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Argus Greymoore
Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Personally I think that agents should be removed entirely, and missions can be accepted at any station (levels given out are based on standing).
This.
Till now, I've always thought removing agent quality was the best idea, and it's still a good one IMHO. But this is the best alternate suggestion I've seen.
Every station has a single agent that you can request missions from. The higher your standing with the corp that owns the station, the higher level mission you can request.
Everyone can then run missions from their home system, and it removes the need to cluster around mission hubs with L4 agents. Dropping quality along with this is a winner in my book.
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doichin
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:54:00 -
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I say keep it the same, all those scrummy loot laden Ravens in Motsu make it way easier for ganking purposes.
I'm far too lazy to hunt them down in other systems.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dr ****er I have a really big problem when I pay every month to play a game and cant really play it due to lag. I am in systems that are near a high quality level 4 agent (not Jita). I dont understand why CCP doesnt spread out the level 4's across a lot more systems, in turn reducing the traffic in the systems. I do understand that they are trying to create markets by having few good quality level 4's. But it is at the expense of playability. Again CCP needs to spread out the agents over more systems. On saturday and sunday, the days I have off I can barely play. When it takes 3-5 mins to open a can after completing a mission is not fun. Please do something. I am too new a player to go to 0.0 and PVP and too old to play crappy level 4's. I know I am repeating myself, im just trying to get the point across.
Dr ****er
This, specifically, has been suggested a hojillion times. CCP has never explicitly explained why they don't just do it. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Personally I think that agents should be removed entirely, and missions can be accepted at any station (levels given out are based on standing).
A good idea, though I think losing the agents completely would take something from the game. I'd prefer changing the system so that you can comm any agent in the region and receive missions from them regardless of your location.
Or, because everyone loves having more stuff to train, a skill in the social category that increases the range at which you can remotely request missions each level, similar to trade skills like procurement, making level V regional coverage.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:12:00 -
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@ OP:
1: GTFOO Caldari space.
Why? Everyone in EVE thats wants a CNR goes to Caldari high-Q lvl4 agents so they can get that CNR, i think personally that youre better off buying that CNR right away and running missions in it for other things instead of doing missions to get that CNR
2: Move to a lower security system that isnt busy, lower Q agent isnt so bad there.
I myself once ran missions in a system where there were 2 lvl4 agents, respactable Q 14 and 16 (one being security and other astrogeology... 50% mining missions :S) then i moved to a 0.5 with the corp where i had a lvl4 Q5 internal sec. that gave almost the same rewards as that Q16 security.
my best bet if you want no lag, get youre ass into lower sec, find a nice qiuet system with a lvl4 agent, get youre ass in a ubertanking-mega-pwning-superfactionfitted ship and grind missions all damned day so you can make a bigger and bigger pwnboat every month
Fly safe, FarosWarrior
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Cassiopea Stardream
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dr ****er first of all jinx im not in either of those systems. And did you not understand the words I wrote? I even repeated myself for people that only read every other line. The point I am trying to make is that they need more agents, period. Again I will repeat myself. Why are there systems with only 16 people in them? why are there systems with 200? this is not efficient. seriously, please go back and read previously said statement/question. I dont want a bandaid to go and clog up another system with new players starting the game every day. That is a temp fix. I am writing this so maybe someone who can do something about this will read this and say. hmmmm. Its not that hard of a concept to grasp. add more good quality agents to more systems. The system I am in at one time was one of the best systems. due to not on same server as JITA/MOTSU and tucked away. but now it has become over crowded. Yes I am working on my state standings so I can leave but my corp stands are 9.8 I dont want to start over with another corp taking weeks to get back up to find that......OH wait it is getting over crowded too. the solution again is...guess what. add.....more....agents. TADA (win3.1) you know it will spread out the players along more systems. Im even thinking about getting a crapy domi and fitting it with t1 stuff and doing missions in .4 just so when I activate a module it works.
There are quite a few good agents in quiet, high sec systems, that do not have 200 people in them, simply use your brain and search for them, go to your faction info, list out the corporations, look through and find one you can work for that isnt in a lag hole. I agree that more agents would be good but there is simply no excuse right now for a gallente to be complaining about there being no nice agents in quiet systems
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Zev'Nar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:32:00 -
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The mission runner do seem to pile up certain systems. Some thing needs to change the way the agents work and where you run the missions. I like to run missions for Corps that have stations in other regions, Minmatar Stations/Agents in Amarr space, etc... I prefer to be in a backwater system with less than 20-30 people.
