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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: DeathBunny
Originally by: Dubi
Quote: Are some of you going to seriously sit there and say ' I wouldnt have entered knowing the jackpot was only going to be 1.75 Bill not 3.5 Bill'. Wake up and smell the freaking roses people.... sit back and re-evaluate your posts
Ok I have re-evaluated my post still think the odds is not in my favour with the new system. I wish you good luck with your new system but it's not for me and can I now have my money back. Since when I invested it you told me something diffrent. you have the right to change your mind but so have I.
And I don't think you will take any money from me or anything like that I just feel that BIG now might chance the deal when they so see fit and by doing that changing the odds for me compared to the guy that enters the next lottery because the next lottery will be payed for with part of my money no mather how many participate or if I can participate.
Sorry to say maybe BIG's system was a little flawed with this drawing but what you expect from this being the first drawin?
This is hardly the first draw from BIG
Originally by: DeathBunny
What I they did was probley the best way to do it giving more people to get a chance. Even though spliting it up in to a multi-lotto I might not be for its still cool.
If you want to donate money for further events thats your business. personally I'd like to have a choise before I donate.
Originally by: DeathBunny
Besides if you won the apoc would you still give it up and have them refund your money. Didn't think so.
what does this have to do with anything. BIG didn't pay for the apocalypse and didn't earn anything. They should be glad that CCP chose to give them some free publicity.
Originally by: DeathBunny
Big congrats to BIG for putting up with all the abuse and keeping cool about it.
If anyone is putting up with abuse then its the players protesting TornSouls decision.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Godless Well said Tenzo.
(Been hard not to get involved in all the other posts hasn't it...)
Godless.
Very proud member of BIG.
lets have some more yes-men from BIG or affiliations of BIG telling how just and noble they are.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley Me and my Corp have no affiliation with BIG Nonamium
congratulations!
Originally by: Mrmuttley
But well done to BIG and TornSoul for the way they have handled this lottery and for having the testicular fortitude to make a change that is for the best in the long run
did you pay the full 1M for an entry for the last round?... if so you're out 540k of that money, statistically speaking.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Psiron I give up.
doesn't seem like it
Originally by: Psiron
If you win.... blah blah blah the pot was not big enough... blah blah blah ..... I want it all.....
If you loose ..... blah blah blah It was rigged.... They changed the rules..... blah blah blah
well put
Originally by: Psiron
A nice arrangment would be if you win, donate the money to me & ill refund your 1 million isk you paid originally as that way you have not spent any money. What did you expect from gambling. The money you pay to BIG you should expect to loose as no gambling is 100% win win (infact not even 1%)
Any serious gambler know that there are odds for a game, and if "the house" are manipulating the odds then its called... tadaaa... CHEATING!
Originally by: Psiron
When I entered, the pot was 1 billion. I like the idea of spreading it over a few lottery draws as it gives MORE chance of getting rich quick.
Good for you, now refund the money BIG to those who does not think this is a great idea
Originally by: Psiron
Oh and the fact that you loose out because they limited the pot size affects EVERYONE, not just you & I'm happy with that.
Yes, it affect the BIG corporation and the group of players who payed 3.8B isk for a lottery they later were told only has a value of 1.75B isk.
Originally by: Psiron
Keep up the good work BIG.
For the first and the last time... this is not as much about the money as it is about that BIG cheated the players. The broke an agreement and kept 2B isk to do with as they wish. It just so happens that they want to use the money for promotion of their lottery and as a safety buffer for the prizes on the lottery. I couldn't care less about what they use the 2B for... they scammed about 4000 players out of 2B isk. The short and the long of it.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with most of the complaints written in the forum. The question is wether or not BIG cheated players out of a total prize pool of 3.8B isk. Not if this is hard for TornSoul or not. I'm sure that running a 4000 player event is though, but that's not the issue.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gala Atomica
Originally by: NoNamium
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with most of the complaints written in the forum. The question is wether or not BIG cheated players out of a total prize pool of 3.8B isk. Not if this is hard for TornSoul or not. I'm sure that running a 4000 player event is though, but that's not the issue.
Oooh! It has a lot to do with the complaints written in the forum. The question is there are corps like BIG working HARD to make events like this and there are greedy players like YOU who are trolling the forums because it didn't go exactly the way you expected.
