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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.07.23 08:59:00 - [1] First, this is not a troll post or any sort of embellishment of any type for my side. I am just curious. I've been in and out recently and am wondering which side are starting to rise to the top. Here's the problem (and this is sort of what concerns me) is that the true way "to win" I guess is to capture the systems, right? So I guess if that is the only evidence we can see ingame, that would be good enough for me. But statistically speaking, who is kicking who's ass? /me runs from flames and forum warfare specialists www.siigarikitawa.com
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.07.23 08:59:00 - [2] First, this is not a troll post or any sort of embellishment of any type for my side. I am just curious. I've been in and out recently and am wondering which side are starting to rise to the top. Here's the problem (and this is sort of what concerns me) is that the true way "to win" I guess is to capture the systems, right? So I guess if that is the only evidence we can see ingame, that would be good enough for me. But statistically speaking, who is kicking who's ass? /me runs from flames and forum warfare specialists www.siigarikitawa.com
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:15:00 - [3] On the plexing & capturing end of this discussion, Caldari are without a doubt in the lead. But if you only count kills, Gallente is way ahead. Some squids will say that their losses are much cheaper because we all fly T2 and they don't, but that's not the truth and not an issue. Pure kills, we win. Plexing, they win...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:20:00 - [4] Originally by: CrayC To put it another way, Gallente good at PvP, Caldari good at modified missions. Who would have guessed. As for who is winning, since so far there is nothing to gain from FW, we have to choose a metric ourselves, and everyone will simply pick the one which favours them, so we can't really say. But if I had to say, I'd say Gallente, not so much for performance in the war, more simply for being Gallente. - DesuSigs
El'Tar Caldari Monkey Madness.	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:30:00 - [5] galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nano*s all of em, no skil ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:31:00 - [6] Originally by: El'Tar galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nano*s all of em, no skil I haven't seen any nano ships, in our fleets or the squids'. - DesuSigs
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:37:00 - [7] Originally by: El'Tar galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nano*s all of em, no skil The closest thing to a nano I've seen in our fleets, was plex-speedtankers. But since they are Interceptors, it's not really nano...
Jackie Fisher	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:40:00 - [8] Originally by: CrayC On the plexing & capturing end of this discussion, Caldari are without a doubt in the lead. But if you only count kills, Gallente is way ahead. Some squids will say that their losses are much cheaper because we all fly T2 and they don't, but that's not the truth and not an issue. Pure kills, we win. Plexing, they win... So a bit similar to Russia vs Germany in WW2 then. Plexing FTW!
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Jackie Fisher So a bit similar to Russia vs Germany in WW2 then. What?
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:50:00 - [10] Originally by: CrayC Originally by: Jackie Fisher So a bit similar to Russia vs Germany in WW2 then. What? my brain is confused as you are as i have said once and many time before... this is not my sig

Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:09:00 - [11] Edited by: Hesod Adee on 23/07/2008 10:09:20 Yes, the Caldari are winning at plexing, and I don't see that changing any time soon because most Gallente don't seem to care about plexing. I'm not aware of any Caldari raids into Gallente high sec. But I am aware of multiple Gallente raids into Jita. For some reason the Caldari anchored a research POS in Villasen using a militia corp. I don't understand why they didn't create a non-militia industry corp to do that. I was part of the group that took it down. So what impressive combat acts have the Caldari pulled off ?
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Hesod Adee I'm not aware of any Caldari raids into Gallente high sec. ... So what impressive combat acts have the Caldari pulled off ? They do blob into Villore now and then, but that's all...
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:22:00 - [13] gallente like the idea of open PVP so there taking full advantage of it, the cladari and there plexing as they earn much more doing missiong for what they are doing now except have more risk i could never get though caldari's they are so werid
Pociomundo Gallente Endless Destruction	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:27:00 - [14] Originally by: El'Tar galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nano*s all of em, no skil Says Garmon seen in his Fleet Issue Stabber zooming round shooting Caldari for the Minmatar :P
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Hesod Adee For some reason the Caldari anchored a research POS in Villasen using a militia corp. I don't understand why they didn't create a non-militia industry corp to do that. I was part of the group that took it down. Yes, that was ****ed. And then asking people in militia to come out and defend "the militia pos", and getting **ed off when people cba with pos warfare. Like any of the profits from that pos will go into the militia, yea right... Good to hear it got blown to pieces.
MrChook Heretic Research Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Pociomundo Originally by: El'Tar galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nano*s all of em, no skil Says Garmon seen in his Fleet Issue Stabber zooming round shooting Caldari for the Minmatar :P What's your point?
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:37:00 - [17] Well, since there is no real effort from both sides to take systems (and rightly, as there are absolutely no rewards for doing so and it's most of the time utterly boring as only very few enemies actually come into your plex having a look), I'd say that noone is winning. CCP will have to give out actual rewards for conquering systems or doing plexes AND will have to make the plexing aspect a bit more interesting.. every damn FW plex looks exactly the same. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/07/2008 11:16:11 But we're all having fun, and that's what counts. Although, I think people are a bit too hung up on CCP handing them an objective. This is EVE, not WoW, come up with an objective yourselves. For instance, I know at least some people are quite interested in seeing certain popular Caldari lowsec systems flipped, rewards or no, because it is one of their main staging grounds. And I would hate to see certain Gallante systems flipped, because I used to live there. - DesuSigs
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:23:00 - [19] To make it short: caldari win in game, gallente dominate on forums. Gallentes kill lot's of caldari frigs and noobships, caldaris kill plenty of t2 or t2-fitted gallente ships, inflicting much more damge in isk. Gallentes fight at wrong places, while caldaris conquer their systems: so far it's 2:0 for caldaris, more gallente systems will fall to caldaris in near future.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:29:00 - [20] To make it short: Gallente win in game, Caldari dominate on their inaccurate killboard. Caldari kill lots of Gallente solos and noob gangs, Gallente kill Caldari fleets, inflicting much more damage in isk. Caldari cap plexes, while Gallente actually get kills: so far it's 2:0 for Gallente, more Caldari fleets will fall to the Gallente in near future. Corrected spelling and content. - DesuSigs

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:30:00 - [21] In the war against Gallente and Caldari, CCP wins, and both Caldari and Gallente lose. _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba To make it short: caldari win in game, gallente dominate on forums. Gallentes kill lot's of caldari frigs and noobships, caldaris kill plenty of t2 or t2-fitted gallente ships, inflicting much more damge in isk. Gallentes fight at wrong places, while caldaris conquer their systems: so far it's 2:0 for caldaris, more gallente systems will fall to caldaris in near future. THIS
fairimear Gallente S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:48:00 - [23] Caldari = Falcon *****s. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
stunna13 Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:08:00 - [24] mini wins over both thats why i cross train FTW... _________________ The BIGLottery
Sweet Rosella	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:09:00 - [25] i would like to see caldri pilots help ammar in there space atm, amar are dying faster than flyies and its getting boaring down here
Jones Bones Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:35:00 - [26] LOL to the Caldari who said they only lose t1 frigs.
