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Erika Gracilus
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:33:00 -
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2TornSoul
Look at this from the point of casual lottery participant - me (1st and last time participation). I payed 1M isk for possibility of winnig Imperial Apoc AND for participation in whole pot draw. I bought 1000 tickets to get chanse of winning something from X mls/billons isk (what depends on number og tickets bought). U stated that and I accepted that by sending you my 1M isks. Now you decide to split X pot by Y times. And suddenly my 1000 tickets participate only once (now i`m talking about ISK pot, not Apoc). Question: why should I pay you more to participate in Y-1 rounds to take part in the rest POT (X-X/Y) draw if I already paid for? Why my 1000 tickets suddenly participate ONLY in 1/2 POT? If you decide to draw all pot in Y times, then let my tickets participate Y times. I dont care about CAPS and NUMBERS OF PRIZES - more prizes means more winners. In finance law what you going to do is called Financial Pyramid. Plain and simple.
Anyway, you already entered a murky way, where nothing is cleared and any rule could be change AFTER participants already accepted it and payed for it. GL in new era
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Geller
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:43:00 -
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Okay - hopefully this will be my final post on the matter:
I don't approve of what BIG are doing - I feel they are stealing other peoples money.
I do believe that TornSoul believes he is doing this for all the right reason (some sort of Robin Hood complex - robbing to feed the communitee etc.) but in this case he isn't just robbing from the rich - he is robbing from the whole communitee.
When Yuna said Originally by: Yuna And I don't see what you all are arguing about the money you put into #27 it was only 1M
she might be interested to know that 3 to 4 weeks ago 2M was more than I'd ever had, so this represented a large investment. There are a lot of Newbies who have put a high proportion of their "EVE lives" earnings into this lottery because it really did represent a once in a lifetime oportunity.
Anyway the key points:
- I don't approve.
- I doubt I can do anything about it, so I'm going to chalk this one up to experience.
- I wont be buy any more tickets from BIG.
- I wont be taking advantage for the BIG Jovian bits deal or the BIG Deal because I no longer trust BIG Corporation to act with integrety.
- If I or someone I know happen to win any of the prizes in round 28 this will not change my views - no matter who wins you have cheated your customers.
I'll keep an eye out to see if you change your mind, but at the moment I've said all I feel needs to be said.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Erika Gracilus
Anyway, you already entered a murky way, where nothing is cleared and any rule could be change AFTER participants already accepted it and payed for it. GL in new era
Dunno how much of this entire thread you have read - But : We where asked to change the rules midways - This was *not* our initiative. Besides the changes asked for, we on our own initiative made soem additional changes at the same time, so as to avoid *future* changes. The rules have been changed once, and once only - and lets pray we never need to do it again.
For the rest of your post - I'm sorry, I can just not get my head around that atm, due to the way it's presented I think - So my apologies for not adressing that... BIG Lottery
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Fingon
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:50:00 -
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I must say you haven't excatly handled this in the best possible way. Now using the large pot from round 27 to further boost your lottery is bad.. I payed into this lottery to be a part of the 3.8 billion pot not a 1.75 billion pot.. The LEAST you can do is enter all the tickets from round 27 in round 28 AND 29.
If you want the big prices to keep coming don't steal the from previous pots.. Make people WANT to buy in to the next rounds..
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Helison
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Indeed thats seems to be the core of it.
Ticket buyers of round 27 *do not* get entered into round 29 - Sorry (that was not the answer you where hoping for)
Yes, this is the core problem. You advertised, that we could we the whole money in round 28, where our tickets are valid. Now you take half of the money away to another lottery, where we have to buy new tickets. This would be ok, if you had advertised a fixed-price lottery. But you didnŠt.
I donŠt want to repeat the maths of Geller, which are the correct ones.
But if you want to be fair you have to: a) Put the whole money into round 28. You can divide them as you like. Perhaps 5 or 10 prices would be a good idea. OR b) make the tickets from round 27 valid in round 29, where youŠll pay out the whole money.
