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Tenzo
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Posted - 2004.05.25 22:49:00 -
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This is my view - i know i will be in trouble for posting this but i feel i have to make my feelings known.
You have slated this Lottery on nearly all the threads - i just CANNOT understand some peoples way of thinking.
BIG has reserved the right to take a 10% cut - BIG has NEVER actually taken that 10% and BIG has never made any isk at all on the lottery.
BIG has not and will not EVER scam - this simply boils to morals and ethics. We just wouldn't and our track record shows this.
BIG has taken the opportunity to enrich the lives of more players rather than just one by spreading the jackpots out - surely you would be happier about this?
I do not think you understand the simply ASTOUNDING amount of effort Tornsoul puts into this. This guy is giving something to the EVE, and it is just Tornsoul, for no fee for no charge for nothing - just for the love of the game.
I will not and can not stand back and watch people slate the work and graft that Torn has put in. The guy is an enigma to me... he has started a corp that shares everything ( a risky thing to do in the world of EVE ) - and it has developed into a highly succesful Corp full of great people. He runs the BIG Lottery and the BIG Deal. Both highly succesful ventures in their own right. Both asking for the trust of every single customer. NEVER has he violated that trust.
From this Corp he has run an event that stretches that sharing ethic throughout the world of EVE....
And some of you have the gall to sit there and slate it all because the jackpot isnt what you thought it was going to be the first time round. The BIG Lottery is a good thing - a piece of harmless fun that has made the limelight and now is being slated because of its success - perhaps because changes were made that should or shouldnt have been.
Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts.
I know you are never going to please everyone but it winds me up to see the attitude of some of the posts.
Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
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nashi
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:09:00 -
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I will stand with Tenzo and second his statements.
- nashi another Proud member of BIG
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Dubi
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:33:00 -
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Quote: Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts
Ok I have re-evaluated my post still think the odds is not in my favour with the new system. I wish you good luck with your new system but it's not for me and can I now have my money back. Since when I invested it you told me something diffrent. you have the right to change your mind but so have I.
And I don't think you will take any money from me or anything like that I just feel that BIG now might chance the deal when they so see fit and by doing that changing the odds for me compared to the guy that enters the next lottery because the next lottery will be payed for with part of my money no mather how many participate or if I can participate.
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Takari
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Takari on 25/05/2004 23:53:13 I hate to walk into the middle of a multi part war but alas..
Originally by: Tenzo
Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts.
The problem here is that these people entered because they "knew" that the entire pot was going to be won in this next round of the lottery, they "knew" this because the rules said so. Whether one person wins it all or 100 people win a portion is not the argument. If they had "known" they were going to only be entering for a chance at the apoc and a share of 1.75bil alot of people would have still entered. I can't justifiably say "everyone" but a vast majority. The issue is that what people "knew" to be true based on previously stated rules was changed *after* they spent their money.
Quote: Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
Nor doesn't matter, there are lots of things I can't and/or won't do, does this effectively make it so that I am not allowed to comment on such things?
Takari
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.05.26 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dubi
Quote: Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts
Ok I have re-evaluated my post still think the odds is not in my favour with the new system. I wish you good luck with your new system but it's not for me and can I now have my money back. Since when I invested it you told me something diffrent. you have the right to change your mind but so have I.
And I don't think you will take any money from me or anything like that I just feel that BIG now might chance the deal when they so see fit and by doing that changing the odds for me compared to the guy that enters the next lottery because the next lottery will be payed for with part of my money no mather how many participate or if I can participate.
Sorry to say maybe BIG's system was a little flawed with this drawing but what you expect from this being the first drawin? What I they did was probley the best way to do it giving more people to get a chance. Even though spliting it up in to a multi-lotto I might not be for its still cool.
Besides if you won the apoc would you still give it up and have them refund your money. Didn't think so.
Big congrats to BIG for putting up with all the abuse and keeping cool about it. Fear The Bunny
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: DeathBunny
Originally by: Dubi
Quote: Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts
Ok I have re-evaluated my post still think the odds is not in my favour with the new system. I wish you good luck with your new system but it's not for me and can I now have my money back. Since when I invested it you told me something diffrent. you have the right to change your mind but so have I.
