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Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 05:22:00 -
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Looking at the ships and races you notice something. Faction (race 1 + race 2) Frigate Cruiser Battleship
Angel (Minmatar + Gallente) Dramiel Cynabal Machariel Blood Raider (Amarr + Minmatar) Cruor Ashimmu Bhaalgorn Gurista (Caldari + Gallente) Worm Gila Rattlesnake Sansha (Amarr + Caldari) Succubus Phantasm Nightmare Serpentis (Gallente + Minmatar) Daredevil Vigilant Vindicator
Factions using minmatar as one of the skills: 3 Factions using amarr as one of the skills: 2 Factions using gallente as one of the skills: 2 Factions using caldari as one of the skills: 2
I would like for them to think about some of the lesser factions and the ability for them to have faction ships that would make it so that every one had an equal amount of ships that used their spaceship command skills. They have already added implants to some of the lesser factions this would just fill in the feel of the factions even more. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Little Fistter
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Posted - 2008.06.28 17:36:00 -
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Sisters of Eve faction should, I think, bridge the Caldari and Gallente technologies.
Rescuer - Frigate Preserver - Cruiser Hope - Battleship Ark - Transport/Industrial
Faction Bonus 1, 2 and 3 points of warp stabilizer. Maybe would have large cargo areas and huge structures, but be light in attack abilities. Also could have probe bonuses and be relative faster than other ships of the same class (less turret points less mass?)
Just an idea.
Good luck with this idea!
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LITTLE FISTTER
Broken Sigs?
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Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 18:31:00 -
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More combat races would make since since all the normal pirate faction ships are about combat. So the sister thing doesn't seem to fit also that takes the point of the blockade runners unique bonus. And one of them would do it better. |
Hegotu Alecto
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 18:37:00 -
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sounds good, add more diversity, constantly building ont he current races is good but something different would be nice -------------------------------
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Momo chan
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:04:00 -
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In fact another amarr + caldari would even it out till they add 2 new factions of ships to bring them all up to 4 or 4 new factions to bring them all up to 5. |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:04:00 -
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An amarr + caldari faction ship might work really well with faction warfare going on also because they are allies. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:25:00 -
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Some naming and ship-hull suggestions on my part:
Equilibrium of Man (Amarr/Caldari)
Frigate - Nihilist-class Frigate (Punisher hull) Cruiser - Maniac-class Cruiser (Maller hull) Battleship - Murderer-class Battleship (Armageddon hull)
Intaki Syndicate (Gallente/?)
Frigate - Naga-class Frigate (Maulus hull) Battlecruiser - Rhakshasa-class Battlecruiser (Myrmidon hull) Battleship - Khumbakharna-class Battleship (Hyperion hull) Carrier - Mahadeva-class Carrier (Thanatos hull) |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:52:00 -
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Also remember that the hull could be new looking think succubus and other ships. They are not tech two that have a more direct relations ship to the base hull. Like the rattlesnake is a scorpion hull but is on paper a better raven. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.28 21:26:00 -
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I support this. There are two ideas I can offer:
Ulfhedinn (Minmatar/Caldari) - Close combat and speed, Berserkers in space, using missiles may be a bit OP though, granted.
The Seekers of the Void (Amarr/Gallente) - Drones and toughness, religious fanatics seeking ascencion through technology.
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Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar I support this. There are two ideas I can offer:
Ulfhedinn (Minmatar/Caldari) - Close combat and speed, Berserkers in space, using missiles may be a bit OP though, granted.
The Seekers of the Void (Amarr/Gallente) - Drones and toughness, religious fanatics seeking ascencion through technology.
One problem with that is that it keeps the racial spaceship command skills at one more than amarr and caldari. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.28 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fallorn
One problem with that is that it keeps the racial spaceship command skills at one more than amarr and caldari.
