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Lemia
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Posted - 2004.05.20 14:30:00 -
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Could someone tell me what a good thorax setup would be like, just for pve, doesn't hurt if you write about the pvp setup either .
What I need to know the most is what kind of weapons I should have fitted, I know that hybrid gives bonus to it, so could do some nice dmg, but how is the range etc... Anyways, just write what you think the best setup is for a thorax
thanks
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GenocidalSpliff
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Posted - 2004.05.20 14:46:00 -
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Depends what size rat's/spawns you want to go up against. Theres 2 decent setups i can recommend:
1: Hi = 4x 250mm railguns (named prefered), 1x small smartbomb Mid = 1x Med shield booster, 1x 10mn MWD, rest is down to preference, you could have 2 hardeners or amp's or cap recharges/tracking mod. Low = Whatever you need to fit the above setup grid wise, and the rest in cap relays or damage mods.
2: Blasters: Hi = 3-4x Neutron blasters, 1-2x Ion blasters (named obviously) Mid = Low = same as above.
Both these would work well providing you though about the rats you are going to be fighting when choosing the hardeners etc.. The blaster setup is more risky but is nice and fast, especialy when combined with 8 heavy drones (ogres). Depending on the size of the spawns, i would recommend taking: Antimatter, Thorium and Iridium ammo for the rails, maybe some iron if your up against big spawns.
With the blasters just warp in, use the mwd in burst to get right in the middle of the rats, unleash the drones and deal lots of death with antimatter ammo :)
Chances are your going to be webbed, warp scrambled and poked in the eye several times with the blaster setup, but dont be scared of taking a little damage :) 2004.08.22 21:03:00 combat Your Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I perfectly strikes callonious [BSC], wrecking for 236.9 damage. |
Lemia
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Posted - 2004.05.20 14:55:00 -
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ok, thanks alot for the answer GenocidalSpliff
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Tensure
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Posted - 2004.05.20 15:33:00 -
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nar better set-up is hi:five 250 rails (named wud b good) med:med shield booster, hardner(choose depending on wot ur fightin) and a cap recharger low:1 damage mod, 3 power diagz and 1 reacter control
gives good cap and the rails will do the power
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Gail
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Posted - 2004.05.20 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gail on 20/05/2004 16:08:23 Depends on your skills etc, but I am using the below setup currently. Those named guns cost 4-6m a piece so would not use em before you get used to what your ship can do.
3 x 250mm Railgun I (with Iron) 2 x 125mm Railgun I (with Antimatter)
1 x MWD 1 x Medium Shield Booster II (C5-L works well too) 1 x Medium Shield Extender (or hardener, mostly using extender for rats tho)
1 x Magnetic Field Stabiliser I 2 x Capasitor Power Relay I 2 x Power Diagnostic Unit I
Change some lows to Warp Core Stabilisers, if hunting below 0.5 systems.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.05.20 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tensure nar better set-up is hi:five 250 rails (named wud b good) med:med shield booster, hardner(choose depending on wot ur fightin) and a cap recharger low:1 damage mod, 3 power diagz and 1 reacter control
gives good cap and the rails will do the power
Am I missing something here?
Thorax has 700mw base powergrid so with engineering level 5 and 1xrcu and 3xpdu we get
700*1.25*1.1*1.05*1.05*1.05 1114.21mw
5x250mm use 5*225mw = 1125mw
You canŠt even fit the guns let alone anything else useful. Are you sure you didnŠt mean 3 rcu and 1 pdu? Even so I have never been able to fit 5 250mm rails on my thorax without to many sacrifices. __________ Capacitor research |
The Pegasus
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Posted - 2004.05.20 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: The Pegasus on 20/05/2004 16:36:51 I use:
Highs: 4x 250mm Rails (named Scout I, mainly Iridium ammo) 1x Small SmartBomb
Meds: 1x AfterburnerII 1x Photon Scattering Field
Lows: 3x Overdrive Injector Systems 2x Power Diagnostic Systems _______________________________________________________________ [ 2004.04.14 12:26:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Guardian Initiate, wrecking for 172.8 damage. |
redfield
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Posted - 2004.05.20 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: redfield on 20/05/2004 19:03:43 this one should be for pvp...
basicly i would go for armor instead of shild due to lack of midslots and the already low shild base on the thorax... cant fly the thing but it would look something like this 5 electronic blasters, mwd, scrambler, cap injector, 1 medium armor rep, 2 hardeners, one warpstab and powercontroll unit. guess that should fit...