Chinger Caldari Cold Fury Coalition Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:46:00 - [27] You are all wrong, for it is Chribba that is the real winner. The more ships destroyed, the higher the price of tritanium goes. Also, what type of sushi should I get?
Pytria Le'Danness Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.07.23 13:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Crumplecorn I haven't seen any nano ships, in our fleets or the squids'. I did: http://www.gallente.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21158 Not that it matters anywhere. Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn"
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba To make it short: caldari win in game, gallente dominate on forums. Gallentes kill lot's of caldari frigs and noobships, caldaris kill plenty of t2 or t2-fitted gallente ships, inflicting much more damge in isk. Gallentes fight at wrong places, while caldaris conquer their systems: so far it's 2:0 for caldaris, more gallente systems will fall to caldaris in near future. Gallente are winning in forums because we are not whining in forums. Caldari are losing in game as evidenced by their whining in forums. Therefor... Gallente are winning in forums and in game. Works for me! Search: Sky Grunthor
kessah State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:20:00 - [30] I couldnt care less who is winning or better. Being blobbed by one side is more... desirable than both, besides gallente pilots drop better loot. Caldari run nubbin ships mostly. Afaik, the Gallente are made up for the pvp the caldari are in high sec too worried to hit further than Tama.

El'Tar Caldari Monkey Madness.	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Pociomundo Originally by: El'Tar galente good at pvp?? *****!!!! nanos all of em, no skil Says Garmon seen in his Fleet Issue Stabber zooming round shooting Caldari for the Minmatar :P hi u beter shove a plugger in ur mouth cos theres only * comin out of it (ingame) that fleet stabber was armor tanked NOT NANO** if u make this refrenece again ill come round with a base ball bat and knock u out (ingame) ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:56:00 - [32] Originally by: kessah I couldnt care less who is winning or better. Being blobbed by one side is more... desirable than both, besides gallente pilots drop better loot. Caldari run nubbin ships mostly. Afaik, the Gallente are made up for the pvp the caldari are in high sec too worried to hit further than Tama. /me strokes it Gallente pilots drop better loot because we actually have a clue about how to play EVE... and we train our skills to 5. www.siigarikitawa.com
Pyro Ninja	Posted - 2008.07.23 15:13:00 - [33] Edited by: Pyro Ninja on 23/07/2008 15:14:00 when i was fighting in fw with gallente and were all about pvp... we find the plexing system boring..and the Caldari love to sit around for hours. The only time the move fast is when there running
Kesper North Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.07.23 15:47:00 - [34] I'm curious, how did Caldari get the nickname "squid"?
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 15:49:00 - [35] Caldari & Amarr = Calamari = Squid
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 15:58:00 - [36] Gallente fleets will tend to look for pirates to kill rather than plex, if there are no Caldari around. - DesuSigs
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:04:00 - [37] Originally by: CrayC Caldari & Amarr = Calamari = Squid Coincidentaly, the Caldari Titan is called a Leviathian, which is the legendary name of a big sea monster....a.k.a. a giant squid.
Galia Bonaventure	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:21:00 - [38] Sorry to go off-topic a sec, but if the Caldari are squids, the Gallente frogs, then what are the Minmatar and Amarr called?
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Galia Bonaventure Sorry to go off-topic a sec, but if the Caldari are squids, the Gallente frogs, then what are the Minmatar and Amarr called? Caldari AND Amarr are Squids, as posted above. Minmatar can be called many things. I call them allies, while the Amarr call them slaves and I assume Caldari call them primary
etgfrogs Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Galia Bonaventure Sorry to go off-topic a sec, but if the Caldari are squids, the Gallente frogs, then what are the Minmatar and Amarr called? but of coarse gallente frogs, we jump onto enemies and eat them before they know what happened FROG!

Victoria Ehr State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: CrayC Caldari & Amarr = Calamari = Squid Coincidentaly, the Caldari Titan is called a Leviathian, which is the legendary name of a big sea monster....a.k.a. a giant squid. Haha that is pretty funny actually, and i am use to being called a squid since i was in the Navy. Go Calamari Squids! -------------------------------------------- The path to power is up!
Machanara Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.23 18:36:00 - [42] Someone said it best. Caldari are winning from capturing systems. Gallante have the better combat stats. Caldari fly a LOT of t1 ships. Gallente fly a lot of T2...especially nano ships. WHEN CCP nerf nano's again, and they will...we all know that...Gallente will be in a world of hurt. So, we'll see how things go when the nano's are again, changed.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.23 18:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Steve Celeste Originally by: Hesod Adee For some reason the Caldari anchored a research POS in Villasen using a militia corp. I don't understand why they didn't create a non-militia industry corp to do that. I was part of the group that took it down. Yes, that was ****ed. And then asking people in militia to come out and defend "the militia pos", and getting **ed off when people cba with pos warfare. Like any of the profits from that pos will go into the militia, yea right... Good to hear it got blown to pieces. This post right here is why the caldari will never win. They will not lift a finger to help anyone. I lost many ships to small groups of gallente while there were 30-60 man fleets just sitting on the other side of a gate.
Deja Thoris Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:37:00 - [44] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Steve Celeste Originally by: Hesod Adee For some reason the Caldari anchored a research POS in Villasen using a militia corp. I don't understand why they didn't create a non-militia industry corp to do that. I was part of the group that took it down. Yes, that was ****ed. And then asking people in militia to come out and defend "the militia pos", and getting **ed off when people cba with pos warfare. Like any of the profits from that pos will go into the militia, yea right... Good to hear it got blown to pieces. This post right here is why the caldari will never win. They will not lift a finger to help anyone. I lost many ships to small groups of gallente while there were 30-60 man fleets just sitting on the other side of a gate. ^^ This An to Yoki Hallibutt (or w/e) our little corp killed 8 or so CNR's and 2 golems in the space of a few days. Your drivel about caldari only losing kestrels and taking pwning t2 stuff is blatently untrue.
Qduhaf	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Sweet Rosella i would like to see caldri pilots help ammar in there space atm, amar are dying faster than flyies and its getting boaring down here TBH think the caldari are adopting the amarr strategy - stay in empire and play docking games with uncatchable frig gangs doing plexing. Unless CCP puts some real incentives FW is going to be dead in 2 weeks.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:22:00 - [46] Anyone else find it funny that the Caldari mission carebears try and avoid pvp and run plexes which are essentially PvE.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba To make it short: caldari win in game, gallente dominate on forums. Gallentes kill lot's of caldari frigs and noobships, caldaris kill plenty of t2 or t2-fitted gallente ships, inflicting much more damge in isk. Gallentes fight at wrong places, while caldaris conquer their systems: so far it's 2:0 for caldaris, more gallente systems will fall to caldaris in near future. According to gallente.net (not saying it's accurate): Damage inflicted: 32417.28M Damage taken: 15686.5M At the time of this post, kills board has: 16 T1 sub-BC kills, 3 BC kills, 10 T2 kills. Losses has: 18 T1 sub-BC losses, 4 BC losses, 7 T2 losses. You fail.
Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: Yakia TovilToba To make it short: caldari win in game, gallente dominate on forums. Gallentes kill lot's of caldari frigs and noobships, caldaris kill plenty of t2 or t2-fitted gallente ships, inflicting much more damge in isk. Gallentes fight at wrong places, while caldaris conquer their systems: so far it's 2:0 for caldaris, more gallente systems will fall to caldaris in near future. According to gallente.net (not saying it's accurate): Damage inflicted: 32417.28M Damage taken: 15686.5M At the time of this post, kills board has: 16 T1 sub-BC kills, 3 BC kills, 10 T2 kills. Losses has: 18 T1 sub-BC losses, 4 BC losses, 7 T2 losses. You fail. Some of our players don't post their losses, but we PALE in comparison to the Caldari. Case in point, this here Battle in Heydieles: Gallente KB http://gallente.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=22365 Caldari KB http://xbps.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14824 The Gall Kill Board has 21 loses, but the Caldari one has 37 kills, so about 16 of our guys didn't post loss mails. Regrettable.... Except for the fact that 52 Caldari Pilots somehow "forgot" to post their losses on their own boards...... But of course, since all we are killing are Pods and Ibis' then who cares right? (LOL)
Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:46:00 - [49] Reading over this thread, I'm filled with confusion and sadness. No matter what stats you look at (except, ironically, the Caldari's own Killboard), in-game or the stats page linked in the sticky, one thing is blatantly clear... The Caldari are seriously under-performing (to put it nicely :)) They don't lead FW in ANY SINGLE Stat catagory except number of enrolled players. The 3 smaller factions ALL beat them in at least 1 (usually more) stat category. It's embarrising. Minnie and "Frogs" beat them in total kills, They are tied with Amarr (THE smallest faction) in Total VP and only have a very slight all time VP lead over Gallente despite 2-3 thousand more enrolled members, they've captured fewer system than the much smaller Minmatar and are DEAD LAST in Victory points per member. I could go on and on and on and All this against smaller factions. If I were a member of such an....under-performing group... I'd be doing many things right now, but the LAST thing I'd be doing would be posting on a forum about how really well we're doing or claiming that the enemy are "only killing pods and Ibis's" lol
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:48:00 - [50] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov According to gallente.net (not saying it's accurate): Damage inflicted: 32417.28M Damage taken: 15686.5M At the time of this post, kills board has: 16 T1 sub-BC kills, 3 BC kills, 10 T2 kills. Losses has: 18 T1 sub-BC losses, 4 BC losses, 7 T2 losses. You fail. You and your numbers are pure fail. Have a look at the much more accurate Caldari killboard: Damage done (ISK): 96850.22M Damage received (ISK): 32594.64M

Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Kuzya Morozov According to gallente.net (not saying it's accurate): Damage inflicted: 32417.28M Damage taken: 15686.5M At the time of this post, kills board has: 16 T1 sub-BC kills, 3 BC kills, 10 T2 kills. Losses has: 18 T1 sub-BC losses, 4 BC losses, 7 T2 losses. You fail. You and your numbers are pure fail. Have a look at the much more accurate Caldari killboard: Damage done (ISK): 96850.22M Damage received (ISK): 32594.64M And in a matter of minutes, my point is proven......
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:59:00 - [52] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/07/2008 21:59:11 Originally by: Cassius Rex I'm sorry, but "we die in droves, but we cost you more money" (what I hear you saying) only works if EVE had finite resources for everyone to draw from...... QFT. You can keep costing us more money forever, but whether the war ends tomorrow or ten years from now, we will have more kills at the end. - DesuSigs
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:59:00 - [53] The answer is clear. Only those who understand economy will prosper. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:10:00 - [54] Originally by: CrayC On the plexing & capturing end of this discussion, Caldari are without a doubt in the lead. But if you only count kills, Gallente is way ahead. Some squids will say that their losses are much cheaper because we all fly T2 and they don't, but that's not the truth and not an issue. Pure kills, we win. Plexing, they win... Thats why every EVE kill board tots up losses and kills in ISK value. So to sum up Caldari capture more, Gallente have lost more isk but the Caldari have a lost millions of Ibis. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Cassius Rex propaganda Noone cares that Gallente killed more noobships or frigates. Even if that were cruisers or battelships, we Caldari have an almost unlimited ammount of ships. After insurance payout a raven costs only a few millions + modules. Many of us are rich multibillionaires (we are the rich Caldari Carebears, remember ?), we could afford to lose hundreds of thousands battelships, millions of cruisers or frigates and not care. The only number that counts and that is a relevant indication on war progression is how many systems (how much space) we conquered. Gallente were not able to stop Caldari to conquer two of their system, while Gallente were not able to conquer a singel one. Caldari are now occupying Gallente space, how could they be losing the war ? That are the facts, the rest is Gallente propaganda, a desperate attepmt to show a wrong picture and hide the obvious fact, that Caldari are winning the war.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:25:00 - [56] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/07/2008 22:25:09 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Gallente were not able to stop Caldari to conquer two of their system, while Gallente were not able to conquer a singel one. And what has conquering these systems gotten you? Fewer losses to fleets smaller than your own? A willingness to leave highsec even when the Gallente are around? No? Perhaps those systems are actually worthless then. Perhaps while you were tanking rats and flying in circles, we were off killing your comrades. Perhaps you will have to keep hiding behind the claim of more lowsec systems under your control, despite being afraid to even enter lowsec most of the time. - DesuSigs
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:34:00 - [57] Who's winning? Who cares. I left 0.0 cause of all that crap. My corp killboard is API'ed so I know it has all the loses and all the kills. AND I'M LOVING IT! put you epeens away. o/ if you having FUN! o/ o/ o/
Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:37:00 - [58] Edited by: Cassius Rex on 23/07/2008 22:38:37 Yea, too bad sovereignty doesn't amount to a damn thing LOL. I'm so glad that now facts = Propaganda lol. If Caldari players actually think like this, no wonder every other faction is beating them in some (usually multiple) ways. Once again Caldari doesn't lead in ANY SINGLE stat category in FW except number of pilots lol. They are even getting out PVE'd by their much smaller allies, and if you're Caldari and someone out PVEs you, you should just uninstall EVE right now LOL. I think this is why we haven't seen very much improvement in Caldari FW play. They don't even know they aren't doing as well as they could LOL. Denial FTW.
Zuggy Fighter	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:40:00 - [59] /flies into lowsec warspace with a shuttle "Can't we all just get along"
Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Valan Originally by: CrayC On the plexing & capturing end of this discussion, Caldari are without a doubt in the lead. But if you only count kills, Gallente is way ahead. Some squids will say that their losses are much cheaper because we all fly T2 and they don't, but that's not the truth and not an issue. Pure kills, we win. Plexing, they win... Thats why every EVE kill board tots up losses and kills in ISK value. So to sum up Caldari capture more, Gallente have lost more isk but the Caldari have a lost millions of Ibis. There is no proof that the Gallente have lost more isk. None at all. Why don't you Caldari sync your Killboard with ours (so the mountains of loses you guys haven't posted will show :) ) and THEN lets see who has lost more....

Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:43:00 - [61] Originally by: Zuggy Fighter /flies into lowsec warspace with a shuttle "Can't we all just get along" Hell no..... :)
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/07/2008 22:25:09 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Gallente were not able to stop Caldari to conquer two of their system, while Gallente were not able to conquer a singel one. And what has conquering these systems gotten you? Fewer losses to fleets smaller than your own? A willingness to leave highsec even when the Gallente are around? No? Perhaps those systems are actually worthless then. Perhaps while you were tanking rats and flying in circles, we were off killing your comrades. Perhaps you will have to keep hiding behind the claim of more lowsec systems under your control, despite being afraid to even enter lowsec most of the time. I don't know what you are talking about, our fleets are moving through black rise several times a day and scare away the few Gallentes they meet. My current battelship was out there for quite a lot times, and wasn't destroyed yet, i start to worry that insurance will run out on this soon, despite of going out to black rise almost every day. What has conquering systems gotten us ? If you ask this question you didn't understand the concept of Faction Warfare. It is obviously designed around conquering space. To conquer enemy systems is currently the only way to progress in the war. We are successful in this, we occupied your teritory. If you are not losing, why can't you just stop us from doing this, kick us out of black rise and take our space ? Looks like you don't do as well in game as your forum warriour department is trying to tell us.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba What has conquering systems gotten us ? If you ask this question you didn't understand the concept of Faction Warfare. It is obviously designed around conquering space. To conquer enemy systems is currently the only way to progress in the war. We are successful in this, we occupied your teritory. If you are not losing, why can't you just stop us from doing this, kick us out of black rise and take our space ? You see, this is exactly why the Caldari keep losing. You're all a bunch of mission running WoW players - CCP says that the objective is to capture systems, and you just go along with that, unable to understand that there is no actual reward. We Gallente are proper EVE players. We don't see the objectives the devs set for us; we see the objectives we set for ourselves. - DesuSigs
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:49:00 - [64] Edited by: Arcon Telf on 23/07/2008 22:49:18 Originally by: Crumplecorn [You see, this is exactly why the Caldari keep losing. You're all a bunch of mission running WoW players - CCP says that the objective is to capture systems, and you just go along with that, unable to understand that there is no actual reward. We Gallente are proper EVE players. We don't see the objectives the devs set for us; we see the objectives we set for ourselves. This. YAR!!!
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Crumplecorn You see, this is exactly why the Caldari keep losing. You're all a bunch of mission running WoW players - CCP says that the objective is to capture systems, and you just go along with that, unable to understand that there is no actual reward. We Gallente are proper EVE players. We don't see the objectives the devs set for us; we see the objectives we set for ourselves. CCP makes the rules of the game, and we are winning it. If your objectives are to kill frigs and ibises, then maybe you win here, but this has nothing to do with the war, we are winning it and you can't stop us. Also this has nothing to do with missions, you could kill the ships that conquer the systems, that is exactly why you are at war with us. But apparantly you failed. And as i already said, we have unlimited frigs and ibises, noone cares if you kill them, that simply does not make any diffrence, and therefore can't be seen as a war achievement at all, in case you can't stop them from taking your space. Currently it's 2:0 in our favour, rest doesn't really matter in this war.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:15:00 - [66] You argument of "We have infinite noobships!" is a very poor one, If you remember Caldari are not the only ones with infinite noobships as well. Also the Velator is by far the best noobship as it can field 2 T2 drones. Fielding awful ships and losing every battle does not make you winners. Just because your ships dont even count as an isk loss therefor even a incursus is practically an infinite times more isk loss than an ibis. You are almost doing the old "we didnt want that (insert eve related item) anyway!"
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:29:00 - [67] to answer the OP, the cal milita are taking care of buissness
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba CCP makes the rules of the game By continuing to post you are merely proving my point. You are so used to being ordered around by mission agents (just so you know, they are computer programs, not real people) that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves. Even if you succeed in capturing the entirety of lowsec, all that means is that every time you lose an entire fleet to a Gallente gang, you will have lost it in what you consider your own space. Since annihilating Caldari fleets is such a trivial task for the Gallente, we could easily stop you plexing if we wanted to; but we are PvPers, not mission *****s, and have no interest in such lowly unrewarded tasks. The Caldari can of course continue to flip systems virtually unopposed because of this, but when the time comes to actually fight, all the sovereignty in the cluster will not save you from our antimatter and drones. - DesuSigs
Shinux First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:11:00 - [69] Really, pumpkin? I could see your pvp bravado explain why you don't try to go for our plexes, but last time i checked it requires militia pilots to capture yours, and killing those pilots is PvP. Back under the bridge for you.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:25:00 - [70] Originally by: Cassius Rex Some of our players don't post their losses, but we PALE in comparison to the Caldari. Case in point, this here Battle in Heydieles: Gallente KB http://gallente.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=22365 Caldari KB http://xbps.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14824 The Gall Kill Board has 21 loses, but the Caldari one has 37 kills, so about 16 of our guys didn't post loss mails. Regrettable.... Except for the fact that 52 Caldari Pilots somehow "forgot" to post their losses on their own boards...... But of course, since all we are killing are Pods and Ibis' then who cares right? (LOL) Hate to steal your thunder, but the Caldari killboard is bugged. My kills rarely show up unless you search for me specifically. I got 3 final blows that night in Heyd but only 1 is listed in that battle report. My corpmate lost a ship in that 2nd fight but that isn't listed either unless you search specifically for him. I'm sure I'm not the only one with that problem. I'm not sure what the problem is, but those battle reports wouldn't be accurate even if every mail was posted. I don't even know who runs it tbh. As for actual numbers, I don't know how accurate the stats are in the militia station tab, but they show Caldari and Gallente as being nearly equal in kills, with the Gallente slightly ahead. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot

Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Rooker As for actual numbers, I don't know how accurate the stats are in the militia station tab, but they show Caldari and Gallente as being nearly equal in kills, with the Gallente slightly ahead. Yes, almost equal in kills yesterday, 170 for Gallente to 161 for Caldari. And it only takes a 1900+ more Caldari to do that lol. Thus my statement about the Caldari milita Under-Performing. All time stats, the Gallente have more than 3000 kills more than the squids. Us "Frogs" also had 3500 more victory points yesterday too.... and in total only have slightly fewer VPs than the Caldari, despite the Caldari's pretty fair member advantage. The whole point is that instead of trying to spin things on a forum, you guys would be much better served by getting your militia organized and becoming more effective across the board.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.24 02:12:00 - [72] The Gallente Militia is winning in kills, and no, whoever thinks 100 kills on side a = 100 kills on side b is insane, unless both sides had identical losses. If 30 newbies in frigs and cruisers die and 2-3 battleships and BCs on the other side die, it's unlikely anyone felt wallet pains, and total damage dealt in ISK will like favor the frigs/cruisers side. Regardless, in FW one of the main aspects is to take control of the enemy's systems. Currently the Caldari have taken 2 systems, the Gallente have taken 0. The Gallente are losing faction warfare. For the 0.0 trollers out there: Caldari are RSF, Gallente are GBC. Numbers and territorial gains vs experience and more kills. On the other hand, the Minmatar are unquestionably beating the sweet bejesus out of the Amarr, clearly the Minmatar and Caldari should team up and rule the cluster.