If a or b is fulfilled, IŠll continue taking part at your lotteries. Btw.: I hate fixed-price lotteries, because you canŠt use maths on your winning chances.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Geller
- I wont be taking advantage for the BIG Jovian bits deal or the BIG Deal because I no longer trust BIG Corporation to act with integrety.
How bitter can you get. Now youre insinuating that there must be something 'wrong' with everything else BIG is involved in (cant be trusted), just because you dont approve of how we've dealt with the lottery. 1 wrong thing = everything is wrong. Yes I can see the logic in that.
Why dont you bring the FA into it while you are at it? BIG is involved in the FA - ergo FA most somehow be 'wrong' as well.
Excuse me if I say "Sour grapes".
Cant win and argument (aka convince the opponent of your views), thus you start a smear campaign on *every* deal BIG has going.
Shame on you - Thats not how to leave a debate you no longer percieve as having a chance of 'winning'. BIG Lottery
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:01:00 -
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Why Cant You see what ur doing is wrong.
If this Was A real life lottery (I know it a Game), You'd be sued out of business in a second for what you are trying to do. Therefore it is Obviously wrong. Please think about your reputation.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:03:00 -
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@Fingon @Helison
*Convince* me why it should be like that.
*Convince* me that this would be the better solution overall.
*Convince* me that that would serve the cummunity as a whole better.
*Then* I'll do it that way.
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Btw.: I hate fixed-price lotteries, because you canŠt use maths on your winning chances.
Thats your prerogative you dont like those, but : Do tell me how you figure out your chance of winning the final pot in a lottery with no fixed prize, before the round is over? That surely depends, just as with the fixed prize lottery, on the amount of tickets sold - of which you have no knowledge until the round is over. In which case, it's trivial in both cases to figure out. BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: crazychimp Why Cant You see what ur doing is wrong.
If this Was A real life lottery (I know it a Game), You'd be sued out of business in a second for what you are trying to do. Therefore it is Obviously wrong. Please think about your reputation.
I think I've told you once already - Stop this silly argument.
Yes in RL, changing the rules midway is *not* an option. We where *asked* to change the rules - We where *asked* to do what would not be legal in RL. Apart from the changes asked for, we additionally made some on our own initiative.
This argument about legality of changing the rules midways is *void* - We *did not* initiate the changes (but yes we 'added' some more changes) BIG Lottery
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Flen Drift
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:15:00 -
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This will be in two parts :- For those that entered drawing 27 you could pay up to 1 mill isk which would enter you into the draw for the Apoc and an as yet unknown amount of isk for round 28. You've just found out that instead of just one chance to win this amount you now have three chances and the least amount is 4 times a normal lottery. Your chance of winning has increased three fold ( and don't come whining that it's less than you wanted as at the time of your entry in round 27 it wasn't at 3.5 billion ).
For those that enter for drawing 28 and onwards you already know the NEW rules so you can add up to the new bid ceiling. Anyone that overbid in round 27 gets their overspend back. Anyone that overspends in round 28 onwards is giving the usual BIG donation.
You can't use averages in a lottery for your average ticket return as unless you are the last person to buy a ticket it will necer be correct. BIG have increased my chance of winning an amount by 3 fold as there are now three prizes rather than one and each one is at least 4 times the usual amount. If people can stop whining about how they've been robbed and scammed and cheated, they have only lost out if they actually win one of the prizes and I for one won't be complaining if I only win 200mill. All other arguments are pointless.
Well done BIG for trying to keep the BIG prizes going. I for one will continue to enter this lottery as I could win just with a 1000 isk stake and that's good enough for me.
Thanks again Torn
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:16:00 -
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1.) You can't change a treaty after it has been signed without acceptance to the other part. -> you changed the rules 2.) You claim that the community wanted it this way which is not true. The community wanted that you split the whole pot into several prices that more people could win a share and therefor chances for everyone were higher. The way you did it, makes the lottery more attractive for the future regarding the prices BUT: you loose trust, as n.1 happened. people who wanted to have several prizes in total worth 4B can now only win 1.75B in total and have to pay more money to be able to win the rest of the 4B which they already payed for.
I don't really mind your changes, as winning chances are still VERY low, BUT if you had done it the right way (splitting up the whole pot into several prizes), my chances and that of everyone else would be at least twice as high.