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GenocidalSpliff
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Posted - 2004.05.20 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Originally by: Tensure nar better set-up is hi:five 250 rails (named wud b good) med:med shield booster, hardner(choose depending on wot ur fightin) and a cap recharger low:1 damage mod, 3 power diagz and 1 reacter control
gives good cap and the rails will do the power
Am I missing something here?
Thorax has 700mw base powergrid so with engineering level 5 and 1xrcu and 3xpdu we get
700*1.25*1.1*1.05*1.05*1.05 1114.21mw
5x250mm use 5*225mw = 1125mw
You canŠt even fit the guns let alone anything else useful. Are you sure you didnŠt mean 3 rcu and 1 pdu? Even so I have never been able to fit 5 250mm rails on my thorax without to many sacrifices.
Not to mention the fact that vs a spawn of decent rats with no mwd u would get ur anus handed to you 2004.08.22 21:03:00 combat Your Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I perfectly strikes callonious [BSC], wrecking for 236.9 damage. |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.05.20 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: redfield Edited by: redfield on 20/05/2004 19:03:43 this one should be for pvp...
basicly i would go for armor instead of shild due to lack of midslots and the already low shild base on the thorax... cant fly the thing but it would look something like this 5 electronic blasters, mwd, scrambler, cap injector, 1 medium armor rep, 2 hardeners, one warpstab and powercontroll unit. guess that should fit...
Do not tank cruisers if you are using them for PvP.
Try this:
5x Heavy Electrons Blasters
1x 10MN MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Scrambler
3x Cap Relay 2x Damage Mod
8x Heavey Drone
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deathbyfire
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Posted - 2004.05.20 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: deathbyfire on 20/05/2004 21:14:17
Originally by: Alowishus
Do not tank cruisers if you are using them for PvP.
Try this:
5x Heavy Electrons Blasters
1x 10MN MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Scrambler
3x Cap Relay 2x Damage Mod
8x Heavey Drone
/me shakes his head *sigh*
that isn't a good setup for pvp adn here is why... 1) elecs are onyl good against frigs (a little hardening of shilds adn tehy are worthless agaisnt cruisers and battleships)tehy will also hav eteh highest tracking of the 2 types 2) if you are going against frigs tehn teh heavy dornes will be useless agasint frigs after teh next patch 20 hammerheads or 40 scouts would be much better 3)i don't knwo what peopel fasination with CPR are but i think they rather suck 3 PDU will give you back most of teh losses form fitting that mwd wile boosting your recharge in effect incressing your recharge rate. also the PDU inresses teh amot of damage you can take nto buy much but the added shild hp help when fighting frigs. but i agree tankins cruisers is pointless you will still get raped by battleships at range. also teh only tiem i sue armro repaiers is when i am hunting rats so when i hit a big spawn that eats through my armor i can repaier it after teh battel is over adn go to teh next belt or while waiting fo ra new group to spawn at teh basses. -------------------------------
Evolve and adapt or die. The choice is yours to make and no one elses. "Your current safe bounries were once unsafe frontiers"-unknown "Stupid people, can't live with them, and can't kill them because there would only be 1000 people left to play eve."-Me :D |
Shin Taka
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Posted - 2004.05.20 21:17:00 -
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To get 5x250mm rails, you need, at least 2xRCUs if i remember, and then 3xPower diags. Can squeeze a medium sheild booster in.