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Lyra Blazing
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lyra Blazing on 14/07/2008 21:53:00
Originally by: Zev'Nar The mission runner do seem to pile up certain systems. Some thing needs to change the way the agents work and where you run the missions. I like to run missions for Corps that have stations in other regions, Minmatar Stations/Agents in Amarr space, etc... I prefer to be in a backwater system with less than 20-30 people.
Thats not true. I had the same problem at the weekend. I was laged out in a system with 30 in local. Since fw you lag out in the most backwater mission systems. This is true even for amarr systems at the end of the world. I left dodi because i did hate the lag there. I researched what other lvl4 agents are there. I moved to systems with 30-50 in local. And since fw i lag as bad as in dodi. So the ppl telling us mission runners just move away of dodi. motsu whatever are wrong. With fw the problem is all over the place. You may just as well stay in dodi.
So ccp your time is up fix lag or loose customers.
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Patient 2428190
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra Blazing So ccp your time is up fix lag or loose customers. ( Btw why did none of us post which backwater system he is in ? )
I hate loose customers more than I hate lag.
I have yet to lag while running missions, also in a backwater system like that. It took me.. all off 15 minutes to research it when I picked the corp I wanted to start with.
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Viriola
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara You see, now this is where you are wrong.
A Quality 10 in a 0.5 system will give you more LP and more mission rewards than the Q18s in Motsu.
I don't get why people go to Motsu for missions. They're the most lagged out in the game but they don't even give the best rewards. There's no point in missioning there.
People like you are the problem with Motsu, the ones told time and again to go somewhere else, that there are better agents but you don't listen - it's the same situation as Jita - too many people go there. Motsu already has a dedicated node, they can't do any more than that.
1) I don't mission in Motsu, or anywhere near. I mission in a system which 6 months ago had an average of 15-20 people in it at peak times. Now it has 80-90. It doesn't lag badly (yet) but if the numbers are increasing at this rate in other similar systems then there is a problem. I moved away from the busy mission hubs two years ago.
2) Try doing a search for Minmatar leven 4 agents. Know how many there in with qual > 10? 6. That's six. There's 14 Caldari, 6 Gallente and 10 Minmatar. That's not very many for such a large playerbase.
3) "Motsu already has a dedicated node, they can't do any more than that." That's where YOU'RE wrong and where YOU are the kind of person that's part of the problem. They could do something very simple - create a few more level 4 agents! But people like you who don't understand the nature of the problem post idiotic things like that instead.
There are 36 level 4 agents for the 4 major empires in EVE. The characters missioning have aged to the point where the average numbers in all decent missioning systems are creating lag.
In turn this must be causing a large petition queue for CCP as reimbursement petitions for mission ships lost to lag increase. This may also be causing loss of players or increase in bad will as lag losses are not reimbursed (I say may since I am purely speculating there ofc).
It also increases the frequency of forum whines about things like salvage theft and lag.
Simple solution is a few more level 4 agents with qual > 10. Not 100's. Just a few more to reflect the increase in level 4 mission runners over the last couple of years.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Releasing the agent quality and making it a hardcoded number was the downfall of the system. Remove agent quality from visible info and make it dynamic, people will then have to base their location on guesstimations, assessment of lag and logistics and become more spread out doing so.
If you want all the endless hoards of Caldari mission runners lagging up every single system in the Caldari regions thereby mucking it up for all the rest of us then please go ahead and impliment this plan. Otherwise let the space lemmings congregate in the Motsu area and concentrate all the lag there instead of region wide.
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Marion Rendois
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Viriola Simple solution is a few more level 4 agents with qual > 10. Not 100's. Just a few more to reflect the increase in level 4 mission runners over the last couple of years.
Ideally, these agents would be in systems that have very few asteroid belts and no ice.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Viriola The usual forum responses to these posts have already been made and they're as useless as ever ofc.
Yes, there are level 4 agents in places other than Motsu, Dodixie, etc. But there aren't actually that many level 4 agents, certainly not high quality ones. And as EVE's population has both grown and got older (in terms of character age, not player age) the number of level 4 agents HASN'T increased, thus leading to an unavoidable increase in congestion in the few systems with good agents.
Surely it's time for CCP to consider increasing the number, range and distribution of these agents? If nothing else it would ease the pressure on the customer support system since I'd bet Chribba's left nut that a not-insignificant proportion of the reimbursement tickets submitted are lag losses in busy mission hubs.
Or perhaps CCP want people to start contesting over scarce resources...?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: FarosWarrior @ OP:
1: GTFOO Caldari space.
