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Fausto Rojas
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:31:00 -
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As much as I hate to pay high prices for a GTC, Supply and Demand set the price. Demand seems pretty high, and supply, with the rise in cost, seems to have gone down. Prices will only go down after people start leaving EVE or suspending accounts. No way around it.
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Fellatio Alger
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Posted - 2008.07.15 03:39:00 -
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This is indeed true. Did you notice when supply went down. I believe if the marketing of GTC's was left on the open market (which I can't explain because of ula restrictions) the price of cards would not have gone up as much as they did.
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Salome Musashi
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Posted - 2008.07.15 04:59:00 -
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Wow, this thread probably just saved me some money. I was going to start a second account with GTCs, since my main has more ISK than I have sense, but now I'm not so sure...I suppose eventually the market will reach equilibrium, but I don't think I can pay 1bil or for 60 days, or whatever the market settles on.
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Fellatio Alger
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:01:00 -
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We are hoping it will settle.
The question is will access to GTC's be made difficult to make sure the prices go up. Let's hope not.
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Kirkton
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:19:00 -
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ok i don't think CCP needed to raise the price its a load of crap let me do the math for all you mathless people, maybe i am wrong but look at this.. i see roughly 34,000 people playing everyday sometimes more, but this is a basic number.. so 34,000 people x $14.95/month=$508,300.00 x 12 months=$6,099,600/year thats a good chunk of money, and now they feel the need to make even more..i think thats plenty of cash to pay their bills and put some back for future upgrades, I say Bring back 30day and 90day GTC!!!! stop being greedy, if i am wrong here i am sure you know it alls who have something to say about everything will blast me with how you think i am wrong!!!! CCP stop being greedy or at least answer for your actions
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Kirkton
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre I'd be more than happy to pay for my 2 accounts by bank card if CCP were a little bit more flexible insofar as the cards they accept. Credit card only is restrictive, especially if like myself you have no desire to own one. $15 a month on card plus interest to the gouging company that provides said card. If they accepted Maestro/Switch I would be a happy player. I think a 33% (roughly) hike in GTC is outrageous, more so when you factor in the limitations of time the cards now offer.
I agree with many of you that the 30 day card was easy for newer players and those with multiple accounts to manage. As a result of CCP's changes I 'panic bought' several 90 day GTC and paid my accounts up until January next year... after that, I may have to reconsider my options.
My main gripe with this issue is that I cannot pay for my play via my bank card so I can avoid paying interest. Come on CCP, sort summin out with regard to flexibility. Is fine for you to sit in your ivory towers dictating how and what we should pay, but give us all a little room with this.
Kras.
I pay with my debit, not CC so whats the problem
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Alexis Aurore
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'.
However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble.
It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out.
Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out.
What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers.
Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Aurore Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'.
However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble.
It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out.
Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out.
What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers.
Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/
oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other .
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tpol20
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:04:00 -
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bump
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Superhappy Evetime
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Superhappy Evetime on 15/07/2008 13:41:16
Originally by: Ghost Goat Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 13:22:34
oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other . or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around.
So put simply youre saying the sellers are evil people who are responsible for the price hike and are taking the damage for it? What makes the sellers evil and not the buyers when you have sellers trying (unsuccessfully) to ruin the market and derailing the good portion of normal WTS threads? Do you see buyers trolling WTB threads? Amazing how you justify this all in your head and think you're the good guys and are winning some 'war'.
Wrong, wrong.. and wrong.
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Alexis Aurore
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Goat Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 13:22:34
Originally by: Alexis Aurore Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'.
However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble.
It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out.
Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out.
What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers.
Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/
oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other . or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around.
Now the real world version in your own 'nice words': We have your gametime and if you don't stop trolling our threads with this 'teh sellerz are evil and greedy and its all their fault' war bullshit and start to pay what theyre selling for youre not going to have an active account.. You should check the prices.. you're the one who needs to get a grip.
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:29:00 -
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Quote: or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around.
