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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria I wouldn't mind being sugar coated
I am almost 100% sure your a guy....But I love the corp name "Groping hand"
Damn you CCP! Why did you have to make such a good game?? Yes you drew me back AGAIN! Oh well wheres the Omber? |
Fudikysser
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass Edited by: Iva Soreass on 07/07/2008 11:16:45 I said it once and i say it again, Suicide ganking isn't the problem...its the insurance. NO insurance PAYOUT if concorded simple as that, insert the 'Risk Vs Reward' that this game is ment to have cause at this time suicide ganking has zero risk vs reward.
This. Remove those stupid insurance! What insurance company would insure ships that are designed to get blown up. Like Lloyds would insure warships in wartime And if they would, nobody could afford the damn insurance anyway!! Insurance is the closest CCP gets to WoW.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: hall monitor Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00 It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO
Stop running around in a ill-equiped ship. I cant tell you how many times sombody gets High sec ganked, only to find out they have NO ARMOR/SHIELD resistance. All them extra mid and low slots are there for a reason. USE them. Better yet dont use industrials, use transports. And the other thing mate....if you travel AFK...your going to get it...Jump to 0 is a good tool to use....
Damn you CCP! Why did you have to make such a good game?? Yes you drew me back AGAIN! Oh well wheres the Omber? |
Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:33:00 -
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You relize this is like asking the Arabs to tell terrorist groups not to suicide bomb 'cause it's silly? How would they ban it anyway?
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adriaans
Amarr Ascendant Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:35:00 -
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no, it would oversaturate the market, just don't fit multibillion officer stuff on (or in) your ship, or should people flying with that in low sec be invulnerable as well now? (the fun with flying insane expensive ships (inc. fittings) is the risk of loosing it!
about freighters, what ccp should really do is add +1 low slot (and +30cpu) to them so they can fit a t2 damage control, that would over double their EHP. or you can just make insta warp BM's? or just carry not that expensive stuff....
Don't nerf insurance, t2 fitted ships (hint t2 mods) cost far enough to loose for a pvp'er already, thats not to even mention t2 ships...:/ (if you disagree, try living SOLO in low sec for 2 months, engaging more or less everything...)
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot Suicide Ganking is broken.
solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Clytamnestra
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Killa Chick trading of kill rights
This is the only 'solution'. It's a fair and balanced system.
Seconded. I would love for this to happen.
Agreed. It was a sad disappointment for me when I found out that "bounty hunter" is not a viable profession.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend Edited by: Melor Rend on 07/07/2008 11:25:30 I generally agree with the OP. Suiciding should still remain possible in EVE but should NEVER EVER be a source of income for anyone except if it's a merc-contract.
Why?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
adriaans
Amarr Ascendant Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Sergeant Spot Suicide Ganking is broken.
solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord.
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this i do agree with too btw -sig-
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Vladimir Griftin
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Killa Chick trading of kill rights
Brilliant idea, and a very 'EVE' solution, suicide ganking is easy because people don't see it coming.
Retribution will be balanced because when the ganker is flying his loots to Jita he wont see the bounty hunter coming.
Removing insurance from CONCORD kills is a dumb idea, and would end up forcing more players to leave than suicide ganking ever would.
Newbies routinely do stupid things and lose their mission Ravens to CONCORD, taking a ~50mill hit to learn a lesson isn't so bad. Losing 200mill is a big difference for an honest mistake.
The last thing anyone wants to do is punish new players too severely for mistakes that they WILL make.
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Rafael Cane
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:07:00 -
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I have also supported not to pay any insurance to suicide gankers.
Concord is broken in some way, BUT it also depends on the players on the "non-criminal" side what to make out of it. There could be player driven protection squads or such just like anti-pirate corps. A nano logistics/ewar duo and almost any suicide attempt will fail.
And this would be more satisfyeing to rely purely on game mechanics. Transferable killrights would make it even more fun.
IŠm already planning just to look out around jita when my skills are higher and to spit in some suicide gankers metagaming.
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Noelle Fay
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:10:00 -
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nope, it's fine as it is.
EvE is harsh world. Now go and ragequit cause you lost all your valuable carebear stuff -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke. |
Marquis Zenas
Gallente m3 Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Killa Chick trading of kill rights
THIS!
This one feature would suddenly make bounty hunting a viable profession. Could possibly implement it as well as a change to the bounty system so that the bounty is collected when the kill rights are carried out.
Originally by: Akita T The Drake is designed with a 5-minute AFK timer... enough for the launchers to empty the full FoF rack, reload, and eagerly await your F1,F2...F7 keypresses.
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Rafael Cane
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Noelle Fay EvE is harsh world. Now go and ragequit cause you lost all your valuable carebear stuff
Please donŠt flame because you just want that the game stays NOT harsh for suicide gankers.
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rafael Cane
Originally by: Noelle Fay EvE is harsh world. Now go and ragequit cause you lost all your valuable carebear stuff
Please donŠt flame because you just want that the game stays NOT harsh for suicide gankers.
It doesn't really matter what you do. People will still haul millions or billions worth in goods in untanked ships and they will still get suicide ganked, come to the forums and whine about and the circle will once again revolve. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend Edited by: Melor Rend on 07/07/2008 11:25:30 I generally agree with the OP. Suiciding should still remain possible in EVE but should NEVER EVER be a source of income for anyone except if it's a merc-contract. ... and maybe also some sort of change so the suiciders can't loot the items from their victim. That way anyone is still able to suicide other players but will only do so if it's personal or if they have a contract to kill the victim (and not as a cheap ISK-soruce).