I hope for the lottery that the community calms down and realizes that this cahnge might make the lottery BIGGER though the current participants might loose this time. Just make sure you DON'T change the rules AFTERWARDS in the future!
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Helison
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul @Fingon @Helison
*Convince* me why it should be like that.
*Convince* me that this would be the better solution overall.
*Convince* me that that would serve the cummunity as a whole better.
If that would be as easy.
ItŠs all about trust. If we know, that we can trust you, that our money is safe, that you donŠt change rules midway, we would take part in lotteries.
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Thats your prerogative you dont like those, but : Do tell me how you figure out your chance of winning the final pot in a lottery with no fixed prize, before the round is over?
I donŠt know, how big the pot is and I donŠt know how many tickets there are. But I know, that my ticket is 1000 isk worth (or 900 isk, if you subtract 10%). If there would be 1.000 tickets, the pot would be 1.000.000 and I have the chance of 0.001 to win it. If there are 10 times as many tickets, the pot will be 10 mio isk and my chance would be 0.0001 to win the whole pot. The worth of my ticket remains 1000 isk. If the price is divided, the maths are a bit more complicated, but my ticket is still 1000 isk worth.
But if there is a fixed-price lottery, I donŠt know how much my ticket is worth. It could be 5000 isk if there are only a few players participating or 200 isk if many are participating.
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Fingon
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:37:00 -
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@TornSoul
Why do I if I would like to have a chance to win part of the original pot have to pay in again for round 29 my original pay in for round 27. If I understand you correctly everyone that bought their tickets in round 27 will also be entered into round 28 where you pay out half of the original pot. It's only only fair that every ticket bought in round 27 should also be counted in round 29 where you pay out the other half of the pot from round 27.
Does this sound logical?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
Originally by: TornSoul @Fingon @Helison
*Convince* me why it should be like that.
*Convince* me that this would be the better solution overall.
*Convince* me that that would serve the cummunity as a whole better.
If that would be as easy.
If only
Originally by: Helison
ItŠs all about trust. If we know, that we can trust you, that our money is safe, that you donŠt change rules midway, we would take part in lotteries.
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Thats your prerogative you dont like those, but : Do tell me how you figure out your chance of winning the final pot in a lottery with no fixed prize, before the round is over?
I donŠt know, how big the pot is and I donŠt know how many tickets there are. But I know, that my ticket is 1000 isk worth (or 900 isk, if you subtract 10%). If there would be 1.000 tickets, the pot would be 1.000.000 and I have the chance of 0.001 to win it. If there are 10 times as many tickets, the pot will be 10 mio isk and my chance would be 0.0001 to win the whole pot. The worth of my ticket remains 1000 isk. If the price is divided, the maths are a bit more complicated, but my ticket is still 1000 isk worth.
But if there is a fixed-price lottery, I donŠt know how much my ticket is worth. It could be 5000 isk if there are only a few players participating or 200 isk if many are participating.
Ah ok - Thats the 'value of ticket thing' again. Not as you orginnally said "chance of winning" But nm - with "calculating 'value of ticket'", instead of "chance of winning" you original statement holds true (as you have demonstrated here) BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 25/05/2004 12:08:18
Originally by: Fingon @TornSoul
Why do I if I would like to have a chance to win part of the original pot have to pay in again for round 29 my original pay in for round 27. If I understand you correctly everyone that bought their tickets in round 27 will also be entered into round 28 where you pay out half of the original pot. It's only only fair that every ticket bought in round 27 should also be counted in round 29 where you pay out the other half of the pot from round 27.
Does this sound logical?
Yes it sounds 'logical' (aka I understand what you are saying - but I disagree)
It's been repeated many many times already.
To me the cornerstone of your stament, on which I build my argument is : "I would like to have a chance to win part of the original pot"
(Note the difference in whats bold)
My argument is (assuming the max prize is capped at 1 billion): Even if all 3.8 Billion where paid out in 28, the maximum prize you (aka any one individual) could win would be 1 billion (top prize is capped to this)
You just cant get anymore than that. And thats part of of the full pot.
