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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.07.21 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Or, the other variant is the daily fleets. Just having been with one again, this is the most effing rediculous lagfest under the sun!!! In 15 minutes I barely managed to target ANYTHING due to lag, and if I nearly did targeting bars reset all the time for no reason (no, no ECM), and your modules won't activate for up to 5 minutes at all!
There were 4 falcons in that fight (I was one of them) You were loljammed through your preidictibility.
Nah, I had the same thing happen to me. I know what it is when you get jammed and I did get jammed near the end but what happened to me is I'd start targetting someone and when the timer went to 0 it just restarted instead of actually targetting the person. It did that until long after the person was destroyed and finally said "You fail to target nothing". That's not what happens when you get jammed.
Eventually I wound up getting popped by a Mega as I sat there unable to do anything.
I mean, I lost a measily 3 mil in fittings on my T1 cruiser but after wasting two hours on that I've decided to fly solo or in small gangs until CCP fixes the lag.
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2008.07.21 08:16:00 -
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I find it ironic that FW is taking place
And nobody seems to see that caldari sucks as hard as they do even with such superior numbers.
The technology *****s they are, and they can't fight off even fleets...
"The caldari empire, descends upon you... our missles will blot out the system.."
"Then we will warp away"
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Ion Hound
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 19/07/2008 22:24:16 As I am writing this, I am pretty much unbelievably ****ed (no, not drunk but annoyed, disappointed and outright angry).
After some days of FW, which was kinda supposed to rectify the fact that the oh so grand supposed pinacle of Eve, which is said to be PvP, is nothing but blob warfare, I have the following statement about FW:
CCP - this is STILL EPIC FAIL!
Why? Lets see. FW for me has been fleet battles or plexing. Lets see what plexing means:
1. jump arround for ages for buying all sorts of stuff for a ship (geez, whatever happened to Interbus?) 2. warping 15 jumps in total boredom 3. if you are in ANYTHING but a frig or ceptor, rest assured the first gate camp will send you to the cloning station, so level 2-4 missions and larger plexes are outright out of the question unless you have a sizeable fleet - which usually doesn't care for missions or plexes. 4. scan, at times for an hour or so, which means basically watching a friggin status bar advance over 30 seconds for godknowshowmany times. Worst. Timesink. Ever. 5. usually, end up doing PvE fighting rats in a plex cause nobody seems to defend them anyway.
Or, the other variant is the daily fleets. Just having been with one again, this is the most effing rediculous lagfest under the sun!!! In 15 minutes I barely managed to target ANYTHING due to lag, and if I nearly did targeting bars reset all the time for no reason (no, no ECM), and your modules won't activate for up to 5 minutes at all!
When the client eventually unfreezes, one is out a rigged ship, T2 fits, and a POD. Wasn't that fun? Geez, I might just go mine Veld for two weeks to get another one!!!!!
Whats the message here? I call for one last time on CCP to come down from their at least at times darn arrogant attitude and stop setting records with the server, and poke their heads over the fence a bit. Look at Guild Wars (because I happen to know that a bit I take that as an example here): I press a button and I have PvP within a minute or less - always! Don't gimme any cr*p now how that's not an MMORPG or throw stuff about WoW my way - point is, there is instant PvP that works, thats fun - and its ffs surely not in Eve.
The one time I had _some_ fun in FW was PvPing in a frig only plex - there's the message CCP, put some 1 vs 1 or team arenas into the game where the lag is manageable. After the fleet mess I have seen today I am SURE you will NEVER fix fleet battles because you can't go arround LATENCY, so please STOP THAT and work on breaking up blobs, and create stuff in the game that doesn't actually encourages nothing but blobbing.
So thats that said.
Edit:
Yes, I had sound off. Yes, I had effects off. Yes, I had zoomed out all the way. Yes, I had gimped my overview down. Yes, I have a firewall thats optimized and a darn good ping.
The lag from 250 ppl doing FW is still effing unbelievable.
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Hannobaal
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.21 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: BhallSpawn I find it ironic that FW is taking place
And nobody seems to see that caldari sucks as hard as they do even with such superior numbers.