Arretu East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.24 02:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Yakia TovilToba CCP makes the rules of the game By continuing to post you are merely proving my point. You are so used to being ordered around by mission agents (just so you know, they are computer programs, not real people) that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves. so if you play a game of football you will ignore the rules and ref because you think you're own way? seems to me that EVE is a game, and you win games by following the rules. therefore by following the rules, caldari are winning the game, regardless of losses of ships along the way. You wouldnt claim to win a game of football by virtue of having had the ball or most of the time, so dont claim to win FW by not completeing the objectives of the game. GAME....remember that, 'k?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.24 03:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Arretu Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Yakia TovilToba CCP makes the rules of the game By continuing to post you are merely proving my point. You are so used to being ordered around by mission agents (just so you know, they are computer programs, not real people) that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves. so if you play a game of football you will ignore the rules and ref because you think you're own way? seems to me that EVE is a game, and you win games by following the rules. therefore by following the rules, caldari are winning the game, regardless of losses of ships along the way. You wouldnt claim to win a game of football by virtue of having had the ball or most of the time, so dont claim to win FW by not completeing the objectives of the game. GAME....remember that, 'k? EVE doesn't have rules or referees. It has available mechanics and declared exploits. You are as bad at comparisons as your fleets are at killing things, and you like the previous poster are giving us a fine insight into the Caldari mindset. The taking of systems is not the 'objective' of FW, as with all things in EVE there is no set objective other than the players' and their organisations' objectives, plexing is merely yet another mechanic to forward those objectives. Our objective is to kill Caldari. We are succeeding greatly in this. Caldari are dying left right and center, when they aren't running away. Your objective? To change a name on a system? Right, have fun with that meaningless endeavour. The purpose of FW is to get more people into PvP. The Gallente have embraced this, however the Caldari are hiding behind the aspect most like the PvE they are used to. Plexes are there to give us something to fight over, since we lack the personal goal of a corp or alliance war. The Gallente do not need such things however. We will find you and kill you, with no need for some contrived greater goal. Consider this: If you managed to take control of the entirety of lowsec without ever getting in a fight, by your reckoning you would have 'won' FW. In reality, by avoiding PvP completely you would have completely defeated the purpose of FW. Thus, there is a disparity between what FW is really all about and what you believe it is all about. On the other hand, consider this: The Gallente do not bother plexing much, which means we have captured few/no systems. However, we have many more people actively seeking PvP encounters. Thus, we exemplify the core purpose of FW. This is a war. You may have succeeded in planting a little flag at the top of the hill, but the slopes are strewn with the bodies of your fallen comrades, while your enemies roam free to kill yet more. Perhaps, to be generous, one could say you are winning in principle, but in practice your failure is undeniable. - DesuSigs
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.24 07:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Thorradin On the other hand, the Minmatar are unquestionably beating the sweet bejesus out of the Amarr, clearly the Minmatar and Caldari should team up and rule the cluster. No chance, once the Amarrians are out of the way, you're going to lose all your systems next. How are you gonna like fighting a force with greater number then you as well as more experience? I predict it will no go well for you. You think the Feds are annoying using fast minmatar ships? Well have an entire fleet of them.
A Spy	Posted - 2008.07.24 10:34:00 - [76] Originally by: Crumplecorn Our objective is to kill Caldari. We are succeeding greatly in this. Caldari are dying left right and center, when they aren't running away. This is not happening, you are out of touch. Stop posting lies.
Vitriol17 Achmed Fleet	Posted - 2008.07.24 11:29:00 - [77] The fact that there are 7000 pilots in the Caldari militia is misleading, at any one time it seems that about 50% are running missions, 30% of the rest are utter garbage, which just leaves the all the combat to about 20% of us. Whenever I go out to squish some frogs, it's always with the same pilots from a pool of about 100 or so. Maybe in time the rest will improve, I can at least hope so. The Caldari KB is really bugged, you are not going to get hugely accurate info from it, its hard enough to get the militia to post their kills, let alone their losses. But still we do have our victories, (I may even have a Crumplecorn podmail somewhere), maybe not as many as the Frogs, but we do have them, and we are slowly but surely closing the gap in daily kills (at least we are not losing 2-300+ more ships to the Froggers like we were)
exxxie dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.24 11:56:00 - [78] I haven't really got anything constructive to contribute to the thread.. but I would just like to say that CRUMPLECORN ROCKS and he's Gallente. So there.
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Cassius Rex Why don't you Caldari sync your Killboard with ours (so the mountains of loses you guys haven't posted will show :) ) and THEN lets see who has lost more.... Im all for this.For ALL factions having linked boards.I checked your boards and you're missing a boatload of kills on us let alone your losses.
Lamiamoto Serrotta	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:19:00 - [80] I've been 1 month in Minmatar Militia, and it's 3 weeks i'm in Caldari one. I can say that i actually wonder why so many Caldari join the Militia. probably because they think the State Protectorate LP Store will have some nice stuff for their lvl4 mission ships. The Militia channel is mainly a cofee chat. U often see dozens of ship orbiting a gate without joining fleet or engaging wt's. Good Fleet Commander are quite impossible to find. I know Amarr wt's are hard as butter, but the Minmatars are always looking for combat, while caldari still keep a carebear perk...

Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:26:00 - [81] holy shit. for a moment I thought this was CAOD with all this propaganda flingin' arround --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.24 12:33:00 - [82] Edited by: Cassius Rex on 24/07/2008 12:34:27 Originally by: Vitriol17 The fact that there are 7000 pilots in the Caldari militia is misleading, at any one time it seems that about 50% are running missions, 30% of the rest are utter garbage, which just leaves the all the combat to about 20% of us. I.KNEW.IT lol Quote: Whenever I go out to squish some frogs, it's always with the same pilots from a pool of about 100 or so. Maybe in time the rest will improve, I can at least hope so. The Caldari KB is really bugged, you are not going to get hugely accurate info from it, its hard enough to get the militia to post their kills, let alone their losses. But still we do have our victories, (I may even have a Crumplecorn podmail somewhere), maybe not as many as the Frogs, but we do have them, and we are slowly but surely closing the gap in daily kills (at least we are not losing 2-300+ more ships to the Froggers like we were) Closing the gap with us would still be under-preforming with such a big militia that outnumbers it's rival by almost 2k members. If I were y'all I'd be working really hard on those mission runners to get them to either contribute to the Caldari militia , or GTFO.. Originally by: Lamiamoto Serrotta I've been 1 month in Minmatar Militia, and it's 3 weeks i'm in Caldari one. I can say that i actually wonder why so many Caldari join the Militia. probably because they think the State Protectorate LP Store will have some nice stuff for their lvl4 mission ships. The Militia channel is mainly a cofee chat. U often see dozens of ship orbiting a gate without joining fleet or engaging wt's. Good Fleet Commander are quite impossible to find. I know Amarr wt's are hard as butter, but the Minmatars are always looking for combat, while caldari still keep a carebear perk... That's beyond sad. I'm an outsider, in the Gallente Militia, and I can see the Caldari militia's problems from Waayyy over here, yet some Caldari players don't seem to be able to..... The way it affects me is that it makes FW pretty boring. I got on 2 killmails yesterday, and only 8 the day before, and I've only lost 2 ships this whole week. With all those pilots, I should be afraid to set foot in low sec without a blob, I should be trying to figure out how to get ISK to replace the lost ships the Caldari Hordes have destroyed, but I'm not. I freaking live in Tama damn near, I should be paying Caldari State Taxes (i just realized that by having a jump clone in Tama station, I have become an Illegal Immigrant :) ) A better Caldari militia means more fighting, more challenge and more fun, which is why it honestly ****es me off when I see Caldari players acting like they are actually winning something because of possesing two utterly worthless Star Systems that we care nothing about at all. Caldari militia players should be redoubling their efforts, not lying to themselves about their "victory" while hiding in empire running missions....
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Cassius Rex A better Caldari militia means more fighting, more challenge and more fun, which is why it honestly ****es me off when I see Caldari players acting like they are actually winning something because of possesing two utterly worthless Star Systems that we care nothing about at all. Caldari militia players should be redoubling their efforts, not lying to themselves about their "victory" while hiding in empire running missions.... Unfortunately theres only an extremely small group of the CalMilita that sees this problem.Ive seen times of over 600 militia online,and when the x's go up for a gang you may get 30 max.Its true..militia chat is for talky talky.Whether theyre mission grinding or just in it to say 'Im in the militia' is besides the point. Those that want to actually fight are limited to their own private channels of maybe 20 or so dedicated pilots,who also I might add refuse to go the Tama direction.Ive found the small gangs roaming in Gall space are the way to go,but even then,theres the odd time where you might find a Gall blob (Yes a Gall blob!!) and its time to cut your losses and back out if the odds are a little too much.In saying that though it's still a thousand times better than taking a shiny ship with the caracal/drake blobs getting drilled trying to jump into Tama.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.07.24 13:20:00 - [84] Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 24/07/2008 13:20:56 Cassius Rex sounds sexy on vent so he wins this thread. er audio
FDUSPYZOR	Posted - 2008.07.24 15:07:00 - [85] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba My current battelship was out there for quite a lot times, and wasn't destroyed yet, i start to worry that insurance will run out on this soon, despite of going out to black rise almost every day. Looks like you don't do as well in game as your forum warriour department is trying to tell us. Yakia Toviltobas name cannot be found on either the Gallente Militia KB or the Caldari KB. Zero kills. Zero participation. Zero losses. Looks like it's you that is the 'Forum Warrior'.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:20:00 - [86] 2008.07.24 20:13 The Abyss Corporation is leaving the Gallente Federation faction within 24 hours. After that time The Abyss Corporation may no longer fight on behalf of Gallente Federation. Bored back to 0.0!! 7000 enemy, and no targets! Good fight chaps (to begin with at least) and was fun making some new friends, and enemies.... and being podded by the enigma that is...Daniel Jackson. Cassius hit the nail on the head.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.24 21:27:00 - [87] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss 2008.07.24 20:13 The Abyss Corporation is leaving the Gallente Federation faction within 24 hours. After that time The Abyss Corporation may no longer fight on behalf of Gallente Federation. Bored back to 0.0!! 7000 enemy, and no targets! Good fight chaps (to begin with at least) and was fun making some new friends, and enemies.... and being podded by the enigma that is...Daniel Jackson. Cassius hit the nail on the head. maybe you guys should join the caldari... plenty of willing targets will come your way then. Search: Sky Grunthor
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.24 21:59:00 - [88] I think they may have a slightly dubious standing with Caldari if they've been popping them.
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:31:00 - [89] Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 24/07/2008 22:36:09 Removed...
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss 2008.07.24 20:13 The Abyss Corporation is leaving the Gallente Federation faction within 24 hours. After that time The Abyss Corporation may no longer fight on behalf of Gallente Federation. Bored back to 0.0!! 7000 enemy, and no targets! Good fight chaps (to begin with at least) and was fun making some new friends, and enemies.... and being podded by the enigma that is...Daniel Jackson. Cassius hit the nail on the head. No targets ? Oh c'mon we had a fleet going for like almost 2 hours, roaming from nourv to Old Man Star, around Black Rise and back. And no gals there to fight us (yes at the end you finally got a blob twice as big as ours, when our fleet was almost disbanding out of pure boredom, so we had to go back to nourv). How can you say there are no targets ? You shouldn't be sitting in gallente highsec or at a hidden corner of an empty system if you are looking for fights. I think you leave the militia because your corp can't stand the pressure from being constantly killed. Are this the first signs of gallente militia disbanding and falling appart ?

Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:00:00 - [91] Considering there is no real advantage to conqouring systems at the moment I would have to say that the Gallente are the clear dominating force, though the fact that they havent attempted to atleast recapture the lost system might come back to bite them in the ass if CCP makes holding systems worth something other than bragging rights. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:11:00 - [92] Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 24/07/2008 22:49:33 I see a bit of kills on Caldari that are not Faction, are they killing noobs to boost numbers? 0/ CCP should just integrate the Combat log to a Database and and auto sort to the various boards for Faction kills only. Also Whenever im out PVPing for hours, usually Caldari will not engage unless 3-5 : 1 ratio. Gallente are willing to engage at even or less than even odds. I've asked for an official fake-proof and automated killboard since the beginning of FW, but looks like CCP doesn't like to give us one. If they did, it might become obvious that most of the gallente kills are frigs and noobships, piloted by gallente spies, that are killed in order to come to the forums and scream "we win, we win, we have more kills" despite of losing the war. As to the numbers, it isn't true in general, i've seen caldaris even attack against the odds (after one is bored enough because one didn't find targets for an hour, suicidal fights are not uncommon). But in general numbers of ships don't have much to say, of course we are not going to fight a gallente fleet of equal numbers, that mostly consists of battelships and t2 ships, when our fleet is made of cheap fitted t1 cruisers. Bring an equal force and you will get a fight 100%.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I've asked for an official fake-proof and automated killboard since the beginning of FW, but looks like CCP doesn't like to give us one. If they did, it might become obvious that most of the gallente kills are frigs and noobships, piloted by gallente spies, that are killed in order to come to the forums and scream "we win, we win, we have more kills" despite of losing the war. In fact, if there is any ship type spammed by the Caldari (or Gallente spies ) it is Drakes, probably followed by Caracals. Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As to the numbers, it isn't true in general, i've seen caldaris even attack against the odds (after one is bored enough because one didn't find targets for an hour, suicidal fights are not uncommon). I'd like to see that. Just last night I was in a small cheap fit suicide gang which chased a standard caldari fleet which outmanned and outgunned us back into highsec. - DesuSigs
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:28:00 - [94] Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 25/07/2008 00:29:59 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 24/07/2008 22:49:33 I see a bit of kills on Caldari that are not Faction, are they killing noobs to boost numbers? 0/ CCP should just integrate the Combat log to a Database and and auto sort to the various boards for Faction kills only. Also Whenever im out PVPing for hours, usually Caldari will not engage unless 3-5 : 1 ratio. Gallente are willing to engage at even or less than even odds. I've asked for an official fake-proof and automated killboard since the beginning of FW, but looks like CCP doesn't like to give us one. If they did, it might become obvious that most of the gallente kills are frigs and noobships, piloted by gallente spies, that are killed in order to come to the forums and scream "we win, we win, we have more kills" despite of losing the war. As to the numbers, it isn't true in general, i've seen caldaris even attack against the odds (after one is bored enough because one didn't find targets for an hour, suicidal fights are not uncommon). But in general numbers of ships don't have much to say, of course we are not going to fight a gallente fleet of equal numbers, that mostly consists of battelships and t2 ships, when our fleet is made of cheap fitted t1 cruisers. Bring an equal force and you will get a fight 100%. Right, so what time are you playing? T1 frigs/cruiser. Seriously? Are you trying to yank my chain? Drakes, ravens, caracals and crows and other stealth bombers, are considers t1 frigs and cruisers? Every time I pvp which is about a few hours before DT and after, I only see fleets of drakes, if I recall right yesterday I ran into a fleet of at least 7 drakes and several bs's and many other ships. Filled my scanner, wish I screen took a shots of caldari fleets.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:40:00 - [95] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba But in general numbers of ships don't have much to say, of course we are not going to fight a gallente fleet of equal numbers, that mostly consists of battelships and t2 ships, when our fleet is made of cheap fitted t1 cruisers. Bring an equal force and you will get a fight 100%. What on earth is your battleplan then? You only engage an enemy if you outnumber them as well as everyone is flying frigs or noobships? What do you hope to achieve with that? Defeat your enemy by making them run out of ammo killing you over and over again?
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:54:00 - [96] All I have to say is: The other day I put an X in local and a Caldari fleet ganged me (my corp is Gal Militia) and I learned the following things: 1. Corewin is an angry, angry man. 2. No one in the Caldari militia knows what 'align to' or 'don't warp to 0' means. 3. They are terrified of smartbombs. 4. They called us 'spunkweasels'?
CaptainSeafort Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:00:00 - [97] I won't claim to have flown in every single battle or to definitively state "OMGLOL AMARR SUX!", but here are my observations: I haven't seen any Gallente nano pilots. I haven't seen any Caldari nano pilots. I have NEVER seen a Gallente fleet bigger than the Caldari fleet it is lining up against. I was in a 25 man gang which ran into a 65-70man squiddie blob. Mostly Drakes and Caracals, with 3 BBs in it and assorted other ships. We inflicted around 40 casualties, took sixteen casualties, and the Caldari gang broke and ran through gate. The only time I have seen a gang of friendlies even approaching a squiddie fleets size is when our 40 man bumped into a 15 man Minmatar group, and we teamed up. The squiddies had a 60man in the next system camping the gate. Oh, and 90 one system over ready to swarm in when we "took the bait". Cue surprise attack on support forces. "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:04:00 - [98] Originally by: CaptainSeafort stuff that does not pertain to my reply... I love that series... The Seafort Saga by David Feintuch... reading it again now for the 6th time. Search: Sky Grunthor
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:09:00 - [99] Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 25/07/2008 01:10:42 Originally by: CaptainSeafort I won't claim to have flown in every single battle or to definitively state "OMGLOL AMARR SUX!", but here are my observations: I haven't seen any Gallente nano pilots. I haven't seen any Caldari nano pilots. I have NEVER seen a Gallente fleet bigger than the Caldari fleet it is lining up against. I was in a 25 man gang which ran into a 65-70man squiddie blob. Mostly Drakes and Caracals, with 3 BBs in it and assorted other ships. We inflicted around 40 casualties, took sixteen casualties, and the Caldari gang broke and ran through gate. The only time I have seen a gang of friendlies even approaching a squiddie fleets size is when our 40 man bumped into a 15 man Minmatar group, and we teamed up. The squiddies had a 60man in the next system camping the gate. Oh, and 90 one system over ready to swarm in when we "took the bait". Cue surprise attack on support forces. I think we can rest our case, even some caldari admit it. Now nano, I am Gallante but I nano, because my ship line is Minmatar, I also tank sometimes. I have seen Gallente fleets bigger or equal to caldari, but usually caldari are always blobbing in nurv, until they 3:1 us. Even if we flew more t2 ships or BSÆs which is not true, you must find a way to counter the tactics used. But Caldari usually use more t2 ships BS and BCÆs than they admit and the kb surely shows this. Also, we use many T1 stuff too, I see a bit of people using T1 frigs/cruisers
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:51:00 - [100] Its all anecdotal until CCP publishes all losses in a public place that is api driven for everyone whether they want it there or not. Even if they go through ISD or some such organization to do cleaning of the data so we just get statistics and not individual kills, that would be appropriate. Statistics would be numbers and types of ships killed, isk destroyed, etc. without that impartial source... there is no true global or definitive evaluation that can be made with accuracy. Post to our respective killboards all we want... we will still miss much of it. Still fun to fling the banter around somewhat however. Search: Sky Grunthor

Cassius Rex Solitary Rogue	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:07:00 - [101] Originally by: Crumplecorn I'd like to see that. Just last night I was in a small cheap fit suicide gang which chased a standard caldari fleet which outmanned and outgunned us back into highsec. I still can't beleive that, even though it's happened before. I was in a Thorax and they had more Battleships and Battlecrusiers than we did, and ran straight back to Nourveakiken. GAHHH!. We did end up killing that Harbinger and a Drake on the Nourve gate before leaving (my only 2 KMs of the day, after hours of flying around black rise....). I might not be long for Faction Warfare myself if it's going to be like this.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.07.26 03:25:00 - [102] You Caldari really need to be more careful with your fleet invites.. Second one in 3 days lol.
Ulasim Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:17:00 - [103] In my experience there are 3 winners in faction warfare. 1. Ninja looting neutrals and people who find a large fleet fight and can make off with in the area of 100mill in loot. 2. Industrialists 3. Corporations/groups/alliance/people who can afford to fly expensive ships all day and just want targets.