And I don't think you will take any money from me or anything like that I just feel that BIG now might chance the deal when they so see fit and by doing that changing the odds for me compared to the guy that enters the next lottery because the next lottery will be payed for with part of my money no mather how many participate or if I can participate.
Sorry to say maybe BIG's system was a little flawed with this drawing but what you expect from this being the first drawin?
This is hardly the first draw from BIG
Originally by: DeathBunny
What I they did was probley the best way to do it giving more people to get a chance. Even though spliting it up in to a multi-lotto I might not be for its still cool.
If you want to donate money for further events thats your business. personally I'd like to have a choise before I donate.
Originally by: DeathBunny
Besides if you won the apoc would you still give it up and have them refund your money. Didn't think so.
what does this have to do with anything. BIG didn't pay for the apocalypse and didn't earn anything. They should be glad that CCP chose to give them some free publicity.
Originally by: DeathBunny
Big congrats to BIG for putting up with all the abuse and keeping cool about it.
If anyone is putting up with abuse then its the players protesting TornSouls decision.
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Godless
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Posted - 2004.05.26 06:41:00 -
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Well said Tenzo.
(Been hard not to get involved in all the other posts hasn't it...)
Godless.
Very proud member of BIG.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Godless Well said Tenzo.
(Been hard not to get involved in all the other posts hasn't it...)
Godless.
Very proud member of BIG.
lets have some more yes-men from BIG or affiliations of BIG telling how just and noble they are.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:21:00 -
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Me and my Corp have no affiliation with BIG Nonamium
But well done to BIG and TornSoul for the way they have handled this lottery and for having the testicular fortitude to make a change that is for the best in the long run
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley Me and my Corp have no affiliation with BIG Nonamium
congratulations!
Originally by: Mrmuttley
But well done to BIG and TornSoul for the way they have handled this lottery and for having the testicular fortitude to make a change that is for the best in the long run
did you pay the full 1M for an entry for the last round?... if so you're out 540k of that money, statistically speaking.
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Psiron
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:48:00 -
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I give up.
If you win.... blah blah blah the pot was not big enough... blah blah blah ..... I want it all.....
If you loose ..... blah blah blah It was rigged.... They changed the rules..... blah blah blah
A nice arrangment would be if you win, donate the money to me & ill refund your 1 million isk you paid originally as that way you have not spent any money. What did you expect from gambling. The money you pay to BIG you should expect to loose as no gambling is 100% win win (infact not even 1%)
When I entered, the pot was 1 billion. I like the idea of spreading it over a few lottery draws as it gives MORE chance of getting rich quick.
Oh and the fact that you loose out because they limited the pot size affects EVERYONE, not just you & I'm happy with that.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Psiron I give up.
doesn't seem like it
Originally by: Psiron
If you win.... blah blah blah the pot was not big enough... blah blah blah ..... I want it all.....
If you loose ..... blah blah blah It was rigged.... They changed the rules..... blah blah blah
well put
Originally by: Psiron
A nice arrangment would be if you win, donate the money to me & ill refund your 1 million isk you paid originally as that way you have not spent any money. What did you expect from gambling. The money you pay to BIG you should expect to loose as no gambling is 100% win win (infact not even 1%)
Any serious gambler know that there are odds for a game, and if "the house" are manipulating the odds then its called... tadaaa... CHEATING!
Originally by: Psiron
When I entered, the pot was 1 billion. I like the idea of spreading it over a few lottery draws as it gives MORE chance of getting rich quick.
Good for you, now refund the money BIG to those who does not think this is a great idea
Originally by: Psiron
Oh and the fact that you loose out because they limited the pot size affects EVERYONE, not just you & I'm happy with that.
Yes, it affect the BIG corporation and the group of players who payed 3.8B isk for a lottery they later were told only has a value of 1.75B isk.
Originally by: Psiron
Keep up the good work BIG.