Why? Everyone in EVE thats wants a CNR goes to Caldari high-Q lvl4 agents so they can get that CNR, i think personally that youre better off buying that CNR right away and running missions in it for other things instead of doing missions to get that CNR
2: Move to a lower security system that isnt busy, lower Q agent isnt so bad there.
I myself once ran missions in a system where there were 2 lvl4 agents, respactable Q 14 and 16 (one being security and other astrogeology... 50% mining missions :S) then i moved to a 0.5 with the corp where i had a lvl4 Q5 internal sec. that gave almost the same rewards as that Q16 security.
my best bet if you want no lag, get youre ass into lower sec, find a nice qiuet system with a lvl4 agent, get youre ass in a ubertanking-mega-pwning-superfactionfitted ship and grind missions all damned day so you can make a bigger and bigger pwnboat every month
O/ Faros
I think the OP is onto a bigger issue here. There are high sec agents giving more or almost the same lp than a lot of low sec ones. E.G 8.5k LP with caldari, 8.8klp with Minmatar etc etc. Low sec agents give around 7-12k lp, most surprisingly, are around the 8-10k mark, which is the same as these crowded systems.
But Longer term, more people that move to quiet systems means quiet systems become busy. Its transfering the problem insted of solving it. --
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:18:00 -
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Go somewhere else, like a lowsec agent.
Besides the entire area around jita is lagging even more due to MAX Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.15 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Viriola The usual forum responses to these posts have already been made and they're as useless as ever ofc.
Yes, there are level 4 agents in places other than Motsu, Dodixie, etc. But there aren't actually that many level 4 agents, certainly not high quality ones.
Will stupid people like you ever understand that the agent system sec status is more important than his quality for the rewards...
There are plenty of agents in 0.5 systems that NEVER send you in lowsec. And no I won't tell, I don't want to ruin my good spots, do your own homework (hint, looking at the map helps).
And anyway, the agent rewards are pocket change compared to bounties ad loot unless you mission with say a Q20 agent in a 0.1 system, and the missions are exactly the same for all agents. Think of how faster you'd do mission without lag. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine. |
Sarcough Illrilian
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 15/07/2008 11:34:30
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
And anyway, the agent rewards are pocket change compared to bounties ad loot unless you mission with say a Q20 agent in a 0.1 system, and the missions are exactly the same for all agents. Think of how faster you'd do mission without lag.
Dude, screw the isk rewards, I care about the LP, and the better quality agent the better LP.
The fact of the matter is, Motsu is the most busy system because it has the best quality kill missions in high sec for Caldari state, if you want to question that show me proof. There are a few that come relatively close, but Motsu has the best.
People will always flock to the best possible location for the highest income, and best rewards, it does after all make sense to do that.
What i do agree with is that CCP should implement some agents that are of equal quality at the top end so as to develop a selection of zones for people to descend upon and ease lag in zones such as Motsu, whether they're willing to do that is an entirely different matter. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian People will always flock to the best possible location for the highest income, and best rewards, it does after all make sense to do that.
Lemmings also flock, yet what you should remember is that there are more variables in the equation than just the agent quality. Thus those who figure this out tend to avoid the swarms of lemmings.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian
Dude, screw the isk rewards, I care about the LP, and the better quality agent the better LP, even if we're comparing sec rating to quality ratio. (At least for Caldari kill missions)
And what LP come down to in the end? ISKs. Your productivity suffers a lot in lagland, you can do more missions in same timeframe in lag free systems and have a more enjoyable experience to boot.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron I think the OP is asking for more lvl4 agents of same quality etc so people spread out more rather than stay in systems with 200 in local.
I.E insted of, say, 1 lvl4 q18, have about a dozen of them, so insted of 1 system having 200 people, this number gets spread over a dozen systems.
Either way, go to the assembly hall make make a issue thread about it.
The problem is that the OP ask for more Caldari Navy agents in high sec, as he don't want to change corporation.
Adding more Caldari and Gallente and Minmatar and Amarr (admittedly you need them) Navy agents in high sec and then more agents for all the other corporations (why other corps should be shorted to help the navy mission runners only?) will require to enlarge high sec or the different agents will overlap and the result will be the same.
Caldari are the best example of the problem as they have more mission runners, better combat agents in high sec and less high sec territory. They have more combat agents of all the other factions too (Minmatar and Gallente level 4 kill agents added together are less than the Caldari kill agents) but people move all to the top quality agents, so most of the Caldari agents are unused.