Exactly the way I expected. I didn't expect the rules of the game to be changed midway and I didn't expect to lose haf my entry fee from the prize pool. I don't care about BIGs hard work, like so many others I'm in it to win the prizes.
Originally by: Gala Atomica
You can trust BIG, they have never cheated anyone so far and the devs said they would check carefully where goes the money so stop making noise, you are ridiculizing yourself and appear as a very greedy and little person in public.
actually you're the one ridiculing yourself by using namecalling. No, I can't trust BIG... they've just proven it.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tenzo
Originally by: Gala Atomica BIG is the only corp I know who gave away free lab slots in the factory forum. So, start giving away yours then you can discuss who is greedy and who is not.
Originally by: Tenzo Ask yourself this - Would you or could you do what Tornsoul does?
I doubt it.
I couldn't. It seems everyone here missed your question, Tenzo.
This was and wasn't a question - it was directed at all the forum trolls.
Who's to say who the trolls here are... those FOR or those AGAINST TornSouls Decision?
Originally by: Tenzo
All i am basically saying is cut the guy some slack. He works very very hard on this Lottery and people have slated him for it. I just want people to get it into perspective. Torn does this for nothing... does it for free... does it for fun .
this is the worlds smallest violin playing JUST for TornSoul
Originally by: Tenzo
Put yourself in his shoes...It cant be easy.
If I had been in his shoes, I would have kept my word to the BIG lottery participants
Originally by: Tenzo
NoNamium - Dude WTF are you smoking. Stop trolling these topics.
I will say and defend what I say any way I see fit
Originally by: Tenzo
NOONE is scamming you out of 2 Billion ISK.
Not me specifically, but the protesters of the changes more likely.
Originally by: Tenzo
The pot is being shared into the draws that follow on. Making more people rich. This has never been about making money.... it has been about sharing it.
Then "share" all of it in the next lottery like TornSoul wrote he would.
Originally by: Tenzo
I understand the principle of people saying it was a bad decision and I will admit that the decision should have been made before the event but nooone foresaw the massive interest and huge amounts of money that would be involved. It is therefore a sensible idea to share the pot to more people.
I'll tell you what happened... TornSoul had christmas lights in his eyes when he realized how much money and attention the BIG lottery got because of the apoc. He let that blind him and made a "Wouldn't it be great if:"-decision because of it. Now he's trying/tried desperately to defend his decision, when actually what he should be doing is consider the protesters (such as my myself).
Originally by: Tenzo
However i will not let people like yourself sit there and make some bull**** that BIG are scamming. We aren't and CCP can check this.
You'll read this and you will take it wether you like it or not. I very much like your idea of contacting CCP... is this being done? I know that they are poker players many of them. Lets just see what they think about this.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
Quote: 3*1 billion = 0.000072 % chance at winning 1 bil, plus 1*500 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 500 millions, plus 1*300 millions = 0.000026 % chance at 300 millions. that could be divided up in alot of different ways, but thats the principel of it.
Instead, youv split it like this. 0.000026 chance at 1 billion 0.000026 chance at 500 mil 0.000026 chance at 250 mil.
Quote: I think you are simply playing stupid. The players who have bought tickets for this lottery have been cheated/scammed/fooled out of a proportionally big chance at winning.
You are an idiot.
Total prizes drawn for this lottery sale exceed value of tickets bought. In order to come to your conclusion we have to assume the Imperial Apoc has zero value.
If that ship's value is zero and it's obvioiusly more valuable than most or all other ships in the game, then all other ships must have a negative value.
Under the model you propose I would like people to please start paying me to accept their ships. I will be accepting all battleships in Yulai today and all you will have to pay me to take them is 10isk. I'm offering only 10 isk less than the value of an Imperial Apoc! What a deal.
Detaitiv, the Imperial Apocalypse what given out by CCP to BIG for specifically the lottery, under the condition that they do not profit from it.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
Originally by: NoNamium
For the first and the last time... this is not as much about the money as it is about that BIG cheated the players. The broke an agreement and kept 2B isk to do with as they wish. It just so happens that they want to use the money for promotion of their lottery and as a safety buffer for the prizes on the lottery. I couldn't care less about what they use the 2B for... they scammed about 4000 players out of 2B isk. The short and the long of it.
Go fly a kite and while your at it get a clue
What a well formulated, well argumented and informative statement.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: McFly It was in responce to you comment of 'they scammed 4000 people out of 2bil isk'... thats why I said get a clue.. so they changed up how the pot gets divided up and won.. still shows its going back out and not in their wallets
Well, this is more like it.