For the first and the last time... this is not as much about the money as it is about that BIG cheated the players. The broke an agreement and kept 2B isk to do with as they wish. It just so happens that they want to use the money for promotion of their lottery and as a safety buffer for the prizes on the lottery. I couldn't care less about what they use the 2B for... they scammed about 4000 players out of 2B isk. The short and the long of it.
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Gala Atomica
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:13:00 -
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BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:38:00 -
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How do we know next lottery you won't turn around and say top prize is now capped at 100 million, you'll be using the left other money as buffer to make more millionares, the point is now you can change the rules whenver you liked, you could change the top prize to 100 isk for all we know.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with most of the complaints written in the forum. The question is wether or not BIG cheated players out of a total prize pool of 3.8B isk. Not if this is hard for TornSoul or not. I'm sure that running a 4000 player event is though, but that's not the issue.
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Gala Atomica
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: NoNamium
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with most of the complaints written in the forum. The question is wether or not BIG cheated players out of a total prize pool of 3.8B isk. Not if this is hard for TornSoul or not. I'm sure that running a 4000 player event is though, but that's not the issue.
Oooh! It has a lot to do with the complaints written in the forum. The question is there are corps like BIG working HARD to make events like this and there are greedy players like YOU who are trolling the forums because it didn't go exactly the way you expected.
You can trust BIG, they have never cheated anyone so far and the devs said they would check carefully where goes the money so stop making noise, you are ridiculizing yourself and appear as a very greedy and little person in public.
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Erika Gracilus
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:20:00 -
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2 BIG and those, who tells about greed. Read this carefully.
If BIG announced at the start of lottery #27 that 50% going to the pot and 50% is donated for "future lotteries", 99% of current #27 round participants would enter anyway. I personaly would enter too. But in this situation, BIG forced people to donate 50% to "somebodies" future. By one man decision you forced people to participate in future. How do you know that all participants of #27 round planned to participate in that future? You didnt give peoples right to decide. You decided for 4000 people.
Just think about next decisions, BIG (and presonaly, TornSoul). Dont force people to do smth.
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Gala Atomica
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:27:00 -
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It's crazy, you guys obviously never organized anything. Sometimes you need to change some things, understand it. Organize an event this week end then come back tell us about it.
You whine because you will get ONLY 1Bisk if you win instead of 4? Come on... If it is not about greed what is it about?
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica
Originally by: NoNamium
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with most of the complaints written in the forum. The question is wether or not BIG cheated players out of a total prize pool of 3.8B isk. Not if this is hard for TornSoul or not. I'm sure that running a 4000 player event is though, but that's not the issue.
Oooh! It has a lot to do with the complaints written in the forum. The question is there are corps like BIG working HARD to make events like this and there are greedy players like YOU who are trolling the forums because it didn't go exactly the way you expected.
Exactly the way I expected. I didn't expect the rules of the game to be changed midway and I didn't expect to lose haf my entry fee from the prize pool. I don't care about BIGs hard work, like so many others I'm in it to win the prizes.
Originally by: Gala Atomica
You can trust BIG, they have never cheated anyone so far and the devs said they would check carefully where goes the money so stop making noise, you are ridiculizing yourself and appear as a very greedy and little person in public.
actually you're the one ridiculing yourself by using namecalling. No, I can't trust BIG... they've just proven it.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.26 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica It's crazy, you guys obviously never organized anything. Sometimes you need to change some things, understand it. Organize an event this week end then come back tell us about it.
You whine because you will get ONLY 1Bisk if you win instead of 4? Come on... If it is not about greed what is it about?
If BIG will institute Draw 28 with:
First prize 1 Bill ISK 2nd prize 500 mill ISK 3rd prize 250 mill ISK 4th prize: 20 * 100 mill ISK
then all of our complaints are withdrawn. In fact, I'd applaud them for making 23 people rich instead of one person insanely rich.
If they insist on holding 2 billion over for future draws, then they HAVE cheated. That is a mathematically proven fact, and has nothing to do with what they're going to use the money for. If you steal for a good cause, you're still a thief.
