 5 to 1 and they couldn't safely get with 200Km of you, let alone stop you leaving whenever you felt like it. From the point of view of a fast cruiser gang, your neutrageddon is just as "broken" as you're claiming nanoships to be.
Or, more accurately: you fitted to counter them and it worked.
A fit that would let a battleship catch and destroy 5 fast cruisers would break EvE utterly. You're suffering from a bad case of myopia: you like flying your 'Geddon, and you want it to be able to do everything. But you'll just have to accept that there are some classes of ships that you can't kill, only defend yourself from.
I repeat, if battleships should be able to catch cruisers, why would anyone fly a cruiser?
The setup I have only has the drawback of a slow locking time, once locked a none nano cruiser is short work since I have suprior firepower and defences. It would be a twisted world if a battleship was no good vs something with considerably less tonnage.
The problem I am pointing out is that with all my power I am limited in range and most importantly speed, something which a nano ship can and will take advantage of easily. Sure some will charge in to within 10km of me thinking they can handle the neuts but most will scamper when they see them activate.
I have yet to kill a nano ship with this battleship and its not for a lack of trying or (as you have pointed out) a lack knolage and equipment.
As far as I see it the only way to effectivly counter nano it to bite the bullet and go nano yourself.
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Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Neth'Rae Trolling removed. Navigator
while you are at it you should have just Trolling removed. Navigator'd the whole thread
I know WTF OP is clearly a troll.
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Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Neth'Rae Trolling removed. Navigator
while you are at it you should have just Trolling removed. Navigator'd the whole thread
I know WTF OP is clearly a troll.
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