The setup hurts like hell, but as Dudty Puppy says, uses way too much grid, and has very little in the way of cap or options. Defence sucks :(
But, its a fun setup, and hurts like hell. Really skill heavy thou... -----------
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redfield
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Posted - 2004.05.20 21:50:00 -
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well ive never used cruiser, but am i shooting in the dark with that setup?
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iLLumino
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Posted - 2004.05.20 22:12:00 -
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Blaster all the way, backed up by some drones... If you are scared, go for a SB aswell....
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.05.20 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 20/05/2004 22:48:11
Originally by: deathbyfire Edited by: deathbyfire on 20/05/2004 21:14:17
Originally by: Alowishus
Do not tank cruisers if you are using them for PvP.
Try this:
5x Heavy Electrons Blasters
1x 10MN MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Scrambler
3x Cap Relay 2x Damage Mod
8x Heavey Drone
/me shakes his head *sigh*
that isn't a good setup for pvp adn here is why... 1) elecs are onyl good against frigs (a little hardening of shilds adn tehy are worthless agaisnt cruisers and battleships)tehy will also hav eteh highest tracking of the 2 types 2) if you are going against frigs tehn teh heavy dornes will be useless agasint frigs after teh next patch 20 hammerheads or 40 scouts would be much better 3)i don't knwo what peopel fasination with CPR are but i think they rather suck 3 PDU will give you back most of teh losses form fitting that mwd wile boosting your recharge in effect incressing your recharge rate. also the PDU inresses teh amot of damage you can take nto buy much but the added shild hp help when fighting frigs. but i agree tankins cruisers is pointless you will still get raped by battleships at range. also teh only tiem i sue armro repaiers is when i am hunting rats so when i hit a big spawn that eats through my armor i can repaier it after teh battel is over adn go to teh next belt or while waiting fo ra new group to spawn at teh basses.
You do realize that a Heavy Electron Blaster and a Heavy Nuetron Blaster do similar damage over time, right? I've seen three Ruptures with Dual 180mm autocannons take down a Mega, but Dual 180s suck, right? This setup is for use with other people, imagine three or four of these ships and a few Blackbirds against a BS. No cruiser setup is going to wtfpwn a battleship if he is alone.
If you're picking a PvP setup that works when you are alone then you better have warpcore stabs and a couple of MWD because you are going to need to run away from 75% of situations. I always plan on fighting in groups. The above setup is an awesome damage dealer for a cruiser, couple this with some Blackbirds and other cruisers and you have a powerful force.
Why would I use a PDU to get better cap recharge? A PDU is only good when you need a little grid, otherwise there are better ways to get any one of its other features. If I was running blasters continually I'd personally rather have better cap recharge. 3 CPR > 3 PDU for cap recharge. PDUs work pretty well if you just need something to fill a low slot up.
I could probably take away the CPRs, add PDUs and run better guns. I didn't try it. I know the above setup will fit.
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deathbyfire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: deathbyfire on 21/05/2004 01:23:36 acuualy they don't ions do adn in most battles overtime when in a thorax doesn't cut it ions are teh all around best bet for a blaster rax great tracking adn great damage with a great rof adn works well agaisnt all ship classes teh nuets work great against crusiers and bs adn if your skills are high enough the ions over time wont do as much damage as nuets that behign all important skilsl at lvl 5 there rof will decress more teh cap usage will decrese more and teh damage will be a lot higher so the rof is a little bit slower but not by much adn teh damage is much much higher. and that is not only what PDU are used for. not only do they give cap recharge but they also incress cap size in esence tehy increas teh recharge rate by more than it says they do. adn they also help with shields recharge adn cap i tend to ignor teh extra grid they give -------------------------------
Evolve and adapt or die. The choice is yours to make and no one elses. "Your current safe bounries were once unsafe frontiers"-unknown "Stupid people, can't live with them, and can't kill them because there would only be 1000 people left to play eve."-Me :D |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.05.21 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 21/05/2004 04:26:43 Here's the formula I use:
Antimatter Ammo HP*Damage Mod*Shots fired in 30 seconds = DOT
Heavy Electron Blaster: 24*1.75*10 = 420
Heavy Nuetron Blaster: 24*3.25*5.714285714 = 480
Looks similar enough to go with the Electrons to save grid/cpu. Numbers don't lie, dude.
