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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:37:00 -
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I've finally returned to Eve after 5 years, now that I have more time to dedicate to an online game. I feel almost brand new to the game and am already overwhelmed with all the new stuff.
After reading the forums some, I've noticed that some folks recommend starting over instead of using your old characters. I'm not really sure why to be honest. I have nearly 3mil sp and previously focused quite a bit of training into mining/industry skills and have mining V, refining V, refining efficiency V, industry V to name a few.
I have the 6 entry level Learning skills trained to IV each and my attributes are as followed: Intelligence 15 Perception 8 Charisma 9 Willpower 15 Memory 15
Right now I'm just a couple days of training away from flying a retriever mining barge.
In this day and age, I realize I don't have that much sp, but could anyone explain to me why I should start over and if I'm missing something?
Thanks in advance :)
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:42:00 -
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Your perception is awfully low (even more if you say you trained up the learning skill to lvl 4). That means that you will have lots of trouble training for shipskills (amongst other things) so if you want to stay for the long haul then you will lose a lot of time because of it.
If you feel that you're not in any rush whatsoever and/or don't think you'll play more than a few months then it's ok, otherwise I would suggest to restart.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:49:00 -
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Could training the advanced Learning skills and maybe an implant or something help my perception enough so I'm not handicapped and in need of starting over?
I would hate to redo all of the training that I've already accomplished if my situation can be remedied.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:50:00 -
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The reason why a restart might be nice is because you do not want any attribute lower than 20 modified (except perhaps Charisma).
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/07/2008 08:53:07
You should start over if you only have 3 million sp. New characters get 800k just to start with these days. You will be at 3 million after about 2 months or so.
I would put every attribute pretty equal except for charisma which I would put slightly lower but not by much. Its useful for mission running and leadership skills (these are good in pvp later).
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The reason why a restart might be nice is because you do not want any attribute lower than 20 modified (except perhaps Charisma).
When you say modified, what is included in that?
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khaelum When you say modified, what is included in that?
Implants + learning skills trained up.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Khaelum on 20/07/2008 08:58:47
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/07/2008 08:53:07
You should start over if you only have 3 million sp. New characters get 800k just to start with these days. You will be at 3 million after about 2 months or so.
I would put every attribute pretty equal except for charisma which I would put slightly lower but not by much. Its useful for mission running and leadership skills (these are good in pvp later).
Any particular race, bloodline, etc I should focus on that will be the most beneficial? Not sure how the character creation stuff works these days.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Originally by: Khaelum When you say modified, what is included in that?
Implants + learning skills trained up.
How much towards my attributes can I consider an average implant to provide?
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khaelum Could training the advanced Learning skills and maybe an implant or something help my perception enough so I'm not handicapped and in need of starting over?
I would hate to redo all of the training that I've already accomplished if my situation can be remedied.
You are pretty well setup for all the science, mining and production careers with the attributes and level 5 skills you listed. So what I would do is finish out the training to get this character productive and then use one of your spare character slots to make a brand new combat character. That way you can keep your industry alt in place to maximise profits and fund your combat alt whilst he galavants around pew pewing to his hearts content.
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Toramii
Gallente Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:02:00 -
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I back what Jim says above, plus your old character will make a nice industrial / hauler / miner alt which can come in handy.
Attribute modifiers = learning skills, advanced learning skills and attribute booster implants.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Khaelum Could training the advanced Learning skills and maybe an implant or something help my perception enough so I'm not handicapped and in need of starting over?
I would hate to redo all of the training that I've already accomplished if my situation can be remedied.
You are pretty well setup for all the science, mining and production careers with the attributes and level 5 skills you listed. So what I would do is finish out the training to get this character productive and then use one of your spare character slots to make a brand new combat character. That way you can keep your industry alt in place to maximise profits and fund your combat alt whilst he galavants around pew pewing to his hearts content.
Is it best to do it like this or should I restart, fix my attributes and have one character do everything. Not sure of the upsides/downsides of each.
Can multiple toons on one account train at the same time?
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Toramii
Gallente Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Toramii on 20/07/2008 09:05:24
Originally by: Khaelum
Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Originally by: Khaelum When you say modified, what is included in that?
Implants + learning skills trained up.
How much towards my attributes can I consider an average implant to provide?
