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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:57:00 -
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Learn to fly your BR.
Er, wrong thread
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Sergara Darkthorn
black hearts
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
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no they arent.... a single nano ship is not a solo killing machine.. in a pack and in the hands of well skilled people they are lethal...
I assume you are refering to the recent battles in FW, in which case you will find that new players piloting the likes of caracals or kestrels are being torn apart by said gangs.. of course they will
The best analogy would be like pitching Stephen Hawkings into a boxing ring with Jean-Claude Van Damme...
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic 1. Minnie Recons 2. Heavy Neutralizers 3. Remote Rep Gangs 4. More nanos! 5. Decent tracking 6. Suicide tacklers 7. Forced low transversal, sniper battleships 8. Staying about 15km from any gang mate - making a big "web"
Dur-de-dur.
Astro
You for got ECM. *coughblackbirdcough*
Makes your suicide tacklers into regular tacklers and you take down a 250M+ ship with 10M tops. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen Makes your suicide tacklers into regular tacklers and you take down a 250M+ ship with 10M tops.
If they can catch them. Good luck with a t1 ship getting close. So then we need a bunch of t2 ceptors. It starts to get expensive.
Ceptors can point but not effective web without getting popped quickly. So for every nano we want to fight we need a handful of suicidal tacklers, ecm/logistics etc.
After a certain point it makes more sense to put every one of those pilots in nanos of their own. The best way to kill nanos is more nanos.
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 18:00:53
Originally by: *****zilla The best way to kill nanos is more nanos.
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Yes ofc, it's more easy to use nano ships to kill other nano ships, but it's not always both of the sides are in HAC's. So it's still easy to kill HAC's with BS'es and that if your smart.
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Maeltstome
Suicidal Office Clerks
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:03:00 -
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In gang situations having 1-2 speed fitted tacklers with webs are able to grab members of a nano gang fairly consistently. If you are flying with a curse pilot, nano's always primary them - so plate him up and get the remote reps on. If you can keep him alive long enough to pin down and kill 4-5 ships, mostly the fight is won and the remaidner either die slowly or run.
and faction mods drop off of those wrecks regularly. -------
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:11:23
Originally by: NightmareX
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it. Please do link a killboard link, I'll eat my own hat if you can. It's easy to talk when you don't show anything to back up your hilarious arguments. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it.
I'll add that it needs to be a gang that a nano gang won't just laugh at and ignore. 100 remote repping battleships in a ball might be able to kill nanos but the nanos are far more likely to ignore them entirely and pick off easier targets.
And show me a non nano gang that can go after a nano gang. Effectively if you're not flying nanos the decision to fight is entirely up to the nano.
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:11:23
Originally by: NightmareX
Only noobs need more nano fitted ships to kill nano fitted ships.
Oh really? How about you show me one of your non nano gangs go up against a nano gang and kill it. Please do link a killboard link, I'll eat my own hat if you can. It's easy to talk when you don't show anything to back up your hilarious arguments.
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:42:03
Originally by: NightmareX
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
Uhm how are you not getting killmails? And yeah you do need a killmail to prove it because alot of people talk out of their asses on the forums. You won't be able to show me a fight where you had equal or less numbers and actually managed to KILL a nano gang. Why? Because it doesn't happen. You can go on all day about what you consider fun but you sure didn't do what you claim to have done. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 23/06/2008 19:08:47
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 18:42:03
Originally by: NightmareX
So if 50 of my friends have done it, do i need a killmail from me to prove it?
And not to think about how many times i have got tackled by 2-3 HAC's and when i have made them to run with my Heavy Neut & ECM Dual 650mm T2 guns fitted Tempest. It's not always we get killmails when things like that happens.
But for me, i don't care if i get a killmail or not, also if they run, then they run, then they have run away from me and i have to some point won. And i'm also happy that i didn't got killed by them.
All that matters for me is F U N. And getting killmails all the time is not my fun.
Uhm how are you not getting killmails? And yeah you do need a killmail to prove it because alot of people talk out of their asses on the forums. You won't be able to show me a fight where you had equal or less numbers and actually managed to KILL a nano gang. Why? Because it doesn't happen. You can go on all day about what you consider fun but you sure didn't do what you claim to have done.
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: NightmareX
Maybe you should try out a Heavy Neut Tempest with ECM on sisi and tell me who will win that.
I have tested a Tempest out many times on sisi against many HAC's, and they have soooo many times ended up in my web range. And if they do that, i'll eat them alive in no time. Someone is lucky to get away though. Well my trick is to neut the HAC's when they turn off their MWD. I will first align right to them, and then start the MWD, and then use the neut. You can guess what will happen next.
Yes i know it's sisi, but does that makes my Tempest with the setup i have there + my skills any different from TQ?. No it doesn't, i would do the exact same thing on TQ that i'll do on sisi against HAC's.