I just so happen to believe that taking money for a purchase and only giving less than half of what was agreed upon is a scam.
If this had been just one person buying a 2 run Scorpion BPC and only got a 1 run for his money everybody would agree this was a scam. Even if the person selling the BPC said that the money he kept would be used for buying more Scorpion BPCs for the next players and that this player could be one of the next.
If BIG keeps 2B isk for further lotteries without giving full value of the tickets bought by the players, then that is the situation.
Changing the rules of agreement after the agreement has been upheld by one party is breach of contract and I don't like it.
There are several solutions to this, many of which will still keep the lottery alive and well. Many of them have been mentioned already, and I look forward to TornSouls reaction if any reaction will be made.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: McFly Edited by: McFly on 28/05/2004 08:22:49 Did you not read that the other 1.75bil will go to the next round So you still havent shown me where they're keeping the isk.
*edit* btw I don't here you complaining about the Eula that changes from Eve.. and you have never seen rules change befor? Thats life man, deal with it.
I will gladly discuss the Eula changes in another thread if that is what you wish. However, that is not the topic of discussion here.
If the 1.75B is going for the next round then why do my tickets not count for that event as well. I'm paying for it and so are a lot of other people.
The total is appr. 3.8B isk 3.8 - 1.75B isk = 2.05B isk. Not 1.75B. and even if the remainder goes to a third round then I'm still not taking part of that lottery unless I pay for additional tickets.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: McFly Time to get you a whaaburger and some frechcries
Who cares if the pot gets split in 2 other pots, the lottery you bought tickets for was for the Imperal Apoc was it not?
either way, I'm over this subject... to many people need to stop *****in
Nice to see you actually figured out what I meant. Don't assume on my behalf what I payed for or did not pay for. And I'll "***** and moan" about this as much as I want, and it sure doesn't sound to me as if you're "over this subject".
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: McFly Edited by: McFly on 28/05/2004 09:13:06
Originally by: NoNamium
Originally by: McFly Time to get you a whaaburger and some frechcries
Who cares if the pot gets split in 2 other pots, the lottery you bought tickets for was for the Imperal Apoc was it not?
either way, I'm over this subject... to many people need to stop *****in
Nice to see you actually figured out what I meant. Don't assume on my behalf what I payed for or did not pay for. And I'll "***** and moan" about this as much as I want, and it sure doesn't sound to me as if you're "over this subject".
I am over the subject, I'm really just sick of seeing lamers like yourself and others bash BIG for something they have been doing for a long time (and imo a good job at that). Only now people start b!tchin about it cause the rules changed.
If people don't like the rules, or if they don't like how the rules change, don't fekkin play! period.
And I wont play in the lottery anymore. But you apparently just forgot all the previous post I sent to you, because you should know by now why it is that I'm protesting the changes. Because they are cheating me and many others like me out of something we already payed for. The agreement was broken. I feel that this more more than enough to be writing all this, if you don't then I'd gladly sell you 2 Thoraxs for lets say 13M isk, under the same terms as BIG would sell lottery tickets.
Just a hint: please refrain from using foul language as it may make you appear younger than you actually are.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: McFly Edited by: McFly on 28/05/2004 09:37:54
Originally by: NoNamium Because they are cheating me and many others like me out of something we already payed for.
Well sorry you fell cheated, I sure don't...
Good for you. But many others, like me have voiced their opinion and DO feel cheated.
Originally by: McFly
I played just for the fun of it like most others do. All the people complaining about how the Isk gets split up and how they were cheated etc, etc, etc... just makes you all sound really greedy. Should be glad someone takes all their time and effort to even offer such a thing.
Well, if its greedy to want to get what you payed for, then yes I'm greedy. And yes, it's nice that people take their time to do events, but not if those events are used to cheat you.
Originally by: McFly
Originally by: NoNamium
Just a hint: please refrain from using foul language as it may make you appear younger than you actually are.
*Just a hint* I don't really care how I appear.
ok, fine.
Originally by: McFly
Imo I don't think foul language makes you appear younger, but complaining and *****ing does
I'll let this remark stand by itself.
PS: funny you didn't quote me on the Thorax offer though.
PPS: I'll respond to posts that do not complain about people complaining and actually has more arguments of interests. Otherwise don't expect me to comment on your (unavoidably I'm afraid) next post.
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