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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:21:00 -
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I have been enjoying following developments in the wars, but I was wondering: If one militia faction completely controls all contested enemy systems in a region, or even all contested enemy systems in the game, what happens? I can't see this happening in the Gallente-Caldari war any time soon, but in the Amarr-Minmatar war it is certainly looking like Devoid might be overrun by matari pod-pilots within the next week or so.
Unless there is some reward for these successes, I can see the wars eventually stagnating. Why strive towards occupancy, if all you can then do is attempt to hold it? It's not like null sec, where you get POS fuel benefits. What is the point?
Is it possible that these areas might become uncontested, with NPC factions building up a presence there, and new contested areas opening up? Maybe occupancy could lead to a change in sovereignty? Alternatively, could occupancy of low sec give a staging ground for an NPC fleet invasion into high sec? Perhaps high-sec systems adjacent to an occupied system might drop in sec level, allowing advance deeper into enemy territory? I can't see how any of these could happen under current CONCORD policy.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:24:00 -
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I agree there does need to be and should be tangible benefits if a faction occupies a whole region.
That is if its going to be anything more than 'capture the flag' in space, I dunno if CCP intend it to be. Its fun as it is, but I can see the fun ending if Minmatar totally over-run the Amarr. Though knowing some of the people and corps on the Amarr side, I doubt they will give up any time soon. ----------
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 23/06/2008 18:28:45
The server crashes, is what happens.
In seriousness, I haven't listened to the audio devblogs to see if they've given more detail, but my impression is that the only result, right now, is that the map will show Occupancy of Devoid (in your example) as belonging to Minmatar Republic, and that's it.
CCP has hinted that maybe they'll do more with it in the future, once they're sure there are no exploits or whatnot.
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Dust Walk
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:28:00 -
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:32:00 -
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Once that happens CCP assigns some new guy to check up on why the other side is so un-attractive and this nublet then submits a report after 6-12 months that gets interpreted in a nano-second and filed away.
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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:35:00 -
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I wonder if the rate of advance of the matari forces has taken CCP by surprise? Despite a fairly slow start, they're clearly well organised.
I for one would be most disappointed if the only benefit is a change in map colours. Hopefully, if someone actually does achieve 100% occupancy of a region, this will force CCP to do something, whatever it may be.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:36:00 -
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i think that if you control a constested area (eg black rise) the areas around it become lo sec and you can spread furthur into the next region. so if the gallente get black rise, eg lonetrek opens up
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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:38:00 -
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masternerdguy: that would be great, but I haven't heard CCP state that. Are you suggesting that from knowledge, or merely saying that this is what you would like to happen?
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Anathema Amat masternerdguy: that would be great, but I haven't heard CCP state that. Are you suggesting that from knowledge, or merely saying that this is what you would like to happen?
i dont work for ccp (pfft i wish i did) but this is not my knowledge i just hope this is what happens, and it would be a realistic war simulator. eventually the caldari could take all of hi sec :)
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Asestorian
Domination. Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:44:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that nowhere will become low sec, that isn't already low sec. I'm also not aware of anything in particular happening at 100% region occupancy.
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Roc Wieler
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:44:00 -
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Personally, I don't mind the back and forth. Now when the Minmatar occupy all of Amarr space for six months straight, then yeah, CCP needs to say "Hmmmm, good for them, let's do something to mark this occasion."
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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Anathema Amat on 23/06/2008 18:45:47 I found something that might be relevant:
"As the fighting has spread throughout the inhabited regions of space, many of them have been deemed Combat Zones. Most of these contested regions are located in low-security space, but not all. Regardless of their security level, each of the systems within a Combat Zone contains a System Control Bunker near their stars. These bunkers coordinate all activity within their system's Factional Warfare Complexes."
Clearly, combat zones are not necessarily restricted to low sec. And thus sec rating doesn't have to change in order for new combat zones to develop. This leaves the possibility of expansion of combat zones further into contested regions, and eventual domination of those regions. I just hope CCP are willing to expand those combat zones in a fluid manner. Perhaps, every DT, uncontested systems adjacent to newly occupied systems will become contested? Of course, the question remains as to what would happen if an entire region were occupied, but I could see that being a pre-cursor to a sovereignty change, probably marked by an NPC faction fleet invasion.
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FlameGlow
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:45:00 -
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When Minnies take over Devoid CCP will boost Amarrs and nerf nano, so keep going
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Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Anathema Amat Unless there is some reward for these successes, I can see the wars eventually stagnating. Why strive towards occupancy, if all you can then do is attempt to hold it? It's not like null sec, where you get POS fuel benefits. What is the point?