Wow.. you seem to be living in your own world pal :)
Lets see if you will grasp the following excercise : You people stop buying GTCs with ISK,because you feel GTC sellers are greedy.So what happens? You close up your 23 accounts (the number is of no matter here), and thats it.On the other hand,someone who WANTS to play with his 23 accounts will continue to buy GTCs, which are sold with a price,dictated by the price of GTCs in real cash,since that is how GTC sellers get them.So in the end,if you dont buy em,you dont get to play,because this is (for some vague reasons for me) the only way for you to pay (or maybe the most convenient,i dont know).And you said several times value of 60 day GTCs is 300 million.. i would like to see WHAT math on earth do you use to get that.
Oh and yes.. if you dont wanna buy, that is okay with GTC sellers,but is it okay with you? You have to adapt to the market,not the market to you.You dont like it? Get the f*** out then.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kublai Khaan
Quote: or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around.
Wow.. you seem to be living in your own world pal :)
Lets see if you will grasp the following excercise : You people stop buying GTCs with ISK,because you feel GTC sellers are greedy.So what happens? You close up your 23 accounts (the number is of no matter here), and thats it.On the other hand,someone who WANTS to play with his 23 accounts will continue to buy GTCs, which are sold with a price,dictated by the price of GTCs in real cash,since that is how GTC sellers get them.So in the end,if you dont buy em,you dont get to play,because this is (for some vague reasons for me) the only way for you to pay (or maybe the most convenient,i dont know).And you said several times value of 60 day GTCs is 300 million.. i would like to see WHAT math on earth do you use to get that.
Oh and yes.. if you dont wanna buy, that is okay with GTC sellers,but is it okay with you? You have to adapt to the market,not the market to you.You dont like it? Get the f*** out then.
well first of all you assume that GTC is my only option ,you are wrong .
second this is not something that i decided , the GTC market was here long before this change and it will stand here long afterwards, this shift in price was unnatural ,it happend only because of the system shift , so when this transition shift will be over , prices are back to normal you like it or not , thats how it will be .
you dont want to sell 60 day gtc for 300 mil 350 mil ? get t f*** off you wont be getting my isk .
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kublai Khaan on 15/07/2008 14:43:37 You dont seem to be reading what im writing,just responding some automated shit.I told you I assumed it was the most convenient or MAYBE the only way for you,read that sentence again and again until you get it,mkay?
Second,this change of the market happened because the REAL MONEY price of the gtcs and in the same time the DAYS have both changed in a way that some dont like (thats you).Hence the change in the market in here.More iskies for less days.There is no "OMG THAT PRICEZ IS HIGH ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY".There is no "normal",as you said it,there is the MARKET.
Thing is,i dont need your isk to live on.On the other hand,people who buy GTCs with isk need the GTCs for their accounts.Plain and simple.So have fun with your "many" accounts,or is it "bye bye" because you cant fund your main account? Dibs on this guy's stuff anyway.
P.S. If you have other options for paying stop WHINING like a little sissy and use them,because prices havent changed there.Oh wai---
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:06:00 -
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like talking to a wall
look m8 this is not personal ,u stated your opinion ,move on .
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:10:00 -
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like talking to an idiot.. i stated FACTS not opinion.. you seem to lack common sense.Too bad common sense isnt as common anymore,yeah :(
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:20:00 -
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seller tears are tasty . cry me a river some more
or learn how to make isk in game ...
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:22:00 -
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I already told you,i DONT need your isk to play.. i certainly can make isk ingame.. looks like you certainly cant read tho And this is not a whine.. its a response to your incessant whining.There is a slight difference,but i dont expect you to get it.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 15:30:26
Originally by: Kublai Khaan I already told you,i DONT need your isk to play.. i certainly can make isk ingame.. looks like you certainly cant read tho And this is not a whine.. its a response to your incessant whining.There is a slight difference,but i dont expect you to get it.
i dont know you , i have no idea how much isk you have in game, but seeing as you defending the sellers side i assume you are GTC seller , and if you need to sell GTC's to fund yourself ,what does it implies ? that you cant make money in game for whatever excuse you got , so i can read all right , but seeing as you ignoring the GTC market prices history and all logical argument ,i just have to assume that you are full of BS so to believe is a different matter then reading .
