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Satrani Destiva
Caldari Just Another lndy Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.10 20:56:00 -
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While I was mining and thinking about our lotteries and other such events that people run, it ocurred to me that the main event organisers could maybe band together if interested, and form an events alliance. The main aim of this in my eyes would be to act as a panel of referees, to give support to new organisers. We could act as guarantors on new events by holding a sum of money placed by the person running the event, and making the guarantee that if the event organiser doesn't pay the prize then we have authourisation to pay from the sum placed by that event's organiser. More details would need to be confirmed prior to taking on an event.
The role of the events alliance would therefore be as a kind of events council to help prevent players from being scammed by profitmongers who are only interested in taking the isk and not honouring their commitment, and to allow players to have somewhere they know they can go to place their money knowing it's as safe as it could possibly be
I look at this from the standpoint of a new organiser trying to make something good for the good of the community. We all started somewhere and I dare say it wasn't an easy start for any of us. but through our hard work we have become known to many people by our actions.
Take for instance BIG GAMES who have been running their lotteries since EVE began. They have built a huge, regular, player base. They are trusted with billions each week, and each week they make their huge payouts. They have built that trust up over the last 5 years and they hold a fair bit of weight in the gambling community. It would be nice to think that one day each of our events will become as successful as theirs is.
None of this means we interfere with anyones event whether it is an exsisting event or a totally new one it just means we can help each other out if the help is needed. We run events in order to make isk for our own goals, mine and Securitas' happens to be helping new players, but there is another reason we do it, which is to provide entertainment. Be honest there are far easier ways to make isk than runing a lottery for a small profit if any.
When I started trying to run events it was difficult to be taken seriously. I was called a scammer as I'm sure many of the players I'm addressing with this message have been. It's tough to start something in a game where ther is a lot of distrust. I can hear people saying "use Chribba". Believe me I've tried but he's pretty busy with all the stuff he does in this game without taking this on aswel. I aksed him to act as a guarantor on my treasure hunt (using my idea above) but he said it was to much hassle to keep on top of it with the work load he alrady has.
This is just a thought and I'm not about to go out and build an alliance just because "I" think it's a good idea. I want your input on what would be good and what would be bad about setting something like this up. I'm sure there's a hundred and one things I haven't thought of that will make this a bad idea. I just need to hear them.
So I stand before you asking your opinion on this idea. Should this seed be planted? Or binned?
Constructive comments please and no trolling.
Satrani _ Sec & Sat's Lottery |
Securitas Protector
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.10 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Securitas Protector on 10/07/2008 22:32:02 I think this is an excellent idea, and not just because I've teamed up with you in the past. If you put all the individual events coordinators together, you would have a powerful base of players with many billions of ISK at it's disposal, and an easy way of representing a unified front. Aspiring events creators could perhaps apply for "grants" from the alliance, or something similar. I like this idea. It has my full support, and I'm willing to put a bit of ISK behind it if others are. Trust is definitely crucial in EVE, and this could be a step to building some more of it.
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Phirephly
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Posted - 2008.07.10 22:43:00 -
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I'm a newcomer to the Events board, but I support this idea. With a unified front, we would be able to cut down on scams and legitimize the games, gambling or otherwise, that run through here. However, I would wish that if such a thing happen, we avoid becoming an elitist organization.
I will post more later.
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Securitas Protector
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:05:00 -
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My idea is that this alliance could take new lotteries "under it's wing." For example, a lottery gets a chance to prove it's honest, and everyone's ISK is insured in case of a scammer. Whether or not the alliance would get a small percentage of the profit from this lottery is subject to decision, but this alliance could help build trust for Events where there wouldn't ordinarily be any.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:32:00 -
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The best you could really hope here would be to form a lottery board of already known and legitimate popular event/lottery folks, who would help to organize and secure lotteries held by others, kind of like what EBANK is to the market community. I'm not sure if such a population exists in this part of the forum though. =/
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Antarr Slagh
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:35:00 -
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Well, if such a thing does happen, let me know and I'll get my alt in.
--------------------------------------------- Runner of the Fleet Lottos! |
Satrani Destiva
Caldari Just Another lndy Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:49:00 -
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Thanks for the posts and mainly supportive ones too.
I'd like to hear from a spokesperson of BIG GAMES to see if they would be interested in becoming involved.
As Sellene suggested it would be more a board of event organisers who would provide security to new events by insuring/guaranteeing the event in question. We could maybe get our heads together and come up with a super event with high stakes and huge prizes.
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste The best you could really hope here would be to form a lottery board of already known and legitimate popular event/lottery folks, who would help to organize and secure lotteries held by others, kind of like what EBANK is to the market community. I'm not sure if such a population exists in this part of the forum though. =/
If it doesn't exsist then perhaps it's time it did. CCP wants more in game events, maybe this is the way to help that along.
More information and comments needed. Once we've got more info/advice we should arrange a small meeting and see if this thing could actually be a viable option to us. _ Sec & Sat's Lottery |
Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.07.11 14:28:00 -
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EVE UFC would be interested in talking more on this. Try to catch me in game if I don't catch you first.