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:30:13
Originally by: NightmareX
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
No, it has to be on tranq and you know why. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:30:13
Originally by: NightmareX
If you can wait a little, then let me get some frapses from me in a Tempest against some few HAC's, it will ofc be an aranged fight. Just to stop the whining once for all. Just to prove it that it's not that hard.
Many many players have seen me in action to on sisi, so it's not a problem to get someone to confirm that it's easy to kill some few HAC's in a Battleship alone as long you are using your brain.
No, it has to be on tranq and you know why.
Will you be paying for the HACs? _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 23/06/2008 19:33:05
Originally by: Tenuo
Will you be paying for the HACs?
No, but what I said still stands true for tranq. You can do all sorts of crazy stuff on sisi because you dont have to think about isk. The same does not apply to tranq. You will not be able to find an equally sized non nano gang killing off a nano gang. END OF STORY. Prove me wrong, you guys seem to imply that this happens all the time or is easily achieved. It is a lie at best. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Casino Alkasar
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:36:00 -
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ARg! this realy hurts.. How offen do we have to red this T_T again?
Why not: Bananas are nerfed please nano em.!!
and i dont even fly nano, get a grip. This not the avarage mmorpg where you cant change your maxlvl-*setinstone*-class...
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zcinner
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:43:00 -
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get an hugin and stop crying
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
Go look through Battleclinic, there are hundreds of examples within a few clicks.
Here is a perfect example: Geddon vs Vagabond
Everyone *knows* that a battle ship can't kill a nano, right? Especially the "fastest" of them. Sorry, wrong.
If you need more proof, go watch Kil2's Genesis video. Multiple examples of small gang on gang and solo vs small gang in there also.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
I still would like to see any kind of vague proof of it being possible to KILL an equally sized nano gang with non nano ships. A movie, killboard, anything. You claimed only noobs need nanos to counter nanos, please show something. We all know that is not the case and if you come with claims like that you better back it up with SOMETHING.
Go look through Battleclinic, there are hundreds of examples within a few clicks.
Here is a perfect example: Geddon vs Vagabond
Everyone *knows* that a battle ship can't kill a nano, right? Especially the "fastest" of them. Sorry, wrong.
If you need more proof, go watch Kil2's Genesis video. Multiple examples of small gang on gang and solo vs small gang in there also.
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol". _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:02:00 -
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So Lyria Skydancer, only because it's sisi doesn't mean that some players doesn't take the PVP there very serious.
Like me, i'll take PVP serious on sisi.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Word
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:35:00 -
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Never ask to nerf your opposition's ship, ONLY ask to increase the power of your ship/race!
If you think that "nano-ships" are overpowered, then why don't you rig a speed ship if you think they're so great.
You can do the same thing! If you don't think that a speed setup is good enough for you, then it doesn't need to be nerfed, does it now!
Polycarbon engine housings cost about 50 mil each. Oh wait! you have too much isk, you worked too hard , you need to be nerfed!
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Hi, i too think that nano-ships are overpowered.
Either nanos and similar speedmods should be nerfed, or restricted to ships with a certain role (so that not every ship with few lowslots can go 3km/s+) OR there should be anti-nano modules, that actually can counter nanos in game and not only on paper.
Disclaimer: This is not a whine post but valuable customer feedback (which i give even without taking part in a sweepstakes or receiving a gift).
Obvious troll as I have seen the OP flying the same ships he is whining about.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
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Tarasa
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
*Also in IAC LAWL*
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NightmareX
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: NightmareX Like me, i'll take PVP serious on sisi.
that might have something to do with the fact that its actually the only place you pvp at all
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
im actually pretty sure you could manage to roam around and actually get some kills on tranq if you have the time to spend a few hours on sisi every day.
im sorry, but you and pvp on tranq is just as much a myth as that awsome machariel you once had that could beat everyone but never got undocked
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TheBizzy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: NightmareX
When there is something to do on TQ, then i will be alot there, but now i don't have much time to do any serious things on TQ, so i'll just kill some hours on sisi everyday.
im actually pretty sure you could manage to roam around and actually get some kills on tranq if you have the time to spend a few hours on sisi every day.
im sorry, but you and pvp on tranq is just as much a myth as that awsome machariel you once had that could beat everyone but never got undocked
he'll come with excuses any minute now im pretty sure.. :p
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Tenuo
Dont bother he'll dismiss it as "Oh well the pilot was an idiot lol".
Excuse me but a vaga pilot that manages to die against a geddon is an idiot. True story. I don't know what kind of standards you have in your corp/alliance but it's quite lol.
*talks about standards*
*is in EDF*
Trolling are we, when we run out of arguments? There is no way in fking hell you can convince anyone in this game that a vaga dying to a geddon is not an idiot. You cant and alliance and corp politics have zero to do with this. You know you lost the argument and now youre trying to troll your way out of it by making this into a political discussion. You fail. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
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