That's mainly because Angels and Serpentis both use Gallente/Minmatar as combination, not because my offered combinations don't exist. A even distribution would have all empires to be used three times but with the angel/serpentis double you'll end up with a Gallente/Minmatar bias.... -------- Ideas for: Mining Vote! |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.28 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Fallorn on 28/06/2008 22:03:38 Other corps that have implants like the pirate corps in the history and game: * Nomad: Bonus to Agility. Faction: Thukker Problem: minmatar and they already have one more than caldari/amarr.
* Harvest: Bonus to Mining Laser range. Faction: ORE Problem: they have ships already see mining barges.
* Virtue: Bonus to Scan Probe strength. Faction: Sisters of Eve Problem: Humanitarian organization most likely not making awesome ships.
* Edge: Reduction in Booster side effects. Faction: Syndicate Problem: Another gellente group.
Mordu's Legion Command The origin of Mordu's Legion lies in the Gallente-Caldari War when a group Intaki military personnel sided with the Caldari. problem: is its gellente + caldari. Their implants from rev 3: * Centurion: Bonus to optimal range of ECM, RSD, Tracking Disruptor and Target Painters. Faction: Mordus
Rogue drones: Some factions mix and mash them together into a set of three ships. problem: most likely gellente + ________ and as seen gellente already have one more than caldari/amarr.
Possible fix that would make the bias equal. It would be like the amarrian sansha.
Royal Khanid Navy: The Royal Khanid Navy consists of ships designed by the Dark Amarrians themselves, with a bit of help from the Caldari, which the kingdom has always held good relations with. Possible solution: It is amarr + caldari and with faction warfare going on it might make enough since to have a group of ships. Only thing they would need would be a quick set of low grade implants. And it would fit the roles of having implants and having faction ships that use two different spaceship command skills. |
Halycon Gamma
Felicis Umbra
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Posted - 2008.06.28 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 29/06/2008 00:01:03 Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 28/06/2008 23:59:51 I like anything that puts more hulls in the game. But to be honest. I don't want a general all purpose ship. There are lots of those already in the game, and most of the current faction implementations are just larger stronger more pew pew versions of well rounded ships that are already in game. I like limited usability in ships, stuff thats very good at one thing, and maybe not worthless in another, but at least highly crippled outside of its area of influence.
So personally.. I think we should be moving toward a more focused look at ship role design with not just faction ships, but all ships. Which CCP seems to be doing anyway. So I'll support this, not because I think there is any real imbalance on faction ships, they are simply there. But more because I think something interesting could come of it if someone can think up a way to implement them for pew pew that, either doesn't already exist, or is currently setup in some anemic way which with a little love could make it a truly viable playstyle.
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Little Fistter
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:38:00 -
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Ohhhh... All great ideas, really.
Also, how about using the elite officers faction (maybe Mordus or EOM) to offer a faction Command, Recon and Logistics Ship?
Requires less skills but not as robust as the Empire faction ships, maybe with some slight nerf to the command/recon.logistic bonuses?
It might offer people a way to experiement with these skills before they commit to seven weeks training or more.
Side comment to the reaction to my idea about a Sisters of Eve faction set: I did want to specialize the SoE Faction to be good a survival but weak on defense, all ships do not have to be PvP buffs!
Oh, and to the guy who suggested an Ore faction, yes, they could have faction version of the Mining Barges (NOT exhumers though) to give advanced (Exhumer-like) abilities to miners who lack all the skills. More cargo space, mining bonuses, a little faster and a little stronger. Add a faction hauler from them too maybe.
Good ideas all, hope CCP is aware of this.
Still, great thread, thanks to Fallorn for a good idea. |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.29 17:22:00 -
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Main thing I want is an even number of ships for each space ship command skill to help with. I mean its not like one it matters much since I am working on getting ever races cruiser to 5 and I already have all their weapon systems up to cruiser lvl t2. I just want Caldari amarr people to have the same footing as gellente minmatar and right now they have 3 less ships. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:31:00 -
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Supported. I love the idea of new ships that represent these factions and fill out the rosters - they can add color to the background and variety to the playing field.