The best solution (but it will require a correction in agent quantity between the empires) is to make agent quality dinamic. As they are giving out more mission the quality decrease, it they are under used for a period the quality increase.
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jam6549
Amarr Via Crucis
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: jam6549 on 15/07/2008 11:57:55 do missions for the amarr navy? 4 agents of Q20 in one low sec system which doesn't even have half as many ppl as where u mission + better LP and reward...?
Edit: Use Paragraphs.
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Sarcough Illrilian
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
And what LP come down to in the end? ISKs. Your productivity suffers a lot in lagland, you can do more missions in same timeframe in lag free systems and have a more enjoyable experience to boot.
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Lemmings also flock, yet what you should remember is that there are more variables in the equation than just the agent quality. Thus those who figure this out tend to avoid the swarms of lemmings.
Hey, i have my setup just fine, i'm just pointing out the obvious. I agree with the factor of better quality gameplay and general all round more enjoyment playing in less lagged out system (it's what I do), but there will always be people that are not willing to look at the bigger picture, or for that matter alternate options.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic It is bad. I'm in system with maybe 30-50 people, and maybe max 100 people in closest neighboring systems, and TEH LAGG has started to appear recently. Not much, but 20-30 sec lag strikes, out of the blue, in missions started appearing.
I cant imagine how bad is it in systems with over hundred people in them and a additional hundreds in nearby systems
I had lag in a 0.0 system with me alone. It all depend on what other system are on the same node.
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Ralara
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dr ****er Finally!!! 2 people have it right. Thanks viriola for understanding what I am trying to convey. And as for Ralara you really need to R.E.A.D before replying. I only stated twice that I was not in MOTSU and MOTSU is not t he issue. I have never missioned in MOTSU and will never mission in MOTSU. for the reason it is the most lagd out system which is MOTSU. And as for Lordwaratron thanks for the suggestion I will write up a post on that page. Thanks!
oh my god, I don't give a rats ass where you mission - just go somewhere else that isn't as bad.
Go to a 0.5 system with a level 10 agent, you'll get more than the people in Motsu and similar get. Less lag. Win win. --
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 15/07/2008 13:20:51
Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian The fact of the matter is, Motsu is the most busy system because it has the best quality kill missions in high sec for Caldari state, if you want to question that show me proof. There are a few that come relatively close, but Motsu has the best.
If I'm not completely misinformed, that coveted Motsu agent is Quality 18 in a 0.9-sec system, right?
If it's the Caldari LP store you're after, there are better agents than that available in high-sec, trust me. Problem is, of course, that I like to keep it calm and quiet, so I'm not all that keen on just telling the world where it is…
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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:57:00 -
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Interesting that so many literate people can hold the opinion that the customer is always wrong and the only problem with the game is the people playing it.
Regardless of how stupid it may be to mission in Motsu it's the obvious place for many new players go to run their first level 4's and subsequently reconsider their subscription.
That is aside from the growing problem in other hubs as people catch on and migrate elsewhere.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.15 17:02:00 -
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CCP can't fix lag, players will always push the bounds until lag appears.
You, however, can prevent your lag.
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Marion Rendois
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Posted - 2008.07.16 01:06:00 -
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You could also run missions for some other agent elsewhere to make lots of ISK and just buy the equipment you want from the market or through contracts.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Interesting that so many literate people can hold the opinion that the customer is always wrong and the only problem with the game is the people playing it.
Regardless of how stupid it may be to mission in Motsu it's the obvious place for many new players go to run their first level 4's and subsequently reconsider their subscription.
That is aside from the growing problem in other hubs as people catch on and migrate elsewhere.
False statement, my boy. The "the obvious place for many new players go to run their first level 4's" is the location of a 4 -20 or so agents, as soon as they have the needed standing.
Motsu high quality agents are something you get after running level 4 missions for a time so the player has all the time to learn to avoid lagging areas .
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Interesting that so many literate people can hold the opinion that the customer is always wrong and the only problem with the game is the people playing it.
Regardless of how stupid it may be to mission in Motsu it's the obvious place for many new players go to run their first level 4's and subsequently reconsider their subscription.
That is aside from the growing problem in other hubs as people catch on and migrate elsewhere.
False statement, my boy. The "the obvious place for many new players go to run their first level 4's" is the location of a 4 -20 or so agents, as soon as they have the needed standing.
Motsu high quality agents are something you get after running level 4 missions for a time so the player has all the time to learn to avoid lagging areas .
Sadly, some people are slow learners -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
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