So on your 1M you get back 1B.
Now - I now transfer some of the total pot to round 29. Regardless of this - The best you can do in the lottery is *still* a cool 1B on your 1M investment. The prizemoney you as an individual can win is still the same.
No tickets have had their chance of winning changed - as the amount of tickets remains unchanged.
So what just changed for you?
You still stand to walk away with 1B...
What did change however - is the chance of getting more billionaires in future drawings.. BIG Lottery
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:08:00 -
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TornSoul
its obvious that you're not taking anything written against your decision seriously, nor that what you have done may have been a mistake.
If the math, the number of players posting and valid arguments aren't going to convince you, then what will?
It's clear to me that you are desperately hanging on to a bad decision and have no intention of changing it. What is worse is that you leave responsibility for these actions on "players suggested this change". Well, if you're not going to be responsible for it, then at least compare the number of people protesting this against players suggesting this.
I would be very upset if I were in Vegas playing poker and suddenly the dealer takes half the pot being played "for a later round".
Why wouldn't this make you less trustworthy? if you cannot be trusted with the Lottery money, whos to say that you won't suddenly change the rules of BIG deal?
Anyway ThornSoul, do what you will, flame away as usual ignoring the validity of the arguments and claim that people have to "convince" you.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 25/05/2004 12:18:47
Originally by: NoNamium
What is worse is that you leave responsibility for these actions on "players suggested this change".
Try again. I have several times stated that: 1) The 'responsability' (as you put it) for changing the rules mid round is that of "players that suggested it" 2) Moving part of the pot to round 29 is fully my initiative.
I simply seized the oppertunity as 1) was happening anyway, to also do 2).
Do at least read up a bit, before accusing me of putting responsability on others for things I've done.
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flame away
Again you accuse me. Where have I flamed? BIG Lottery
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Fingon
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Yes it sounds 'logical' (aka I understand what you are saying - but I disagree)
It's been repeated many many times already.
To me the cornerstone of your stament, on which I build my argument is : "I would like to have a chance to win part of the original pot"
(Note the difference in whats bold)
My argument is (assuming the max prize is capped at 1 billion): Even if all 3.8 Billion where paid out in 28, the maximum prize you (aka any one individual) could win would be 1 billion (top prize is capped to this)
You just cant get anymore than that. And thats part of of the full pot.
So on your 1M you get back 1B.
Now - I now transfer some of the total pot to round 29. Regardless of this - The best you can do in the lottery is *still* a cool 1B on your 1M investment. The prizemoney you as an individual can win is still the same.
No tickets have had their chance of winning changed - as the amount of tickets remains unchanged.
So what just changed for you?
You still stand to walk away with 1B...
Yes I know I stand one chance of winnin 1B or 500M or 250M My point isn't that you are capping the payout. I don't really mind you capping the payout. What I mind is that you are taking a bit over 50% of the price money to fund round 29, where everyone has to buy new tickets from what I understand.
After you changed the rules what happened is.. Instead of ever single ticket holder paying in 1M what you did after the rule change is that 500k was paid in for tickets and 500k you considered a donation to the lottery for the next round. There is nothing in the rules either before or after you changed the rules stating this.
So again enter every one of the tickets from round 27 into round 28 and 29 people can still buy into theese rounds.. people that bought tickets to round 27 have not one but 2 chances of winning 1B and since you cap the payout in round 28 and 29 the sums in round 30 still have a fair chance of hitting 1.75B thus you have BIG money for round 31.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:21:00 -
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I can understand you getting angry about this. BUT accusing me of not reading up on the thread is at best childish. I have read this thread thouroughly and saying otherwise is only going to make me more upset.
What I suggest to you is before replying to anymore posts, you go to bed and get some sleep and think about it in the morning.
You didn't even comment on any of my other arguments... you simply found an argument that you thought you could tear appart and went with it... I think its about time that you reviewed your decision.
and how about giving numbers or names of players "who thought this was a good idea"
anyway get some sleep before you say something you might regret
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:23:00 -
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Time to repeat this one again I think - drownign in all the (repeated math)
Originally by: TornSoul
The main goal and the reason for making this change : For the long term betterment of the community - As this change hopefully will mean huge prizes to be paid for some time to come.