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:38:00 -
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THAT IS WHAT IM TELLING YOU,I DONT NEED GTC SELLING TO FUND MYSELF. GET IT ? holy hell some people are DULL as the walls around me,yep.
And no,i am not a regular GTC seller,but I am a mortal enemy of stupidity,and you are an obvious supporter.Read my first sentence,it proves you cannot read... oh wait,you cant read in the first place.I suppose its a closed circle huh.
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Urizak Lorzar
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Goat if you need to sell GTC's to fund yourself ,what does it implies ? that you cant make money in game
This is the epitome of ignorance. Just because people get isk via selling timecards doesn't mean they CAN'T make isk in game, mostly is means they don't have TIME to make isk in game.
Think about it, if people are selling GTC (real life money for virtual money) in most cases it means they have jobs. And unfortunately, work tends to take up a lot of our time and personal time is limited, on the occasion that some of us want to play EVE, it's nice that we can acquire some in game money and enjoy fuller parts of the game without having to spend countless hours acquiring ISK and phat loot.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:51:00 -
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oh i see , you playing shot the messenger . have fun cause i really do not care well, we will see what the prices will be in a while .
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Kublai Khaan
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:08:00 -
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Look at the forum now. WTB threads for 400 everywhere, 1 for 2x450 and some for 425.. what else do you need? The fact that YOU dont like it doesnt mean someone else wont buy it,you know?
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:18:00 -
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in my original thread i stated that it will probably take at least few weeks/months before a major change , and that i'm only trying to accelerate the process . and you will be surprised but yesterday among the sea of sellers that tried to make most of it ,there where some legit sells at good prices , like 350 mil for 60 days or 155 for 30 days .
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Chop you
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:21:00 -
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WTS 1 X 60 GTC 450mil
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john roe
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:25:00 -
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i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game.
we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem.
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Chop you
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game.
we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem.
i' If it's so sh1tty bye bye i love it i'm makeing loads of isk but i do pay real cash for it :)GTC
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Meroze
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Meroze on 15/07/2008 16:35:07
Originally by: Kublai Khaan Look at the forum now. WTB threads for 400 everywhere, 1 for 2x450 and some for 425.. what else do you need? The fact that YOU dont like it doesnt mean someone else wont buy it,you know?
Take a look at who's buying these over-priced GTCs.
People like,
onte nkest gunts edscz sffs fs Fierce female Outstanding person Anger gentleness Angry eye
You see, macro miners don't really give a **** how much they pay over the odds for GTCs.
So yet again the legitimate players who play Eve as a game (and not use it as a job), are the ones who get screwed by isk-farming parasites.
And yes KNOW I have no proof they are farmers, but frankly I don't care anymore
CCP has sold the soul of this game to the highest bidder.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game.
we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem.
MUHAHA my plot to reduce server lag Successeds
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:44:00 -
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The problem behind this is quite simple.. the American market has moved down, and it's no longer viable for europeans to dodge the higher price..
You can look at it one of two ways 1) American customers bring in $8.83 less per head or 2) Europeans customers bring in $8.83 more per head
Basically, people were buying ETC's to get around that huge increase..
Europeans pay 35% more base + 17.5% tax Brits pay about 3% more on top once again as we are forced to pay in euros (even if we have USD accounts)..
As it stands NOW.. even with the price change Europeans still save 25% by using ETC's.. CCP is "ofc" selling time codes cheaper to reselling sites so they are still making a loss -vs- customers who pay via CC or DD.
For those who say "The euro was launched at the base rate of 1$ to 1€ I need only say that there has been 2 price changes since that time, so ccp could have adjusted the rates at either time.. They are (Like most companys do) looking for the stronger european markets to pull up the weaker american markets.
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