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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:04:00 -
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Change the drone bonus to neut range bonus. Kthxbye. --
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:06:00 -
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Wrong forum, and it's been discussed to death.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:07:00 -
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i like my appear out of nowhere, battlecruiser class tank, eat your cap and tear you to pieces recon, remember kids variety is good
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald i like my appear out of nowhere, battlecruiser class tank, eat your cap and tear you to pieces recon, remember kids variety is good
Hehe --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this |
Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Arvald i like my appear out of nowhere, battlecruiser class tank, eat your cap and tear you to pieces recon, remember kids variety is good
Hehe
hey it works for me , jsut dont have as broad a range of targets as the curse but any turret based bc/bs is going to have a hard time with me
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 17:26:49
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Arvald i like my appear out of nowhere, battlecruiser class tank, eat your cap and tear you to pieces recon, remember kids variety is good
Hehe
hey it works for me , jsut dont have as broad a range of targets as the curse but any turret based bc/bs is going to have a hard time with me .
or would you rather we are all flying around in the same ships, just with different skins ^_^
I wasn't reffering to your ship choice...i think you forget our little duel --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this |
Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 17:34:38
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 17:26:49
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Arvald i like my appear out of nowhere, battlecruiser class tank, eat your cap and tear you to pieces recon, remember kids variety is good
Hehe
hey it works for me , jsut dont have as broad a range of targets as the curse but any turret based bc/bs is going to have a hard time with me .
or would you rather we are all flying around in the same ships, just with different skins ^_^
I wasn't reffering to your ship choice...i think you forget our little duel
....ok in my defence that was only my second time flying one in actual combat dammit
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 17:34:38
Originally by: Drek Grapper
I wasn't reffering to your ship choice...i think you forget our little duel
....ok in my defence that was only my second time flying one in actual combat dammit
Hehe me too. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this |
Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 17:34:38
Originally by: Drek Grapper
I wasn't reffering to your ship choice...i think you forget our little duel
....ok in my defence that was only my second time flying one in actual combat dammit
Hehe me too.
....oh you can go right to hell
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:05:00 -
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Give it a much better base cap recharge, so it can try for a non injected setup
Alternatively another midslot and the grid to fit an injector or cap battery in there would be very nice.
I am agreed with Arvald though, cloaky lolninja ftw
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:42:00 -
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Fix pilgrim! kkthxbye ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Horny girl1
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:40:00 -
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ahh Pilgrim is really good ship for cynos..amm wait...isn't almost every ship good for cyno ?
/me confused
CCP just doesn't face the true that Pilgrim is ship with no use than scouting and making cynos
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:01:00 -
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Tbh I cant see the need to buff the Pilgrim at all.
The Curse is better to use as a solo-pwnmobile (actually the most powerful combat recon), so use that if you want to solo. If you're afraid to loose a ship, put a cloak on your Curse and deal with the drawbacks. If you want to fly Pilgrim, fly in gang.
Anyway, giving the Pilgrim the range bonus on its neuts that the Curse has (changing for the drone bonus on amarr cruiser, insta-lvl5 rofl?) would be stupidly overpowered.
If anything, changing the neut amount bonus to a neut range bonus might be an idea, having both bonuses in addition to cloakwarp would be too much.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:05:00 -
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Cargo bonus please so it fits with its Cov Ops hauler role. --
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Mou'adib
Gallente Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Captator Give it a much better base cap recharge, so it can try for a non injected setup
Alternatively another midslot and the grid to fit an injector or cap battery in there would be very nice.
I am agreed with Arvald though, cloaky lolninja ftw
this, since we have to use neuts, it needs more cap to perma run.
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor Tbh I cant see the need to buff the Pilgrim at all.
The Curse is better to use as a solo-pwnmobile (actually the most powerful combat recon), so use that if you want to solo. If you're afraid to loose a ship, put a cloak on your Curse and deal with the drawbacks. If you want to fly Pilgrim, fly in gang.
Anyway, giving the Pilgrim the range bonus on its neuts that the Curse has (changing for the drone bonus on amarr cruiser, insta-lvl5 rofl?) would be stupidly overpowered.