Shh....CCP is hoping nobody will ask questions like these and quit FW because it doesn't actually matter. Just have fun playing with your toys in the new region and don't as questions.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:46:00 -
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if they dont i see no purpose in fighting such a war except for the lolz of poping gallente pods and thoraxes via blob
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Raymon James
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Anathema Amat I wonder if the rate of advance of the matari forces has taken CCP by surprise? Despite a fairly slow start, they're clearly well organised.
I for one would be most disappointed if the only benefit is a change in map colours. Hopefully, if someone actually does achieve 100% occupancy of a region, this will force CCP to do something, whatever it may be.
That and theirs Galant Faction fleet ships showing up now, so the snoball/bandwagon effect is starting to kick in.
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:53:00 -
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at 100% occupancy the other faction gets free NANO ships to wtfpwn away the other faction again
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Asestorian
Domination. Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:58:00 -
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Shut up about nanos, it just makes you look like a total and utter moron.
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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Anathema Amat Unless there is some reward for these successes, I can see the wars eventually stagnating. Why strive towards occupancy, if all you can then do is attempt to hold it? It's not like null sec, where you get POS fuel benefits. What is the point?
Shh....CCP is hoping nobody will ask questions like these and quit FW because it doesn't actually matter. Just have fun playing with your toys in the new region and don't as questions.
lol - I dunno. If regions can eventually change hands then it kinda matters. Minmatar definitely need some more space to play in, especially with the recent gain of an additional tribe, and the Amarr seem kinda stretched thin. :)
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Edron Dathe
Ratiocinative Combat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian Shut up about nanos, it just makes you look like a total and utter moron.
Agreed.
Personally, I'd imagine that if the Minmatar do end up taking over all Amarr contested zones, which is unlikely looking at recent Amarr Victory Point gains, I'd imagine they'd then go on the rampage and go help Gall.
In fact, a lot of Minmatar pilots are already heading over to Caldari space for combat.
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Anathema Amat
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Edron Dathe
Originally by: Asestorian Shut up about nanos, it just makes you look like a total and utter moron.
Agreed.
Personally, I'd imagine that if the Minmatar do end up taking over all Amarr contested zones, which is unlikely looking at recent Amarr Victory Point gains, I'd imagine they'd then go on the rampage and go help Gall.
In fact, a lot of Minmatar pilots are already heading over to Caldari space for combat.
Is there any way we non-militia people can look up the war statistics? There is only so much you can ascertain from the star map.
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Trina Mador
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Anathema Amat Is there any way we non-militia people can look up the war statistics? There is only so much you can ascertain from the star map.
CCP is making a wonderfull web page about it. Think it should be ready for everyone to see in about 75 months.
And yeah, I do agree that there a lot of questions that need answering about FW, inculing the one asked at the OP. |
Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:10:00 -
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what happens when ones get 100% occupancy of ...?! they will get 5 inch extra manhood for endless nights of passion or at least that is why the latest mail I got says.
If one were to have faith in CCP one would think something special would happen.
If one were to be realistic ... one would think no bloody f**king thing is going to happen.
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Bish Ounen
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:31:00 -
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Have any of you guys ever played the SOE game Planetside?
It's basically the same concept, but on a Planetary scale, instead of a galactic one.
One planet (Auraxis) Multiple continents, and multiple bases on each continent. The object is to capture all the bases on all the continents and turn the planet your team's color.
You capture the bases by overrunning the "Control Console", hacking into it, and holding it until a timer runs out. At that point the base "flips" and becomes yours. Once you capture all the bases on a continent, the continent becomes "locked" for a short period of time, allowing you to move onto the next continent.
It's basically Capture the flag on a massive scale, much like many people are saying FW is like. (Only FW is quite a bit bigger)
I played Planetside for 4 YEARS.
I played on the same Server (Emerald), in the same Empire (New Conglomerate) and with the same "Platoon" (D2A) the entire time. I was playing with them when Emerald NC were the very FIRST empire on 3 servers to actually "Lock the Planet".
It was fun and engrossing and incredibly enjoyable.
Until SOE mucked it up with stupid crap like BFR's, The Flail, the Caverns, and a total lack of game security development. But it was fun for a long long time.
I expect that FW will be much the same (although with better development). Even without permanent capture and conquest, there will be loads of fun to be had for all, and it will be a great PVP training ground for new players.
So don't worry, be happy! Enjoy your Factional Warfare!
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Delusional Mindbender
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Anathema Amat Edited by: Anathema Amat on 23/06/2008 19:46:44 Edited by: Anathema Amat on 23/06/2008 18:45:47 I found something that might be relevant:
"As the fighting has spread throughout the inhabited regions of space, many of them have been deemed Combat Zones. Most of these contested regions are located in low-security space, but not all. Regardless of their security level, each of the systems within a Combat Zone contains a System Control Bunker near their stars. These bunkers coordinate all activity within their system's Factional Warfare Complexes."