The technology *****s they are, and they can't fight off even fleets...
"The caldari empire, descends upon you... our missles will blot out the system.."
"Then we will warp away"
It's tha players, not the ships.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: johnplayer i fully agree with OP dont know why some cant see what hes sayin....
maybe u a bit numb in the brains or somethin but he is totally right
back to better games for me too FW sucks ass
and no u cant have my stuff so stfu
OP alt detected.
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Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence the person. It did that until long after the person was destroyed and finally said "You fail to target nothing". That's not what happens when you get jammed.
Eventually I wound up gettin
Every new Eve release contains one new "feature" that CCP absolutely REFUSE to acknowledge the new existance of.
Chance based targetting is the hallmark of Empyrean Age.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xonkra sooooo who is forcing you to do FW ?
This repsonse is beginning to **** me off. Yes, to a certain extent I agree with it, but when you're not forced to do anything, you have to pick something. If it all fails for you, then you leave. I imagine CCP are trying to get a collection of options for people to do so they'll find one they like and stick to it, which they currently aren't doing.
So get off your high horse and look at the bigger picture.
To the OP: I've not tried FW, for this very worry.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:24:00 -
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Oh yeah, Cheyenne...
I think FW sucks in every conceivable way.
My solution to that was to ignore FW. Eventually they will get it to the point of Beta testing, then it might be worth a look, though since it is supposed to appeal to the mindless alt army, I can't ever see it being anything more than an F1-F8 lagfest, alpha, beta or final. |
Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:27:00 -
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Though rather amusingly, with Factionalt warfare came a ****ING HUGE PRICE INCREASE.
So, for this alpha testing feature that is pretty dull, I am expected to pay more. In fact Eve is the most expensive game computer game on earth now, and that's before you end up buying ISK from CCP so that you can compete with 5 year old veterans living the easy life off the back of archaic game features you have no chance to plunder for yourself.
Pretty impressive huh... in who's book? not mine. |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.21 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lily Cole Though rather amusingly, with Factionalt warfare came a ****ING HUGE PRICE INCREASE.
It did? Strange that. I pay the same now as before FW.
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Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:15:00 -
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Secret to FW success:
1. purchase destroyer or frigate. 2. fit with mad t2 lewt 3. fly into small plexes 4. shoot 5. die or win, either way you have fun.
As an added bonus all of the fittings can usually be had in any reasonable hub. I shop in Hek and never have to move anywhere and there's always plexes 3 or 4 jumps away.
I'm not signed up to a faction and I just tool around pirating but I have found the amarr guys in Metropolis are more than happy to engage me. In fact they are willing to go crim flagged for the fight so I am guessing you are in the wrong place. -
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:07:00 -
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So this is FW And what has EVE done? Gave me more targets and lots more blob fun
And then there's those plexes We have to scan down to kill loads of rats cause this war must be won
A very laggy system full of carebears and noobs We shoot them with blasters and railguns and drones
They run off and hide cos They think they can't win They come back and blob us Set us up the lag bomb
But the server survived it Cause the whines aren't all true And we all kicked some squid ass Took some pirates out too
And now you are whining You deny our great fun And your post shares the title of the song I've just sung
So STFU op And GTFO And can I have your stuff when you go back to Wow -
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Spurty
Caldari Cthulhu seaworm cult
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Novemb3r Secret to FW success:
1. purchase destroyer or frigate. 2. fit with mad t2 lewt 3 undock ...
... in your highsec, get popped by the enemy militia waiting outside the station.
You missed that part.
Failing that, first jump into lowsec, hit a pirate camp of non-fw corps and pop or if you manage to get further than that ...
Find a system that is contested, warp to planets and scan for anomalies. After 3 mins of doing this get a hit and warp to the beacon that is now visible to all in system. Find you aren't the first to the gate, click it to warp and bam, you are scrambled and popped by the non-fw hac sitting at the gate and not having to worry about gate guns as it aggresses you.