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2004.05.26 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
This was and wasn't a question - it was directed at all the forum trolls. All i am basically saying is cut the guy some slack. He works very very hard on this Lottery and people have slated him for it. I just want people to get it into perspective. Torn does this for nothing... does it for free... does it for fun .
Put yourself in his shoes...It cant be easy.
NoNamium - Dude WTF are you smoking. Stop trolling these topics. NOONE is scamming you out of 2 Billion ISK. The pot is being shared into the draws that follow on. Making more people rich. This has never been about making money.... it has been about sharing it.
I understand the principle of people saying it was a bad decision and I will admit that the decision should have been made before the event but nooone foresaw the massive interest and huge amounts of money that would be involved. It is therefore a sensible idea to share the pot to more people.
However i will not let people like yourself sit there and make some bull**** that BIG are scamming. We aren't and CCP can check this.
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Kapacs
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Posted - 2004.05.26 11:11:00 -
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Ok....so far I tend to think against the lottery and most of the times I shut up just to avoid the gory responses to my own opinion.
Now the hilarious part which Tenzo is trying to show here is that this is done "for the love of the game". Let me tell you something, give me a person in the world, anyone you consider an idol or perhaps someone that impressed you in some way, not looking at his social status that he/she has done something for the community out of pure pleasure and meant to satisfy the god loving society.
A second aspect at which these accusations could be seen is that BIG tryed for a propaganda. Who knows what price the pot went to? All of us look and see what he writes in the forum, no actual screenshots of ingame amounts are ever given. So the "love of the game" is a true concept, for the one who benefits from it. You people can blame me as much as you want for saying these lines in public, however never judge me for what I hav said since you might not speak the truth concisely yourself
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2004.05.26 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kapacs Ok....so far I tend to think against the lottery and most of the times I shut up just to avoid the gory responses to my own opinion.
Now the hilarious part which Tenzo is trying to show here is that this is done "for the love of the game". Let me tell you something, give me a person in the world, anyone you consider an idol or perhaps someone that impressed you in some way, not looking at his social status that he/she has done something for the community out of pure pleasure and meant to satisfy the god loving society.
A second aspect at which these accusations could be seen is that BIG tryed for a propaganda. Who knows what price the pot went to? All of us look and see what he writes in the forum, no actual screenshots of ingame amounts are ever given. So the "love of the game" is a true concept, for the one who benefits from it. You people can blame me as much as you want for saying these lines in public, however never judge me for what I hav said since you might not speak the truth concisely yourself
If you think BIG have gone that far then is that not a job for CCP send in a petition but IMHO you sir are a paranoid fool
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Dyring
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Posted - 2004.05.26 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tenzo
NoNamium - Dude WTF are you smoking. Stop trolling these topics. NOONE is scamming you out of 2 Billion ISK. The pot is being shared into the draws that follow on. Making more people rich. This has never been about making money.... it has been about sharing it.
I understand the principle of people saying it was a bad decision and I will admit that the decision should have been made before the event but nooone foresaw the massive interest and huge amounts of money that would be involved. It is therefore a sensible idea to share the pot to more people.
However i will not let people like yourself sit there and make some bull**** that BIG are scamming. We aren't and CCP can check this.
Yes you are. its this simple. What most players asked for was a split pot. Instead of every ticket having 1 chance at the full pot, (0,000026 % chance of winning 3.8 billions), every ticket should have for example: 3*1 billion = 0.000072 % chance at winning 1 bil, plus 1*500 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 500 millions, plus 1*300 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 300 millions. that could be divided up in alot of different ways, but thats the principel of it.
Instead, youv split it like this. 0.000026 chance at 1 billion 0.000026 chance at 500 mil 0.000026 chance at 250 mil.
Tornsoul asked what we possibly lost from this. according to my above example it is rather obvious what we lost. This can not possibly be hard to understand? I think you are simply playing stupid. The players who have bought tickets for this lottery have been cheated/scammed/fooled out of a proportionally big chance at winning.