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xemous
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Posted - 2004.05.21 07:06:00 -
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******************the thorax,*********************************************** ***********-high-********-med-*****************-low-************************ ********(am ammo)******************************************************** *******250mmrail****_a_ shieldboostamp***_a_ caprelay************************ ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail****_a_ shieldbooster***_a_nathercaprelay*********************** ************************************************************************** ****250mmrail*****_a_ hardener*******yet one more cap relay****************** ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail************************_a_ rcu****************************** *************************************************************************** ****************************************_a_ diag*************************
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.05.21 07:53:00 -
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Ahhh! My eyes!
Hmmm... I don't think that worked out as you planned, bro.
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GenocidalSpliff
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Posted - 2004.05.21 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: xemous ******************the thorax,*********************************************** ***********-high-********-med-*****************-low-************************ ********(am ammo)******************************************************** *******250mmrail****_a_ shieldboostamp***_a_ caprelay************************ ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail****_a_ shieldbooster***_a_nathercaprelay*********************** ************************************************************************** ****250mmrail*****_a_ hardener*******yet one more cap relay****************** ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail************************_a_ rcu****************************** *************************************************************************** ****************************************_a_ diag*************************
What in gods name are you attempting to do? 2004.08.22 21:03:00 combat Your Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I perfectly strikes callonious [BSC], wrecking for 236.9 damage. |
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.05.21 08:11:00 -
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There is a lot of discussion here about what weapons to mount on the thorax. But here's something to consider:
A thorax without a microwarpdrive is useless for pvp. Period.
As for whatever combination of weapons you use, that is less important and can vary with individual style of play. Cruisers work best in teams, so make sure your target is appropriately webbed, jammed, and scrambled, and it really won't matter if you're not doing as much damage as somebody else's uber setup. A team of one or two thoraxes and a blackbird can be devastating.
Garreck Aeternus Crusade
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Rekiem
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Posted - 2004.05.21 08:18:00 -
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Hi: 5 x 250mm
Med: 2 x Hardener 1 x Medium Shield Booster
Low: 1 x Cap Relay 3 x Reactor Control Unit 1 x Magnetic Stabilizer II
For this you need Engi 5, Elec 5 and Weapon Upgrade 4.
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The Pegasus
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck A thorax without a microwarpdrive is useless for pvp. Period.
That comment is nuts...my Thorax has a max speed of 450 m/sec without MWD (using ABII instead). Most MWD users are armortankers, so even with MWD they are barely reaching 450m/sec, but have a 25% shield strength penalty. _______________________________________________________________ [ 2004.04.14 12:26:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Guardian Initiate, wrecking for 172.8 damage. |
Garreck
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 21/05/2004 11:50:00 Edited by: Garreck on 21/05/2004 11:48:10
Originally by: The Pegasus
That comment is nuts...my Thorax has a max speed of 450 m/sec without MWD (using ABII instead). Most MWD users are armortankers, so even with MWD they are barely reaching 450m/sec, but have a 25% shield strength penalty.
I'm speaking from many months of cruiser combat against many skilled enemies. If your thorax is moving anywhere less than 1km a second, it's going to get wrecked before it is capable of doing any damage.
You must understand: the thorax is strictly a close-in combat vessel. You have to be able to get close enough to use at the very least 250s with antimatter, (12km or so depending on your gunnery skills) preferably blasters, and you must be able to stay within that range.
With regards to armor tanking...don't bother. A thorax's best defense is to out-damage its target, which it can do with ease. Trust me: a thorax at its optimal range and 8 heavy drones isn't going to notice the shield penalty...any cruiser will be dead in seconds, and any battleship should be jammed by your supporting blackbird.