Thats the *only* reason for doing this.
Thats the *only* reason why I've spend an entire night and then some, trying to explain why (I believe) this change is a Good ThingÖ
Theres still nothing that have convinced me that this is not the better path. BIG Lottery
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:26:00 -
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why not draw like 6 prizes to combine the total of 3.8 billion in the next lottery that would be fair imho....
atm your just trying to stretch out the succes you had with the imperial apoc..
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Erika Gracilus
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:29:00 -
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Reading THIS RULES before entering lottery and official webpage I found next terms under witch I ENTERD this lottery
Originally by: TornSoul
. What furthermore makes this occation special - Is of course the very special prize we have this time around. Nothing less than an Imperial Issue Apocalypse. .
. Special rules for the BIG Lottery 1 Year Anniversary round (#27): 2) Additional tickets bought will *not* count on the day of the drawing (your ISK will not be lost however - see 3) 3) As we expect the 1 Year anniversary round of the BIG Lottery to become hugely popular due to the prize at offer the total pot size risk ending up 'out-shining' the the main prize itself. In honor of Martina Monterneux's late sister Gloria Monterneux we do not wish this to happen. As such - the ISK pot itself will be moved/added to the next round of the BIG Lottery (#28) . . .
So there you have it : By only buying tickets in the BIG Lottery 1 year anniversary round (#27) you actually get *two* chances of winning BIG In round #27 you get the chance of getting the Imperial Issue Apocalypse and in round #28 you get the chance of running away with the *combined* sum of ISK put into the BIGLottery pot, for rounds #27 and #28 - A sum I'm sure will beat any previous BIG Lottery records by far.
Good Luck.
Originally by: TornSoul
Besides the changes asked for, we on our own initiative made soem additional changes
Now it is more interesting, witch part of RULES you changed Originally by: TornSoul our own initiative
and why changes made after 18:00 GMT 24th May.
So (Quote from official BIG webpage FAQ)
Q : How can I be sure this is not a scam? A : You cant - simple as that. Either you trust us or you dont. If you mistrust us, dont play. But I encourage you to ask around if BIG can be trusted or not, I think you will find that the answer is "Yes BIG is very thrustworthy".
And regarding the "other part" witch you didn`t understand. I sum up for u: Why my tickets participate only in PART of POT from lottery #27, while in rules stated other. And who asked you to do that?
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: NoNamium on 25/05/2004 12:32:19 TornSoul
and nothing WILL convince you... congratulations on forcing BIG lottery participants to be your sponsors for many lotteries to come
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Laughter
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:34:00 -
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Like many people I'd not entered the BIG lottery until this event, but, drawn in by greed I had to at least give it a go.
My chances of winning anything were slim to nill (especially as I didn't resort to using alts to buy tickets) and, unsuprisingly, I won nothing. Now I find I have 3 chances to win money in the next draw, hurrah!
Out of all of the entrants, I see a small set of people on here complaining about the rule change, making vague analogies to real life situations, real life laws, throwing mathematics about....
It's simple. Draw #28 is already funded, draw #29 as well probably, after that point, well, it come down to the players, those who accept the new rules will continue to play, those who don't will stop.
So, wait till draw #30, maybe #31, if the BIG lottery folds up after that point as no-one wants to play, you'll be able to laugh at TornSoul and all the hard work that has gone into this venture. If the lottery continues however, I'll be glad of my increased chances of winning without you competing
Long live the BIG lottery
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:35:00 -
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Laughter if you're not going to be precise nor going to try to understand the arguments or have anything specific to say, please stay away from the conversation.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: NoNamium
BUT accusing me of not reading up on the thread is at best childish. I have read this thread thouroughly and saying otherwise is only going to make me more upset.
If you have read it so thouroughly, then you *must* have come across where I said that the decision of moving part of the pot to 29 was mine.
Regardless you say I blame this on those 'players that suggested changes'
Seen in that light - You accusing me of that, makes you a what?