If anything, changing the neut amount bonus to a neut range bonus might be an idea, having both bonuses in addition to cloakwarp would be too much.
I have bolded the bits where you failed:
1) 'better use as a solo-pwnmobile' - pilgrim is not designed as a solopwnmobile, it is meant to be the worst nightmare ever of a ratting ship in a belt - it is designed to go in behind enemy lines, and disable all tanking, and in the case of turret ships, dps, and chew you down. Against more than one ship, it is nearly always fail. It cannot fulfil this role at the moment, as it cannot a) kill the cap on a target fast enough, or b) survive while doing so.
2) The cloak is not because 'you are afraid to lose' it, it is an ambush and scouting aid, here you clearly misunderstand the reason the pilgrim has amount not range bonus (also echoed in 4)
3)Pilgrim is a solo ship, effectively designed for 'assassination' of single targets in belts or alone in space somewhere, it doesn't work in a gang, it can fulfil no role that another ship cannot fulfil better, arbitrator is more useful as it can provide same long range turret disruption role at a fraction of the cost (and also is more able to do so, due to being lower down an FC's kill priority list, and curse is far far superior in gang, for both long range turret and cap destabilisation. The only ships I would take a pilgrim out with, are either other pilgrims (faster cap death and more dps, assuming same setup and skills double both => 4x faster kill speed roughly), or perhaps a probing arazu.
4)I think most people in this thread stated that they did not want the range bonus, as it completely obliterates the very specific flying style of the pilgrim.
5)Range bonus is pointless without amount bonus, you would barely be able to overcome the natural recharge of a battleship's capacitor like that, let alone cap them out quickly enough to kill them before support can be organized/arrives, also see 2): you fail to understand the role of the ship.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:04:00 -
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My pilgrim boost.
20% reduction in CPU cost of recon probe launchers per level of recon ships. +1 highslot, no spare fittings. I think that quite fits its role nicely, amirite?
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Captator
1) ...
Exactly what I tried to say, its not a solopwnmobile. Reading comprehension ftw?
What puzzles me tho is the role description you're giving, sounds like a solo role.
Originally by: Captator
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Here you failed to get the irony This remark was geared towards the people wanting the pilgrim to be a cloaked curse, which is nonsense.
Originally by: Captator
3) ...
This is exactly the problem you have with the pilgrim, you're trying to use a ship for solo that isnt designed for it.
Tbh if I had to choose pilgrim or arbitrator for my gang, I'd go with pilgrim, but you might see it different.
Originally by: Captator
4) ...
Erm, flying style? You mean trying to neut from inside overheated web range?
Originally by: Captator
5)...
Amount bonus without range bonus is about as pointless tbh. Still it would enable the ship to effectively use its cap warfare and ewar in gang.
Not for solo use tho
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter My pilgrim boost.
20% reduction in CPU cost of recon probe launchers per level of recon ships. +1 highslot, no spare fittings. I think that quite fits its role nicely, amirite?
We have a winner!
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Elhina Novae
Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Cargo bonus please so it fits with its Cov Ops hauler role.
Lol i wonder if you're actually serious or just full of sarcasm towards CCP :P Somebody set up us the bomb |
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter My pilgrim boost.
20% reduction in CPU cost of recon probe launchers per level of recon ships. +1 highslot, no spare fittings. I think that quite fits its role nicely, amirite?
No.
We need a real fix. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor Tbh I cant see the need to buff the Pilgrim at all.
The Curse is better to use as a solo-pwnmobile (actually the most powerful combat recon), so use that if you want to solo. If you're afraid to loose a ship, put a cloak on your Curse and deal with the drawbacks. If you want to fly Pilgrim, fly in gang.
Anyway, giving the Pilgrim the range bonus on its neuts that the Curse has (changing for the drone bonus on amarr cruiser, insta-lvl5 rofl?) would be stupidly overpowered.
If anything, changing the neut amount bonus to a neut range bonus might be an idea, having both bonuses in addition to cloakwarp would be too much.
