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Anope
Black Reign The Five
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:47:00 -
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Im a pure 0.0 pvp player, have been since I started eve. Iv done low sec pvp a couple times, and high sec is a total mystery to me.
So I want to explore the "otherside" and I am making a mining alt(new account) was wondering what I should start off doing? go straight for mining barge and mine veld? Put a laser on a hauler?
whats the best way to start? (Money is not an issue, I've been very succesful in 0.0)
eve-mail me in game if you can, I may not be back to check this thread
-NoobMiner
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Anope Im a pure 0.0 pvp player, have been since I started eve. Iv done low sec pvp a couple times, and high sec is a total mystery to me.
So I want to explore the "otherside" and I am making a mining alt(new account) was wondering what I should start off doing? go straight for mining barge and mine veld? Put a laser on a hauler?
whats the best way to start? (Money is not an issue, I've been very succesful in 0.0)
eve-mail me in game if you can, I may not be back to check this thread
-NoobMiner
Depends, one common approach is stick to frigates and work into the barges.
Some pick up cruisers and work into barges.
I'd say frigates - barges if you don't mind the fact early on you will be a slow miner till you get into the retriever (then the comparison to the frigate is insane)
And most will growl at me for this, but I would use the T1 lasers till you get the barge skills up (so you don't worry about the refinery portion till you need to... and no switching crystals as needed during an op)
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Quetl
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Posted - 2008.07.13 22:08:00 -
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If you made an alt for this, chances are you can already use t2 lasers from the start, or very close.
Get an Osprey (It's better than the 1st mining barge) - get the 2 strip barge (and you can get the 3rd if you want, but hulk isn't long after it.)
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.13 22:57:00 -
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If money is not an issue then just train up until you can fly a hulk and leave the character idle in the mean time.
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Quetl
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Posted - 2008.07.14 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg If money is not an issue then just train up until you can fly a hulk and leave the character idle in the mean time.
I was going to suggest that, beauty of the barges/hulks is you dont have to constantly move ores to jetcans (as it has a reasonable size cargo)
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.14 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Quetl
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg If money is not an issue then just train up until you can fly a hulk and leave the character idle in the mean time.
I was going to suggest that, beauty of the barges/hulks is you dont have to constantly move ores to jetcans (as it has a reasonable size cargo)
Barges are iffy. with cargo expander IIs + T1 strips the retriever can handle 2 cycles of the lasers (with some waste iirc), and the covetor is about the same (but no waste). The addition of cargo optimization rigs would help, but not much.
The hulk is really the only one that handles hold mining well.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Angel The hulk is really the only one that handles hold mining well.
That's open to debate depending on your skills. 2 cycles with no expanders, 3 (or possibly 4 at a real squeeze) with expanders if you're lucky and using T1 strips.
Once you get to T2 strips and high skills, I can't even get two cycles in the hold without expanders. Add gang bonuses, MLU's and T2 mining drones (or harvesters) and the hold fills up kinda fast.
If you're mining in a gang, you can hold the ore long enough for the hauler to return before jetting it. Don't jet it before because it's just a nice juicy income for the ore thieves. Solo mining in highsec, use T2 expanders and cram as much as you can before docking, rinse, repeat.
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:56:00 -
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Training to fly a Hulk will take about 60 days i leave mine in a hanger while training but if you want to play Osprey then a Retriever. When the training is done there are 2 routes power mining T2 Strips and all the eaxtra bits to increase the turn over rate, my 5 Hulks all run with max cargo space 17k m3 T1 strips so they just mine the biggest riods, ganged they get 1227m3 a cycle, max out the shield skills and they will tank 0.5 rats thats about it.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Ashen Angel The hulk is really the only one that handles hold mining well.
That's open to debate depending on your skills. 2 cycles with no expanders, 3 (or possibly 4 at a real squeeze) with expanders if you're lucky and using T1 strips.
Once you get to T2 strips and high skills, I can't even get two cycles in the hold without expanders. Add gang bonuses, MLU's and T2 mining drones (or harvesters) and the hold fills up kinda fast.
If you're mining in a gang, you can hold the ore long enough for the hauler to return before jetting it. Don't jet it before because it's just a nice juicy income for the ore thieves. Solo mining in highsec, use T2 expanders and cram as much as you can before docking, rinse, repeat.
If you are hold mining, then it's T2 expanders and I'd say just the T1 optimization rigs (17k cargo), efficiency mining the rigs allow for about 2 cycles with bonuses and drones. At which point you need haulers on station with over watch anyway so it's not really hold mining.
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ingenting
TrackHauler Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 14/07/2008 18:43:13 go straight for retriever if money is not a problem. __________ Ingenting |
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 14/07/2008 18:43:13 go straight for retriever if money is not a problem.
True, it's not worth even looking at less than a Retriever when you've trained barges, the single strip miner Procurer can be outmined easily by a basic cruiser with T2 mining lasers or even T1 Xecl Drilling Beams anyway. It really makes you wonder why CCP bothered with the Procurer, nobody uses it.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. |
Newbear
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Newbear on 15/07/2008 07:16:16 Beware of bears! Once you start making isk you'll soon abandon null and then pvp all together. Then its a slow death as your sanity slowly unravels, watching the astroids rotate.