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You didn't even comment on any of my other arguments...
What arguments? You entire post was postulations, some with regards to me not taking anything serious. I'll be the best judge of that thank you very much.
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you simply found an argument that you thought you could tear appart and went with it...
First of all - It was not an argument - It was an accusation, of me doing something I had not. Ofc I tear into it - What did you expect?
If I called you a hypocrit (without having anything to back it up), and you where not - Would you not in no uncertain terms inform me I was in-correct?
Anyhow - This is getting way way off-topic. Les try and stick to it shall we. BIG Lottery
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Laughter
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: NoNamium Laughter if you're not going to be precise nor going to try to understand the arguments or have anything specific to say, please stay away from the conversation.
Precise? I understand the arguments from both sides, thank you very much.
All your many many many posts mean nothing and simply repeat themselves. The only test of wether the new rules are 'acceptable' on not is whether the majority of people accept them.
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Efnita
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:41:00 -
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Quote: My argument is (assuming the max prize is capped at 1 billion): Even if all 3.8 Billion where paid out in 28, the maximum prize you (aka any one individual) could win would be 1 billion (top prize is capped to this)
The maximum anyone can win is 1 bln? I think im correct if i assume most plp hold more then one ticket and in most cases hold 1000 tickets. As long as they hold 3 tickets the maximum they could win is 1.75 bln. If you would pay out the entire pot the maximum anyone could win would be 3.8 bln depending on the number of prices and the number of tickets someone holds.
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Quote: By setting the payouts for draw #28 to at 1.75 bln you lowered the average return on investment on lottery tickets bought for this draw. In my eyes this is wrong.
By moving ISK from round 27 to round 28, and now from round 28 to 29, each round is no longer an isolated event, and the whole population encompasses all lottery rounds now. Thus you have to do your averages over this entire set.
As you can see I was talking about the average ROI on tickets bought for the upcoming draw so your argument doesnt hold.
If you want to make more billionaires why dont make 3 prices of 1 billion and split the rest of the money out in smaller sums all to be paid out in draw #28 I wouldnt object to a rule which states that everyone can win a maximum of one price for each draw. This way noone can win the whole pot, and the average ROI for tickets bought for this draw will stay the same.
It seems to me noone is complaining that the maximum they can win is 1 bln, but plp including me dont like part of the money the ticketholders put in the pot being transferred to other rounds
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: NoNamium Laughter if you're not going to be precise nor going to try to understand the arguments or have anything specific to say, please stay away from the conversation.
What a cheapshot...
Who gives you the right to pass judgement on Laughter and his motives and understanding of the matter.
The excact same paragraph could be directed at you. Whats the point?
Stay on topic instead (as Laughter did) Until you do - I'll have to ignore you. To much off topic and the thread would have to be closed. BIG Lottery
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 25/05/2004 12:55:23 Anology time:
Is BIG interested in a deal where they pay up front for 10 cruisers and 10 bs's, the 10 cruisers are given after 2 weeks the 10 bs's are supposed to be given in 2 weeks after that. Now when you come and get the cruisers I say though luck dude, im gonna give you 4 bs's while ill use those 6 other bs's so my corp can mine a bit more in the following 2 weeks and thus be able of selling you even more battleships isnt that great?!?
If so please let me know I'll give you dozens of those deals
Also do you really believe ethically correct to use isk which was gained under the pretences of that it would all be devided in this lottery to be used as some kind of venture captial without any form of return for the investors? Basicly if BIG wants these huge pots then thats cool with me, let them set it up find investors willing to invest alot of isk perhaps start adding the 10% adminstrative fees so you can set up a plan to have a return of investment etc. But to use money that you got to put into this pot for that purpose is really just plain theft/fraud whatever...
As to everyone saying there isnt a decrease in risk please do your maths again (in dutch its called a kosten-baten analyse, basicly the chances of winning anything become lower as more people enter but the prize money thats winnable goes up, thus thats fair if you take out prize money while the chance of winning is still alot lower and thus you take something away from me, and from the 4000 other lottery enterers (in this case devaluating the ticket price from the 1000 isk to 350 while still charging 1k isk)) -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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