And you say it is not a scam because you are doing it for the community. New analogy time. I sell a scorpion on trade, and the player buying it doesent check, so he gets a merlin instead. Now, that would be a scam yes? But according to your logic, If I then give the money away to other players without keeping any of it myself, then it is not a scam? huh?
//dyring
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tenzo
Originally by: Gala Atomica BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
This was and wasn't a question - it was directed at all the forum trolls.
Who's to say who the trolls here are... those FOR or those AGAINST TornSouls Decision?
Originally by: Tenzo
All i am basically saying is cut the guy some slack. He works very very hard on this Lottery and people have slated him for it. I just want people to get it into perspective. Torn does this for nothing... does it for free... does it for fun .
this is the worlds smallest violin playing JUST for TornSoul
Originally by: Tenzo
Put yourself in his shoes...It cant be easy.
If I had been in his shoes, I would have kept my word to the BIG lottery participants
Originally by: Tenzo
NoNamium - Dude WTF are you smoking. Stop trolling these topics.
I will say and defend what I say any way I see fit
Originally by: Tenzo
NOONE is scamming you out of 2 Billion ISK.
Not me specifically, but the protesters of the changes more likely.
Originally by: Tenzo
The pot is being shared into the draws that follow on. Making more people rich. This has never been about making money.... it has been about sharing it.
Then "share" all of it in the next lottery like TornSoul wrote he would.
Originally by: Tenzo
I understand the principle of people saying it was a bad decision and I will admit that the decision should have been made before the event but nooone foresaw the massive interest and huge amounts of money that would be involved. It is therefore a sensible idea to share the pot to more people.
I'll tell you what happened... TornSoul had christmas lights in his eyes when he realized how much money and attention the BIG lottery got because of the apoc. He let that blind him and made a "Wouldn't it be great if:"-decision because of it. Now he's trying/tried desperately to defend his decision, when actually what he should be doing is consider the protesters (such as my myself).
Originally by: Tenzo
However i will not let people like yourself sit there and make some bull**** that BIG are scamming. We aren't and CCP can check this.
You'll read this and you will take it wether you like it or not. I very much like your idea of contacting CCP... is this being done? I know that they are poker players many of them. Lets just see what they think about this.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:00:00 -
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Quote: 3*1 billion = 0.000072 % chance at winning 1 bil, plus 1*500 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 500 millions, plus 1*300 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 300 millions. that could be divided up in alot of different ways, but thats the principel of it.
Instead, youv split it like this. 0.000026 chance at 1 billion 0.000026 chance at 500 mil 0.000026 chance at 250 mil.
Quote: I think you are simply playing stupid. The players who have bought tickets for this lottery have been cheated/scammed/fooled out of a proportionally big chance at winning.
You are an idiot.
Total prizes drawn for this lottery sale exceed value of tickets bought. In order to come to your conclusion we have to assume the Imperial Apoc has zero value.
If that ship's value is zero and it's obvioiusly more valuable than most or all other ships in the game, then all other ships must have a negative value.
Under the model you propose I would like people to please start paying me to accept their ships. I will be accepting all battleships in Yulai today and all you will have to pay me to take them is 10isk. I'm offering only 10 isk less than the value of an Imperial Apoc! What a deal.
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Dubi
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:08:00 -
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Quote:
You whine because you will get ONLY 1Bisk if you win instead of 4? Come on... If it is not about greed what is it about?
It's about the odds it's like entering a poker game an in the middle some takes away a card from you and all the rest of the players around the table just because he feels it's right. I changes the odds and I like to know the odds before I enter and I thought I did but hey people can change them when ever they feel like it. yeah sure but I'm not letting them get away with it. if people wana play with the new odds thats up to them I don't.
Quote: NoNamium - Dude WTF are you smoking. Stop trolling these topics. NOONE is scamming you out of 2 Billion ISK. The pot is being shared into the draws that follow on. Making more people rich. This has never been about making money.... it has been about sharing it.