Good idea.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:16:00 -
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Well was raised to the CSM discussion but failed to get enough votes to be escalated.
Discussion can be seen from the chat here
Well I tried :)
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Some naming and ship-hull suggestions on my part:
Equilibrium of Man (Amarr/Caldari)
Frigate - Nihilist-class Frigate (Punisher hull) Cruiser - Maniac-class Cruiser (Maller hull) Battleship - Murderer-class Battleship (Armageddon hull)
This is an excellent idea, given they are in the game already flying those ships.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:12:00 -
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Supported, excellent idea.
Always used to see EOM as Amarr/Gallente crossbreeds, but hey, that's my opinion. Would love to see Ammatar ships in an Amarr/Minmatar or Minmatar/Caldari skillset :P
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Madam Kaktar
Jenova's Witnesses
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:47:00 -
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I'd love more pirate faction ships. There is one problem with your logic though. There are only 2 pirate factions that use Gallente and Minmitar factions, at least from an RP perspective. The ships received through Serpentis aren't serpentis ships, but rather Guardian Angel ships, which are a sub-division of Angel Cartel.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Rickenbocker on 09/07/2008 23:28:48
Current Combos: Minmatar/Gallente = Angel & Serpentis Minmatar/Amarr = Blood Raider Gallente/Caldari = Gurista Amarr/Caldari = Sansha
Remaining Combos: Amarr/Gallente Minmatar/Caldari
Seems kinda odd that the Minmatar/Gallente combo would be used twice. Id think Angel would be better off as a Minmatar/Caldari combo (judging from location, tank type, and supposed Jove origins [friends of Minmatar/Caldari races]). Serpentis works well as a Minmatar/Gallente combo due to the friendly relationship between the Serpentis and Angel factions. That would leave the Amarr/Gallente combo.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Some naming and ship-hull suggestions on my part:
Equilibrium of Man (Amarr/Caldari)
Frigate - Nihilist-class Frigate (Punisher hull) Cruiser - Maniac-class Cruiser (Maller hull) Battleship - Murderer-class Battleship (Armageddon hull)
EOM ships would be sweet, but the way they work, they are Amarr ships that use hybrid guns and armor tanking. They should be an Amarr/Gallente mix (which is currently missing) since the Amarr/Caldari skillset is used by Sansha. Problem is, they dont hold any space and are solely mission rats. Doesnt stop me from wanting to fly a sleek blue/silver hull though~! (new space to play around in?)
Minor factions I think should be one race only. Thukker would get Minmatar, Mordu would get Caldari, Sisters/Intaki would get Gallente, Khanid(?) would get Amarr. Who else am I leaving out? Only issue with this setup is that Gallente gets two sets, and Khanid doesnt need faction ships since they are already incorporated into the Amarr T2 (half the ships are of Khanid design thereabouts). ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:56:00 -
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a.. ah... drone using faction ship would be nice. --------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. " |
MenanceWhite
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: MenanceWhite on 10/07/2008 11:53:21
Originally by: Manfred Rickenbocker Minmatar/Gallente = Angel & Serpentis
Equilibrium of Man (Amarr/Caldari)
Note that theres already 2x minnie + gallente combos. Allow 2x caldari + amarr combes too.
Blue sleek hull is nice. Make them armor tanking ships with split rail/missile weapons.
Oh and Apoc for bs, blood is already using geddeon. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Lady Starfire
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Posted - 2008.08.16 17:09:00 -
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Can any one think of other factions currently in game and the race combos they use?
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Jenny' JoJo
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:09:00 -
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EoM Ships - YES. Amarr/Caldari Combos as Minmatar already has multiple combos already.
For those who do not know, EOM ships are like Shield tanked apocs that use rails etc. |
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