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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:58:00 -
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So I ran the numbers of both, with a bit of tweaking the phoon comes out on top IF i carry the current setup on the ships. raven: 5 cruise launchers, cloak, tb and salvager in highs, mids being 3 T2 em hardeners, large T2 booster, and large T2 extender....lows having two T2 BCU, one T2 cargo expander and two T2 PDU's with 5 med T2 drones.
The Typhoon: 4 cruise launchers, 2 salvager's, tb and a cloak in the highs.. mids being 3 T2 em hardeners and T2 large booster... lows having 3 T2 BCU, 2 T2 PDU, 2 T2 cargo expanders. and using 5 heavy drones (T1 only right now).
According to EFT the phoon comes out on top 353 vrs 346 total DPS, volley wise the Raven comes out on top..but single volleys won't take out the rat bs...the raven also has more total HP than the phoon setup, but as the npc rats haven't cut past the shield setup yet thats not to big of a problem..in fact I wouldn't expect either to last long if I get jumped. The phoon also has a larger hold at 1018m3 to the ravens 843m3...
Guess the question is does anyone use a setup like this on the phoon? Does this sound completely screwed up (would NOT be a first for me, a passive shield tanked vexor anyone?)...this is def not for pvp, just solo ratting when not working on other things.
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:58:00 -
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So I ran the numbers of both, with a bit of tweaking the phoon comes out on top IF i carry the current setup on the ships. raven: 5 cruise launchers, cloak, tb and salvager in highs, mids being 3 T2 em hardeners, large T2 booster, and large T2 extender....lows having two T2 BCU, one T2 cargo expander and two T2 PDU's with 5 med T2 drones.
The Typhoon: 4 cruise launchers, 2 salvager's, tb and a cloak in the highs.. mids being 3 T2 em hardeners and T2 large booster... lows having 3 T2 BCU, 2 T2 PDU, 2 T2 cargo expanders. and using 5 heavy drones (T1 only right now).
According to EFT the phoon comes out on top 353 vrs 346 total DPS, volley wise the Raven comes out on top..but single volleys won't take out the rat bs...the raven also has more total HP than the phoon setup, but as the npc rats haven't cut past the shield setup yet thats not to big of a problem..in fact I wouldn't expect either to last long if I get jumped. The phoon also has a larger hold at 1018m3 to the ravens 843m3...
Guess the question is does anyone use a setup like this on the phoon? Does this sound completely screwed up (would NOT be a first for me, a passive shield tanked vexor anyone?)...this is def not for pvp, just solo ratting when not working on other things.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Suboran on 08/07/2008 00:11:14 phoon
4x arby seige 2x autocannon salvager and tractor beam
100mn mwd 2x cap recharger II named target painter
large armour rep II 3x active hardener dcu II 2x bcu II
auxilary nano pump 2x ccc
use em ammo but carry enough to have 600m/3 cargo space
anchor giant secure cans in the system of choice and haul alloy from each spawn and dump it there and reload.
edit: use 5 ogres and some light drones
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Suboran on 08/07/2008 00:11:14 phoon
4x arby seige 2x autocannon salvager and tractor beam
100mn mwd 2x cap recharger II named target painter
large armour rep II 3x active hardener dcu II 2x bcu II
auxilary nano pump 2x ccc
use em ammo but carry enough to have 600m/3 cargo space
anchor giant secure cans in the system of choice and haul alloy from each spawn and dump it there and reload.
edit: use 5 ogres and some light drones
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:11:00 -
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I'd dump the cargo expander. Not much need if you're grabbing only the bs mins. At the end of spawn leave the cheap stuff behind if you must. It'll all fit for a triple bs spawn in a raven.
Don't forget you need a mwd. This means your setups will suffer from cap. So cap rigs are useful. You'll have to dump the extender for a mwd. Then use another pdu in the lows or a dc t2.
You're going to need em hardners and an omni tank. So 1x em hardners, 2x invuln if I remember.