I wouldn't claim BIG where Scamming. But for them to decide who I share my money with is not something I will sit back and watch. I have no problem giving away money. But I don't like other people making the desition for me. It's not about greed it's about controll and the right to decide for your self.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
Quote: 3*1 billion = 0.000072 % chance at winning 1 bil, plus 1*500 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 500 millions, plus 1*300 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 300 millions. that could be divided up in alot of different ways, but thats the principel of it.
Instead, youv split it like this. 0.000026 chance at 1 billion 0.000026 chance at 500 mil 0.000026 chance at 250 mil.
Quote: I think you are simply playing stupid. The players who have bought tickets for this lottery have been cheated/scammed/fooled out of a proportionally big chance at winning.
You are an idiot.
Total prizes drawn for this lottery sale exceed value of tickets bought. In order to come to your conclusion we have to assume the Imperial Apoc has zero value.
If that ship's value is zero and it's obvioiusly more valuable than most or all other ships in the game, then all other ships must have a negative value.
Under the model you propose I would like people to please start paying me to accept their ships. I will be accepting all battleships in Yulai today and all you will have to pay me to take them is 10isk. I'm offering only 10 isk less than the value of an Imperial Apoc! What a deal.
Detaitiv, the Imperial Apocalypse what given out by CCP to BIG for specifically the lottery, under the condition that they do not profit from it.
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Dyring
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
Quote: 3*1 billion = 0.000072 % chance at winning 1 bil, plus 1*500 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 500 millions, plus 1*300 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 300 millions. that could be divided up in alot of different ways, but thats the principel of it.
Instead, youv split it like this. 0.000026 chance at 1 billion 0.000026 chance at 500 mil 0.000026 chance at 250 mil.
Quote: I think you are simply playing stupid. The players who have bought tickets for this lottery have been cheated/scammed/fooled out of a proportionally big chance at winning.
You are an idiot.
Total prizes drawn for this lottery sale exceed value of tickets bought. In order to come to your conclusion we have to assume the Imperial Apoc has zero value.
If that ship's value is zero and it's obvioiusly more valuable than most or all other ships in the game, then all other ships must have a negative value.
Under the model you propose I would like people to please start paying me to accept their ships. I will be accepting all battleships in Yulai today and all you will have to pay me to take them is 10isk. I'm offering only 10 isk less than the value of an Imperial Apoc! What a deal.
ehm? Ok. so we state that the imperial appocalypse is worth a great deal more than 2 billions. ok. Ill accept that as your wiew.
It will still not change the facts. My example is still correkt. Big offered a chance at the imperial appocalypse AND the pot. They change the rules in a way that gives the participants a lesser chance of winning the cash. Its that simple. Calling me an idiot does not change this.
We do not know when Big will change the rules next time, since they have proven that they do not consider the rules theyv set up beforehand to be final, but hold the right to change those rules at any time. Thus, they can no longer be trusted.
//dyring
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Dubi
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:31:00 -
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Quote: You are an idiot.
Total prizes drawn for this lottery sale exceed value of tickets bought. In order to come to your conclusion we have to assume the Imperial Apoc has zero value.
Who are the idiot the are taking 2.1bil and giving out 1.750bil. meaning they are taking more then 50% and the value of the apoc would be crazy. And I for one don't freeking care about that apoc and if I have gotten it and BIG changed the deal YES I would give it back because for me it's nothing more then a big ships that I can't fly don't wana fly the value in the apoc is simply the isk I could get for it. Now BIG changes the deal and desides to move money to another drawing a drawing I cannot participate in and a drawing that will have diffrent odds then the one I'm currently in. And I don't wana pay for someone else to get a diffrent chance then me. that like playing a lottery and having to kinds of lottery tickets 1 with a fix change of less then you bought it for and the other one with a chance depending on how many lottery tickes get sold of that sort. I would take the tickes that changes price because I like thoose better but now BIG is forcing me too either take the ones with a fixed chance or take both and pay double.
It's not about money it's about BIG changing the odds. I know some people play lottery for fun I play by odds because I know I can't trust my luck.
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