Shoot streight for hulk, if the bears that now infest your brain demand that you mine, then use a hyperion or rokh. The overall M3/sec. is higher for Tier 3 BS vs. covetor. Click here for my High Security POS Service
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NetBlaise 2
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Posted - 2008.07.15 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: NetBlaise 2 on 15/07/2008 08:57:53 If you have the bread to spend then I recommend that you train your new Mining alt straight to a Cruiser. Buy a Mining Cruiser and use that to learn with. While your using the cruiser to learn with train your skills to the point where you can fly a retriver. Use this barge as a trainer since it's much cheaper then a hulk for the time being. While your playing with your new barge and learning how to use Strip mining lasers train you skills so you can fly a Hulk. By that time you be good to go as a Miner. A good well the best guide to look at in ref to Mining is Halada V 2.2. Their's a whole Topic on it on the forum. Hit me up on evemail if you have any other questions.....
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.15 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 14/07/2008 18:43:13 go straight for retriever if money is not a problem.
True, it's not worth even looking at less than a Retriever when you've trained barges, the single strip miner Procurer can be outmined easily by a basic cruiser with T2 mining lasers or even T1 Xecl Drilling Beams anyway. It really makes you wonder why CCP bothered with the Procurer, nobody uses it.
For those that skip the cruisers and go straight for barges, it's a big step up from the frigates.
Basically for those that are willing to sit in a frigate (or operate in an industrial as a hauler) till they can fly the barges, but even then it's usually a good idea to continue that till they can handle the retriever.
Some corps use them for low skill ice miners... slow and inefficient but they can still get the ice for the corp needs.
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MercenaryMuffin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:03:00 -
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Why someone would skip Cruisers, especially when playing as Caldari, is beyond me. An Osprey can out-mine a Procurer easily, and mining one chunk of ice at a time isn't even worth it.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: MercenaryMuffin Why someone would skip Cruisers, especially when playing as Caldari, is beyond me. An Osprey can out-mine a Procurer easily, and mining one chunk of ice at a time isn't even worth it.
Some do it since that is training time away from what they want to focus on (to the point they don't train industrial either.. just the skills to specialize into mining )
didn't say it was the best way to get ice, but it's a fast way to get the skills for it (if they focus instead mainly on battleships and not barges/exhumers since only a barge can mount the ice harvesters... though a couple extra days for at least the retriever is better or a couple weeks and get a mack)
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MercenaryMuffin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: MercenaryMuffin on 15/07/2008 11:57:01 If you're mining with a Procurer, and you don't have an industrial ship to haul your stuff, you're going to be mining very slowly and inefficiently.
It'll take a little longer, but training to get an Osprey and at least a Badger with expanded cargo capacity will pay off in the long run. You'll rake in the ISK faster than just a Procurer.
If you're serious about mining, you can't skip Industrials. A Retriever is the first Barge you should get, without question.
And besides, high-sec ice isn't worth nearly as much as you'd make mining something as simple as Veldspar.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: MercenaryMuffin Edited by: MercenaryMuffin on 15/07/2008 11:57:01 If you're mining with a Procurer, and you don't have an industrial ship to haul your stuff, you're going to be mining very slowly and inefficiently.
It'll take a little longer, but training to get an Osprey and at least a Badger with expanded cargo capacity will pay off in the long run. You'll rake in the ISK faster than just a Procurer.
If you're serious about mining, you can't skip Industrials. A Retriever is the first Barge you should get, without question.
And besides, high-sec ice isn't worth nearly as much as you'd make mining something as simple as Veldspar.
nope, it's mainly corporate miners that skip. They have haulers available, ice is just needed to feed a POS so if they got 12 guys in procurers that's ice for the station.
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MercenaryMuffin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:49:00 -
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It still seems incredibly inefficient.
Even with someone to haul for you, an Osprey will mine faster than a Procurer, unless you just want to have a bunch of Procurers getting ice chunks one at a time. Which, still, is really lame.
I don't know anyone who went into a corp and went straight for a Procurer, considering someone with a Retriever can do that job much better.
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Florean
Gallente Glory's Wing
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:30:00 -
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If you have the "bread to spread" as was said before why not buy a basic hulk pilot? You then dont need to worry about training so if you want you can have him on your main account?
However procurer I think is missing an amazing bonus somewhere... as it is its kinda pointless ship as said an osprey can mine quicker. If you are going straight into the barges the amount of isk mined in a procuror probably wont even make up what the ship cost in those short training time between procurer and retreiver.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.15 18:38:00 -
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I had a couple do it in the last corp i ran, the used the proc till they got astrogeology to V and mining barge up to use the retriever.
They did actually make the price back during the training time. And it was a big jump from them operating at frigate 2
(yeah they didn't train up frigates, just the skills needed to fly a barge and a few learning skills as they went to help)
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paulg
Gallente Star High Industries and Technology 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 19:29:00 -
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Best thing is to read, this deffinative mining works by Halada http://www.envimon.com/francis/eve/completeminersguide_v2.2.pdf
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434899
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Thenoran
Caldari Border Rim Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.15 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Angel
Originally by: Quetl
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg If money is not an issue then just train up until you can fly a hulk and leave the character idle in the mean time.
I was going to suggest that, beauty of the barges/hulks is you dont have to constantly move ores to jetcans (as it has a reasonable size cargo)
Barges are iffy. with cargo expander IIs + T1 strips the retriever can handle 2 cycles of the lasers (with some waste iirc), and the covetor is about the same (but no waste). The addition of cargo optimization rigs would help, but not much.
The hulk is really the only one that handles hold mining well.
An Armageddon with 8 Cargo Expander II's and no rigs will hold 4190m3, more than a Covetor, although it would mine about 2200m3 every 3 mins using 7 MDCM II's with max skills. ------------------------ Ore Depletion Calculator It's life Jim, but not as we know it |
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