Garreck Aeternus Crusade
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Sophie Marceau
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: xemous ******************the thorax,*********************************************** ***********-high-********-med-*****************-low-************************ ********(am ammo)******************************************************** *******250mmrail****_a_ shieldboostamp***_a_ caprelay************************ ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail****_a_ shieldbooster***_a_nathercaprelay*********************** ************************************************************************** ****250mmrail*****_a_ hardener*******yet one more cap relay****************** ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail************************_a_ rcu****************************** *************************************************************************** ****************************************_a_ diag*************************
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:18:00 -
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5x Heavy Ion Blaser + Antimatter (140tf + 750mw)
1x 10mn MWD (50tf + 150mw) 1x Webber (25tf + 5mw) 1x 7.5k Warp Scrambler (30tf + 5mw)
3x Reactor control (60tf) 1x 800mm Nanofiber (21tf + 200mw) 1x Mag Stab II (30tf + 5mw)
With Engineering 4, Electronics 4, and Weapon Upgrades 4: 356/360tf 1115/1118mw
With Hull Upgrades 4, it'll have 2.3k armor or so. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:36:00 -
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High
4 * Ions 1 * M Nosferatu
Medium
1 * MWD 1 * Webifier 1 * Scrambler (7.5Km)
Low
2 * PDUs 3 * Hardeners (Expl/Kin/Therm)
With the hardeners you effectively double your armour with no speed-loss, the M Nosferatu keeps your guns ticking over (once they're patched on TQ), and the Ions are obviously the damage dealers. Drone-wise, try and use ones that do damage in the spectrum they aren't hardened in. A good bet are Wasps, since Kinetic is a damage-type that works nicely all-round.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda 5x Heavy Ion Blaser + Antimatter (140tf + 750mw)
1x 10mn MWD (50tf + 150mw) 1x Webber (25tf + 5mw) 1x 7.5k Warp Scrambler (30tf + 5mw)
3x Reactor control (60tf) 1x 800mm Nanofiber (21tf + 200mw) 1x Mag Stab II (30tf + 5mw)
With Engineering 4, Electronics 4, and Weapon Upgrades 4: 356/360tf 1115/1118mw
With Hull Upgrades 4, it'll have 2.3k armor or so.
That's pretty good. I'd toss the 800mm, and an RCU and add a CPU and another damage mod. That's just me though.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Pandora Panda 5x Heavy Ion Blaser + Antimatter (140tf + 750mw)
1x 10mn MWD (50tf + 150mw) 1x Webber (25tf + 5mw) 1x 7.5k Warp Scrambler (30tf + 5mw)
3x Reactor control (60tf) 1x 800mm Nanofiber (21tf + 200mw) 1x Mag Stab II (30tf + 5mw)
With Engineering 4, Electronics 4, and Weapon Upgrades 4: 356/360tf 1115/1118mw
With Hull Upgrades 4, it'll have 2.3k armor or so.
That's pretty good. I'd toss the 800mm, and an RCU and add a CPU and another damage mod. That's just me though.
I'd disagree.
From my experience with the Thorax, it simply can't take enough damage, especially if the person is semi-ready for you. The shields go in seconds, especially if they're using cruise missiles, and the armour doesn't last much longer. 2*400mm plates, a single 800mm plate or hardeners go a long way in keeping the Thorax alive.
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.05.21 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: xemous ******************the thorax,*********************************************** ***********-high-********-med-*****************-low-************************ ********(am ammo)******************************************************** *******250mmrail****_a_ shieldboostamp***_a_ caprelay************************ ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail****_a_ shieldbooster***_a_nathercaprelay*********************** ************************************************************************** ****250mmrail*****_a_ hardener*******yet one more cap relay****************** ************************************************************************** *****250mmrail************************_a_ rcu****************************** *************************************************************************** ****************************************_a_ diag*************************
That post is crazy...it actually looks like a Megathron being viewed from the front-right side of it.
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