LOL because we ALLLL know Pilgrim is such a win gang ship rofl --
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
LOL because we ALLLL know Pilgrim is such a win gang ship rofl
QFT. Tbh, there is alot of comedy comments in this thread. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name |
Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:44:00 -
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I think most people are just growing cynical.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Lance Fighter My pilgrim boost.
20% reduction in CPU cost of recon probe launchers per level of recon ships. +1 highslot, no spare fittings. I think that quite fits its role nicely, amirite?
No.
We need a real fix.
I dont understand. People in this thread have stated that the pilgrim is meant to be somewhat of a nightmare to all people who are alone in lowsec or 0.0... This makes that a reality.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
LOL because we ALLLL know Pilgrim is such a win gang ship rofl
Its an ew/capwarfare ship, intended to work with others. Hence its tendency to suck solo.
However it can tank obscene amounts of dps with a logistics or in a RR gang if you want, staying cloaked is a nice feature if you want your ewar unnoticed (thats why falcon > rook usually, and TDs are nice ewar if you're facing turrets).
The only reason the Curse works solo is because its 32km neuts > everything else if 1vs1 and it can be n*noed, if it werent for that it would suck too. Pilgrim is just the stepchild because it doesnt get the range bonus, but basically both are intended for gang support.
The Curse might be usually the primary choice (neut range, better to n*no), but this doesnt mean the ugly brother isnt viable at all. Pilgrim is more friendly to remote tanking, can tank pretty good on its own even, and it can cloak.
As someone pointed out already, its much better for deadspace than the curse is.
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:26:00 -
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Marcus didn't you post a very similar more productive thread on this same topic a few weeks ago?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Corduroy Rab Marcus didn't you post a very similar more productive thread on this same topic a few weeks ago?
Yes, I did thanks for noticing :D (Really mean it). However, I think you've forgotten this is EvE-O, and CCP only listen to people that whine 24/7 so I figured I might as well join what I can't beat. --
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
LOL because we ALLLL know Pilgrim is such a win gang ship rofl
Its an ew/capwarfare ship, intended to work with others. Hence its tendency to suck solo.
However it can tank obscene amounts of dps with a logistics or in a RR gang if you want, staying cloaked is a nice feature if you want your ewar unnoticed (thats why falcon > rook usually, and TDs are nice ewar if you're facing turrets).
The only reason the Curse works solo is because its 32km neuts > everything else if 1vs1 and it can be n*noed, if it werent for that it would suck too. Pilgrim is just the stepchild because it doesnt get the range bonus, but basically both are intended for gang support.
The Curse might be usually the primary choice (neut range, better to n*no), but this doesnt mean the ugly brother isnt viable at all. Pilgrim is more friendly to remote tanking, can tank pretty good on its own even, and it can cloak.
As someone pointed out already, its much better for deadspace than the curse is.
You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. You are honestly sitting there and telling me that the Pilgrim is a good gang ship? In what way does it perform better than the Curse, or even the arbitrator. The neut range is useless in todays gangs (like 12 km). The only real application the Pilgrim has is solo. GTFO off EFT. I wish that program would explode and break the computers of everyone that just EFT's all ****ing day. --
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.10 04:18:00 -
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Quote: You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. You are honestly sitting there and telling me that the Pilgrim is a good gang ship? In what way does it perform better than the Curse, or even the arbitrator. The neut range is useless in todays gangs (like 12 km). The only real application the Pilgrim has is solo. GTFO off EFT. I wish that program would explode and break the computers of everyone that just EFT's all ****ing day.
Just because someone said something stupid does not mean he EFT warriors or that it's EFT's fault. Just a pet peeve of mine, haha, but I find the random flaming of EFT to be annoying, as it's largely undeserved. There would be just as many stupid people in the world and just as many stupid forum posts if EFT didn't exist. Simply because some people can't make proper use of a tool doesn't mean the tool is useless. It means those people are stupid.
Oh, and yeah, Pilgrim needs a little somethin something. I don't know if a nos range bonus is the right answer, but I suppose it could work. It definitely needs something.. and btw, gang ship wtf? No.
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