Dump the cloak and get another launcher. Get another launcher in trade of the salv if you must. Use the cloak if you must.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:11:00 -
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I'd dump the cargo expander. Not much need if you're grabbing only the bs mins. At the end of spawn leave the cheap stuff behind if you must. It'll all fit for a triple bs spawn in a raven.
Don't forget you need a mwd. This means your setups will suffer from cap. So cap rigs are useful. You'll have to dump the extender for a mwd. Then use another pdu in the lows or a dc t2.
You're going to need em hardners and an omni tank. So 1x em hardners, 2x invuln if I remember.
Dump the cloak and get another launcher. Get another launcher in trade of the salv if you must. Use the cloak if you must.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Gimpb on 08/07/2008 00:14:33 Personally I'd go for something that can operate ammo-less out there like a domi, ishtar, or an amarr ship, but you might not have that option. Even with low skills though, I would expect something like a geddon or harbinger to be spectacular for ratting in the drone regions.
If you're worried about spacing out and getting caught with your pants down, fit a heavy neut, it might save you.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Gimpb on 08/07/2008 00:14:33 Personally I'd go for something that can operate ammo-less out there like a domi, ishtar, or an amarr ship, but you might not have that option. Even with low skills though, I would expect something like a geddon or harbinger to be spectacular for ratting in the drone regions.
If you're worried about spacing out and getting caught with your pants down, fit a heavy neut, it might save you.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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I'd set the ships up completely differently. But that's just me.
I rarely use/need a cloak on my ratting ships. I was going to make a comment on salvage/expanders, but if you're in drone region that's more important I suppose. I'd consider torps on the ships though, regardless, and use a MWD for range. Also, 3x EM hardeners? You sure that's the best way to go (put another way, don't drones do non-em damage as well?)
Both ships can work well for ratting, although Phoon tends to excel as a ship with higher SP. If you're just fitting missile launchers though, the Raven will win out in DPS if you ditch the cloak and just fit a sixth launcher. Also, if you go with torps, the Raven will have a range advantage, which may/may not matter. Depends a bit on your skills I suppose.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla I'd dump the cargo expander. Not much need if you're grabbing only the bs mins. At the end of spawn leave the cheap stuff behind if you must. It'll all fit for a triple bs spawn in a raven.
Don't forget you need a mwd. This means your setups will suffer from cap. So cap rigs are useful. You'll have to dump the extender for a mwd. Then use another pdu in the lows or a dc t2.
You're going to need em hardners and an omni tank. So 1x em hardners, 2x invuln if I remember.
Dump the cloak and get another launcher. Get another launcher in trade of the salv if you must. Use the cloak if you must.
Beat me to it.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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I'd set the ships up completely differently. But that's just me.
I rarely use/need a cloak on my ratting ships. I was going to make a comment on salvage/expanders, but if you're in drone region that's more important I suppose. I'd consider torps on the ships though, regardless, and use a MWD for range. Also, 3x EM hardeners? You sure that's the best way to go (put another way, don't drones do non-em damage as well?)
Both ships can work well for ratting, although Phoon tends to excel as a ship with higher SP. If you're just fitting missile launchers though, the Raven will win out in DPS if you ditch the cloak and just fit a sixth launcher. Also, if you go with torps, the Raven will have a range advantage, which may/may not matter. Depends a bit on your skills I suppose.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla I'd dump the cargo expander. Not much need if you're grabbing only the bs mins. At the end of spawn leave the cheap stuff behind if you must. It'll all fit for a triple bs spawn in a raven.
Don't forget you need a mwd. This means your setups will suffer from cap. So cap rigs are useful. You'll have to dump the extender for a mwd. Then use another pdu in the lows or a dc t2.
You're going to need em hardners and an omni tank. So 1x em hardners, 2x invuln if I remember.
Dump the cloak and get another launcher. Get another launcher in trade of the salv if you must. Use the cloak if you must.
Beat me to it.
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