No no no no no NO! What a terrible idea! __________________________
Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream. |
Guillight BLue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Griftin
Originally by: Killa Chick trading of kill rights
Brilliant idea, and a very 'EVE' solution, suicide ganking is easy because people don't see it coming.
Retribution will be balanced because when the ganker is flying his loots to Jita he wont see the bounty hunter coming.
Removing insurance from CONCORD kills is a dumb idea, and would end up forcing more players to leave than suicide ganking ever would.
Newbies routinely do stupid things and lose their mission Ravens to CONCORD, taking a ~50mill hit to learn a lesson isn't so bad. Losing 200mill is a big difference for an honest mistake.
The last thing anyone wants to do is punish new players too severely for mistakes that they WILL make.
I don't agree. You get a CLEAR warning when you try to attack another player in High Sec space. So if you still continue attacking another player then you do so at OWN risk!
1. No insurance payout when destroyed by CONCORD. 2. When looting a can from another player a severe hit on security standing and insta flagged for destruction by CONCORD forces.
As Suicide gankers always operate in groups. One player that suicides and at least another in a large ship to haul the loot. So this way both players of the Suicide gank group get flagged and penalised accordingly!
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Jeanne D'Eve
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:42:00 -
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Suicide ganking is fine and should be part of the game. I agree that the problem is the gankers receiving insurance for the ships Concord destroys. If I willfully blew up or set fire to my home, I don't think my homeowners insurance would give me a cent.
jd
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus It's easy to avoid yes but when are people supposed to fly faction fitted ships, is it another alliance only feature?
Faction fits make sense if you want to overcome another player to get an edge he (hopefully) doesn't have. They certainly aren't needed for missions, since no edge is needed there.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:44:00 -
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Lets face it. Its time CCP ended the OP,
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jeanne D'Eve Suicide ganking is fine and should be part of the game. I agree that the problem is the gankers receiving insurance for the ships Concord destroys. If I willfully blew up or set fire to my home, I don't think my homeowners insurance would give me a cent.
jd
and if you took your home (mobile) into a war zone? would they pay then ? insuracne stops for low sec and 0.0 then too by that logic... its cool with me. But know what your asking for.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 07/07/2008 13:49:40
Originally by: Guillight BLue
As Suicide gankers always operate in groups. One player that suicides and at least another in a large ship to haul the loot. So this way both players of the Suicide gank group get flagged and penalised accordingly!
loot in a frig, loose it. stuf is in a Corp owned wreck (double the loot popping chance tho) 3rd guy now loots it profit.
nice try tho. would stop loot thiefs too. win..
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Guillight BLue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Jeanne D'Eve Suicide ganking is fine and should be part of the game. I agree that the problem is the gankers receiving insurance for the ships Concord destroys. If I willfully blew up or set fire to my home, I don't think my homeowners insurance would give me a cent.
jd
and if you took your home (mobile) into a war zone? would they pay then ? insuracne stops for low sec and 0.0 then too by that logic... its cool with me. But know what your asking for.
Being at risk or commiting plain Suicide is a big difference ;)
Cheers
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Rakivic
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:49:00 -
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Quote: This issue was raised by the Council of Stellar Management at the first CSM meeting on 19th June, together with a set of solutions. CCP are aware of it
Good, now why in the hell dont CCP do someting about it....I actualy fell safer in low sec than hi-sec latly because of the shear number of this bull shit (suside ganking) that is taking place ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one |
Guillight BLue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Guillight BLue
As Suicide gankers always operate in groups. One player that suicides and at least another in a large ship to haul the loot. So this way both players of the Suicide gank group get flagged and penalised accordingly!
loot in a frig, loose it. stuf is in a Corp owned wreck (double the loot popping chance tho. 3rd guy now loots it profit.
nice try tho.
It's not some small cans they go for lol. It's the big boys with billion worth of loot they target. I would love to see you try loot that in your cheap T1 frig ;)
nice try too tho.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 07/07/2008 13:52:19 I name all my transport ships, "T2 mod Hauler", "Megacyte to Jita" or "BPO Transport" so i can better identify my ships.
Haven't been popped yet! __________________________
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Killa Chick trading of kill rights
Best idea imo. get a new mini profession out of it. Gank Squad hunters.....
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Its so insanely easy to avoid getting suicided.
Autopilot = Bad.
And remember if your ship doesn't contain cargo that is worth more than the suiciding ship, you won't be attacked. If it does, try a T2 hauler with some stabs!
It's easy to avoid yes but when are people supposed to fly faction fitted ships, is it another alliance only feature?
People have been running around in faction fits for years and now all of a sudden people are scared to traverse high sec in them? Grow some manhood.
I never ever run anything faction, make a mental note. I'm talking about people whose goals are to pimp their ships, what sense does it make anymore?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 07/07/2008 14:01:32
Originally by: Guillight BLue
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Guillight BLue
As Suicide gankers always operate in groups. One player that suicides and at least another in a large ship to haul the loot. So this way both players of the Suicide gank group get flagged and penalised accordingly!
loot in a frig, loose it. stuf is in a Corp owned wreck (double the loot popping chance tho. 3rd guy now loots it profit.
nice try tho.
It's not some small cans they go for lol. It's the big boys with billion worth of loot they target. I would love to see you try loot that in your cheap T1 frig ;)
i have killed 8 freighters and 17 CRNS b4 I went to -10. along with a few dozen haulers.
Cruisers can scoop most loot from BS's
T1 hauler will scoop everything upto transports. freighters are different matter, but that would just give freighter immunity (unless you had hauler squads setup to be lost.
I know better than most how it works mate...
nice try too tho.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:02:00 -
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Suicide ganks should not be removed.
Insurance payouts for CONCORD kills should be.
Logical balance to the entire system.
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