Implants provide from +1 to +5 boost. Average implant @ +3.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Toramii I back what Jim says above, plus your old character will make a nice industrial / hauler / miner alt which can come in handy.
Attribute modifiers = learning skills, advanced learning skills and attribute booster implants.
Mostly all I've ever done in this life is mine ore and such. I may possibly want to do missions and fly a BS some day, which causes me to question if I'm really that screwed up in my attributes that I can't cope with it.
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:09:00 -
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if you are going to fly a bs later on you are FKED with your skills, cause it would take forever to train the ship and weapon skills with that low Perception values
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The reason why a restart might be nice is because you do not want any attribute lower than 20 modified (except perhaps Charisma).
Once I train my reg. perception learning skill to V and the advanced one to V, that will be 6 more points into perception. Add a +3 implant and that will bring me up to 17 in perception. Is that too low to adequately train for ships and such?
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 20/07/2008 09:14:36
Originally by: Khaelum Is it best to do it like this or should I restart, fix my attributes and have one character do everything. Not sure of the upsides/downsides of each.
Can multiple toons on one account train at the same time?
Your attributes are fine for the career paths I mentioned. As your only going to train up the barge and industrial hauler spaceship command skills you won't need an effecient perception level as the vast majority of the training will be using your memory and intelligence skills. As for restarting there is no need as long as you have a free slot on your client. Why would you want to waste all that perfectly usable sp when 'restarting' is as simple as using another slot?
edit: upsides/downsides. With one character you can only be in one place at a time and have one set of implants(not including jump clones) installed for any specific purpose. With two characters you can completely customise each character with the skills and implants to maxiise its effeciency in whatever role you have it trained for. Plus being in two places at once can be handy is your combat character is stuck deep in 0.0 and your industry alt is in safe empire waiting to roll in the iskies as you wait out the station camp.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Khaelum Is it best to do it like this or should I restart, fix my attributes and have one character do everything. Not sure of the upsides/downsides of each.
Can multiple toons on one account train at the same time?
Your attributes are fine for the career paths I mentioned. As your only going to train up the barge and industrial hauler spaceship command skills you won't need an effecient perception level as the vast majority of the training will be using your memory and intelligence skills. As for restarting there is no need as long as you have a free slot on your client. Why would you want to waste all that perfectly usable sp when 'restarting' is as simple as using another slot?
Is there a downside to using 2 toons instead of a single jack of all trades?
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Toramii
Gallente Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khaelum
Originally by: Toramii I back what Jim says above, plus your old character will make a nice industrial / hauler / miner alt which can come in handy.
Attribute modifiers = learning skills, advanced learning skills and attribute booster implants.
Mostly all I've ever done in this life is mine ore and such. I may possibly want to do missions and fly a BS some day, which causes me to question if I'm really that screwed up in my attributes that I can't cope with it.
Grab a copy of Evemon, plan out your medium / long term career / ship goals with any learning / implants you think are suitable. Compare your current character stats against other racial starter characturistics. Hopefully that will guide your decision.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/07/2008 09:23:59
Originally by: Khaelum
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The reason why a restart might be nice is because you do not want any attribute lower than 20 modified (except perhaps Charisma).
Once I train my reg. perception learning skill to V and the advanced one to V, that will be 6 more points into perception. Add a +3 implant and that will bring me up to 17 in perception. Is that too low to adequately train for ships and such?
No not really, but it takes a bit longer. On the other hand, you save time on mining related skills instead, so whatever you train more is worth having more points in.
I recommend this thread for you, there you can see exactly how much the training time for a specific skill change depending on what your attributes are.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:21:00 -
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Yes, there's generic support skills like cap, navigation and all that you have to relearn twice, and ofcourse the learning skills.
If you really 'just' want to PVE (mining and missions) then it's not that much of s problem since you'll just fly the Raven forever. Thing is that having such low perception you will have no real choices if you want to do/try something else.
As stated, these days people start with a nice 800k of skills so you could take it from there. On a different note; there's more to EVE than running missions or mining, I suggest that you really try to work out what you want to do and then decide if you want to restart.
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Khaelum
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:30:00 -
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Thanks for the advice everyone, it's greatly appreciated.
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Sythyss
Twilight Trading Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.25 12:22:00 -
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I would second that evemon idea. Set a plan for like a T2 BS or something and see how much your current characters differs from a more balanced one, attribute-wise.
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