I've seen all of the above happen, wonderful experience for all but the numb-nutts that died. -- A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only clingfilm for shorts. The shrink says, "Well, I can clearly see you're nuts." |
Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Novemb3r Secret to FW success:
1. purchase destroyer or frigate. 2. fit with mad t2 lewt 3 undock ...
... in your highsec, get popped by the enemy militia waiting outside the station.
You missed that part.
Failing that, first jump into lowsec, hit a pirate camp of non-fw corps and pop or if you manage to get further than that ...
Find a system that is contested, warp to planets and scan for anomalies. After 3 mins of doing this get a hit and warp to the beacon that is now visible to all in system. Find you aren't the first to the gate, click it to warp and bam, you are scrambled and popped by the non-fw hac sitting at the gate and not having to worry about gate guns as it aggresses you.
I've seen all of the above happen, wonderful experience for all but the numb-nutts that died.
A frigate will align faster than locks most of the time (if not, use a nano or i-stab). A cruiser/destroyer would need a warp stab. I wouldn't fly solo in destroyer/cruiser without a warp stab, I wouldn't fly in a BC/BS solo period. Just my 2 cents, heavily factoring in that I can't afford to lose $100M rigged BS.
Generally speaking though if you're solo with a warp stab you can always choose whether or not you want to fight unless you are flying BC or higher (BC or higher you have a much larger chance of getting double locked before you can align).
Anyway if you're dying to solo HAC's in a frigate/destroyer/cruiser then you're doin it wrong.
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Spurty
Caldari Cthulhu seaworm cult
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Anyway if you're dying to solo HAC's in a frigate/destroyer/cruiser then you're doin it wrong.
o'rly, do educate -- A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only clingfilm for shorts. The shrink says, "Well, I can clearly see you're nuts." |
Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Anyway if you're dying to solo HAC's in a frigate/destroyer/cruiser then you're doin it wrong.
o'rly, do educate
1. Stay out of web range, pop drones (should be possible against a non-Ishtar) OR 2. Warp off before he can lock (you were aligned in that complex, right?) OR 3. Be 80KM from the warp-in point, giving you time to align and warp
Using those tactics, a HAC shouldn't be a problem. Alternatively you could just do medium plexes or smaller, where HACs can't enter. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Anyway if you're dying to solo HAC's in a frigate/destroyer/cruiser then you're doin it wrong.
o'rly, do educate
Did you read the post? If you have a warp core stab on the enemy will need two warp disruptors to prevent you from warping - so if you don't like the fight just warp off to a safe spot. It isn't rocket science.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 21/07/2008 15:04:53
Originally by: Indigo Darkwolf
Personally, my only gripe about FW is that neutral gangs are still too powerful. Why should a 100+ FW blob have to avoid a 20-ish neutral gang? It happens, though, because when a neutral blob shoots at a FW fleet member, the only person who can shoot back without taking a standings hit is the one guy being targeted.
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Am I completely insane, an idiot, or have I missed something important?
An idiot likely. If a neutral shoots one of your gang members illegally he will become globally criminally flagged and free for all.
The case where you can't defend a gang member being shot legally are few and far between, shooter have killright on shootee, shooter is in a corporation war with shootee, shootee is an outlaw.
So yeah, you are missing something important.
Oh, and someone FCing a 100 men fleet avoiding a 20 men gang should really tell his mother that no, she won't have grandchildren anytime soon. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine. |
Syberbolt8
Gallente Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Syberbolt8 on 26/07/2008 00:53:12
Originally by: Crumplecorn So this is FW And what has EVE done? Gave me more targets and lots more blob fun
And then there's those plexes We have to scan down to kill loads of rats cause this war must be won
A very laggy system full of carebears and noobs We shoot them with blasters and railguns and drones
They run off and hide cos They think they can't win They come back and blob us Set us up the lag bomb
But the server survived it Cause the whines aren't all true And we all kicked some squid ass Took some pirates out too
And now you are whining You deny our great fun And your post shares the title of the song I've just sung
So STFU op And GTFO And can I have your stuff when you go back to Wow
****ing epic
Saved for later use
Edit: sry forgot to ask for your stuff?
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