Clearly, combat zones are not necessarily restricted to low sec. And thus sec rating doesn't have to change in order for new combat zones to develop. This leaves the possibility of expansion of combat zones further into contested regions, and eventual domination of those regions. I just hope CCP are planning on expanding those combat zones in a fluid manner. Perhaps, every DT, or maybe once/week, uncontested systems adjacent to newly occupied systems will become contested? We already have two locations in which this might happen: Otelen (0.8 sec) and Tuomuta (0.5 sec) in the Bleak Lands. Of course, the question remains as to what would happen if an entire region were occupied, but I could see that being a pre-cursor to a sovereignty change, probably marked by an NPC faction fleet invasion.
I don't think that the non FW people are going to like something like a Faction change of their space. It takes alot of time and ISK to get your faction up and if you have a considerable (POS) investemnt in a high sec system and then the faction changes and you are KOS to the new faction? Not gonna happen.
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Misanth
Electro Fuels
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:07:00 -
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Taking over all space will do nothing but.. letting you control all space.
You already see Minmatar Pilots heading to Caldari-space to help Gallente. Minmatar and Gallente have experienced pvpers with a structure/organisation, better fit ships, and thus things like spies doesn't matter to them (while it do for Caldarinubs). Eventually Caldariplayers will grow bored and stop fighting, Gallente/Minmatar takes over the Caldari low-sec, and from that day on FW will die.
I'm surprised CCP allows players to even capture space, they should just have stayed with the simple version; you're have your free war, to pew pew people on the other side of the fence. Let the low sec stay like it started off as a playground for FW.
The missions and the bunker was a huge mistake. Allowing corps to join to organize themselves internally was another huge mistake (they could still have made it through ingame channels, but still). Gallente and Minmatar isn't superior because their ships. They're simply better through organisation: They play EVE like it's played outside of FW. FC, counter-fits, metagaming (spies etc), just that it's made alot easier for them. No POS to fuel. No boring diplomacy to keep up. No way for the enemies to boot spies. The only way to fight them is to fight on the same term - organize on a higher level.
Amarr and Caldari are destined to lose, and that'll kill FW, as long as structured/organized PvPers keep joining the opposing factions and not their side.
Long story short; nothing will happen when all space is conquered. You just have more space with your factions name on it, and no targets. It'll be just like low sec today, with different names.
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Dotard
Suddenly Samurai
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:11:00 -
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My prediction is once the Minmatar have over run lo-sec on the Amarr front, Minmatar blobs will form and invade Hi-sec.
Rampaging thru Amarr hi-sec popping every FW Amarr they happen across.
It will not be a long time before we regularly see large gangs of the TLF in Amarr local!
All the Amarrs will quit FW and the Minmatar will declare total victory! \/
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Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:15:00 -
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I'm of the mind that CCP has planned for this with a storyline-based "trap door" - if a faction gains absolute control of a war zone for a certain period of time, CCP will open the trap door and "reset" the war zone, justifying it with a RP excuse like, say that Jamyl Sarum goes on a Safari with her new super-weapon. |
Nullity
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem I'm of the mind that CCP has planned for this with a storyline-based "trap door" - if a faction gains absolute control of a war zone for a certain period of time, CCP will open the trap door and "reset" the war zone, justifying it with a RP excuse like, say that Jamyl Sarum goes on a Safari with her new super-weapon.
That sounds about right. Though I hope you're wrong, and FW has more of an effect on 5 Empires/NPC storyline of the game.
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Victor Forge
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Edron Dathe
Personally, I'd imagine that if the Minmatar do end up taking over all Amarr contested zones, which is unlikely looking at recent Amarr Victory Point gains, I'd imagine they'd then go on the rampage and go help Gall.
In fact, a lot of Minmatar pilots are already heading over to Caldari space for combat.
It is extremly likely seeing how much more Victory points Minmatar have compared to Amarr and the fact that soon there will be twice as many Minmatar militia then Amarr militia seeing how few recruits Amarr gets and seeing how many pvp-corps has joined Minmatar.
And all these Minmatar spies in the Amarr militia, that is just overkill.
Yeah, it will be over in 2 weeks, max 3 weeks.
From: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=803864
Minmatar = 4249 pilots +1254 ( 457 kills -138 ) < 23200 victory points +4800 > < 5.46 Victory points per pilot> [ 48 systems controlled +6 ]
Amarr = 2809 pilots +450 (287 kills -92 ) < 18460 victory points +560> < 6.57 Victory points per pilot> [ 22 systems controlled -6 ]
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