-Gin
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Securitas Protector
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.11 16:19:00 -
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I propose that everyone interested should have a "Group Chat," using either Google or AIM. Most of you probably have a Google account, so that may be easier...this way we can work out everything quickly and effectively, and come to decisions about whether we should create this alliance, and if so, details. So, I invite everyone who reads this that is interested to a group chat, just post which method(Google(talk) vs AIM) and which times you will be available, in general. Once I see which method is most popular and which times we can all be there(or at least mostly) I'll post a date and time.
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Sikander 2
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Posted - 2008.07.11 17:33:00 -
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i guess another benefit of this would be an easier way to organize fights without having to worry about low sec, seeing as people who wish to participate in them regularly would just join a 'fight corp' which would organize them. My alt could set one up, so i'm interested.
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Zaar Cobalt
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:16:00 -
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Though I see what your doing, if a scammer saw this thread, chances are, people are going to get scammed. Though, the winner will get the prize, the scammer lost nothing, but rather gained allot. Also, as being new to the lottery business, I think what your doing is great. However, some people, such as myself, prefer to go it alone, as that makes better trust for them, rather then some people believing in only your "under the wing" lotteries.
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Securitas Protector
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Securitas Protector on 11/07/2008 21:59:02 Zaar, I don't really understand what you are saying. Any lottery will get a chance to be taken under our wing, and if it is a scammer, then we'll lose a few (hundred?) mil ISK paying out to all the people who participated, but then we won't trust that scammer again, obviously. Besides, we might only let characters of a certain age or above participate, and thus make it hard for custom-built alts to get in without effort. Of course, some scams will happen, and it will hurt, but I don't think it'll make that big of an impact.
However, I can understand reasons that you might want to take it alone; that's perfectly fine. This thread is just for ideas/expressions of support/criticism.
In conclusion: yeah, we're going to get scammed...we'll take it as it comes though. And I certainly don't expect everyone or even most people to participate.
Also, those of you who support this, please give me a method(Gtalk vs AIM) and times you are available,
Thanks, Securitas
PS: Satrani please get on google talk, we have much to discuss.
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari Just Another lndy Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:16:00 -
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Hi Zaar thanks for posting.
In all honesty we wouldn't lose anything because the new event organiser who is trying to be taken seriously would do 1 of 2 things. He could either allow the board to hold the prize and allow the board to pay that prize, or pay a deposit to cover the total cumulative ticket value for maximum ticket sales on an event. This would allow the event board to pay out the prize once the winner had been confirmed, or to refund all tickets to their maximum value.
I do however agree with your comment about events being under the wing of the event board but this would only be a short term situation until the organiser feels that he has built up enough trust in the community. If an event didn't want to be affiliated with the board there is nothing to say they have to, or to say that they are any less trustworthy than someone who is, but people paying their money would more likely play a "covered game" than one that has no guarantee but the organisers word.
It would have to be understood that once that event leaves the cover of the board's "wing" then no cover would be given to that event. Events that were covered would have to be confirmed by a post from a board member so that players knew that their entry fee/bet was covered by an anti scam policy. If there were no post to confirm the boards involvment then no cover would be in place.
There will be wrinkles in this idea, I don't doubt that there will be problems implementing such an undertaking (I'm no lawyer), but common sense is our friend and as long as we have that we should do ok. _ Sec & Sat's Lottery |
Phirephly
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:05:00 -
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Instead of an alliance devoted to the protection of event integrity, perhaps, instead, it would be better as a security service, not unlike Chribba's third party services. As an informal committee of event coordinators, it would be possible to provide verification for events under the same name. A committee like this could provide services like:
- Third-party prize holding
- Hidden third-party verification (inserting committee alts into events to verify legitimacy)
- Loan agents for people looking to start their first events
More possibilities than that are out there, but that's a short list. Then, if people wish to have their event verified, they could contact the committee. By building on the current trust that many people in the committee should have (long time event runners like Satrani, Selene, etc) the ability to make an event trustworthy. On top of this, I think it would be fair to charge a small amount for these services. However, I do not believe that -any- member of the committee should receive pay. Instead, these proceeds should go towards an insurance fund in the event that the committee endorses a scam, thereby enabling all participants to be reinbursed. As a goal, perhaps a motto, this committee should be dedicated to the safety of fun events.
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari Just Another lndy Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.12 08:58:00 -
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Phirphly you hit the nail on the head there. That's the kind of thing it needs to be But worded far better than I did.
A third party event service.
I know when I said alliance it wasn't the right word. We wouldn't need to form an actual alliance but rather just a commitee.
Some brilliant ideas are coming out of the woodwork, lets hope this continues and we can make it happen.
As Sec has requesed could we get each interested party's timezone so we can plan some kind of get together in order to discuss this with more detail. It's fine discussing it on a public forum but we do need to discuss each individuals concerns about such a body. _ Sec & Sat's Lottery |
Securitas Protector
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.12 10:06:00 -
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Great ideas all, although an actual technical "Alliance" does make administration a bit easier. My time zone until July 22nd(we can't have it on this day, plane trip) will be GMT, and PST after the 22nd.
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