Murk Loar Caldari The Ex-Patriots	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:39:00 - [104] Originally by: Ikvar You Caldari really need to be more careful with your fleet invites.. Second one in 3 days lol. Lmao.That is hilarious,but scary at the same time. Also, Pendulum:Good fightin' music.
Shiho Weitong Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.26 06:12:00 - [105] this will be as biased, as all other posts here, as I am caldari, but this my view. We are at war. Usually that means that whoever is left wins. Problem is, that capsuleers are "immortal" so killing someone does absolutely nothing for the war effort. The next measure of victory is to go into a war of attrition and make the other side run out resources. Not bloody likely on either side. The only other relevant measure of succes must be taking space from the other side, if for nothing else, then for bragging rights. I would love to actually get into a fight, when going into plexes as I see that as what the war really is. Pawns being pushed into a landgrab for the factions they are serving. If you gallente factionalists would actually oppose us when we come to capture your systems, I think you would find much more action... With regards to the "there are only the goals you set yourself" rant comming strong, i'd like to add, that we actually have a goal. To take over gallente low-sec. And no matter how you try to twist and turn it, that is in fact what we are doing. ----------------------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.07.26 06:20:00 - [106] For all you Gallente nano-users, your days are at an end http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=574 Tis all I gots to say!
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.07.26 06:47:00 - [107] And in turn Gallente recons become a mighty tool again, so what ?
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.26 06:51:00 - [108] Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 26/07/2008 06:54:26 So last night my time 0730 eve time, caldari did engage us at even numbers, out gunning us, so I was impressed when the squids engaged, but it was only on the Nurv gate. Was 6 Kills to 1 Loss, Later that night the squids braved out and ended up getting split up and loosing ships about 1000 right before downtime. I guess they need better organization and the 3:1 ratio. I want to make a note that the squids on the forum post said that they fly t1 cruisers and frigates. How come we killed a, Raven, Rohk, and Drake, 2 x Caracal, Rupture, Crow, and Raptor.....? Looks like that was more than t1 cruisers and friggys that you claim to only fly, not to mention what jumped or warped away.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.26 10:55:00 - [109] For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle.
Lucky 8 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:24:00 - [110] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I've asked for an official fake-proof and automated killboard since the beginning of FW, but looks like CCP doesn't like to give us one. If they did, it might become obvious that most of the gallente kills are frigs and noobships, piloted by gallente spies, that are killed in order to come to the forums and scream "we win, we win, we have more kills" despite of losing the war. As to the numbers, it isn't true in general, i've seen caldaris even attack against the odds (after one is bored enough because one didn't find targets for an hour, suicidal fights are not uncommon). But in general numbers of ships don't have much to say, of course we are not going to fight a gallente fleet of equal numbers, that mostly consists of battelships and t2 ships, when our fleet is made of cheap fitted t1 cruisers. Bring an equal force and you will get a fight 100%. I lol'd Your avitar should be that Comical Ali guy. No srsly. -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.

Lucky 8 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:32:00 - [111] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle. "Now even the Gallente command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us." You caldari guys really ARE winning! Just keep jumping into Tama, keep X'ing up for Corewhine and Lolomor! Go Caldari! -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
WAuter Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle. You cannot prove a statement with one example, basic statistics.
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:42:00 - [113] It's me. I'm the shine in the OP. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Xol'tan dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:58:00 - [114] The individual skill of the caldari from what ive seen is low but when someone rounds them up and gets them warping in the same direction they have the numbers to at least be a threat, problem is we see them comming from a mile away and random militia newbs x up to go suicide in there t1 fitted bc giveing the squids a reason to pat themselfs on the back.
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.26 22:30:00 - [115] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle. You sir are a JOKE, remeber you said you guys only use crusiers and t1 frigates! Lies! Propaganda at its finest!
Odewad Gallente Geddonites	Posted - 2008.07.26 23:56:00 - [116] Being Gallente in FW consists of sitting in station in Villore typing "X" for hours on end. ------ http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5962/brightlc7.png This ^^ sucks
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:01:00 - [117] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa First, this is not a troll post or any sort huh? I don't understand ...
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:03:00 - [118] Originally by: WAuter Originally by: Yakia TovilToba For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle. You cannot prove a statement with one example, basic statistics. I could give so many examples, that fights happen on a daily basis and almost always Caldari win the battle. Here another fight, which took place in Tama at Nourv gate 1 hour ago: --> Tama Battle 27/7 <--
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar The PeacekeeperZ Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:10:00 - [119] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: WAuter Originally by: Yakia TovilToba For everyone who isn't interested in propaganda lies and forum warfare "truth", here is a standard example of a Caldari vs Gallente melitia fight, which happened yesterday night: --> Battle Summary <-- It shows 63 friendly, 57 hostile, but since gallentes were wiped out there and didn't have that many kills, many of their ships are not shown in this battle report (ships of theirs that were not killed and didn't make it on the killmail of the very few destroyed caldari ships). So the numbers were about equal, and Gallente lost horribly. That is happening on TQ, and not what people above are telling. When it comes to real fights and Gallente use other ships than coward nano-snipers, the result is almost always like in this battle. You cannot prove a statement with one example, basic statistics. I could give so many examples, that fights happen on a daily basis and almost always Caldari win the battle. Here another fight, which took place in Tama at Nourv gate 1 hour ago: --> Tama Battle 27/7 <-- WoW! a BS/BC blob killed a smaller cruiser blob. gratz with that.
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:50:00 - [120] Edited by: UnDeRBaLaNcE on 27/07/2008 21:51:40 Well we popped a CNR yesterday! Whoot and a few others. Well I am on Caldari boards trying to get that battle summary? But I cannot and I see my pilot, how come Caldari only posted half of the losses, what the fek..... I participated or killed 36, but on caldari it says 15 LOL. I was so going to post the kills, but we are missing several on our KB, and Caldari have not even posted any of their losses on their kill board when I check systems deaths. What I could gather is below... Caldari eventually warped out and aborted, we jumped into caldari drones out and gate camping. This statistic is from both boards I searched out both KM posting and each person who wants to verify can by looking to 0850-0905 yesterday. I would say we were out DPed going into this. Yes I lost my maelstrom, I was able to tank as being primary with 4 ravens, scorp and drakes attacking me, for a while, took 54k damage on before I could not hold off that many ships. So I can careless about it. GALLENTE KILLS Caldari Navy Raven Raven x3 Scorpion Typhoon Drake x2 Thorax x2 Merlin x2 Cormorant Crow x2 Blackbird Brutix Muninn Myrmidon Vexor Ferox Thrasher Slasher CALDARI KILLS Thorax x3 Crow x2 Helios Vexor Dominix x2 Caracal Tristan Arazu Brutix Maelstrom <- My maelstrom :) 54 K Damage Blackbird Celestis Megathron

Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.28 02:50:00 - [121] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin I could give so many examples, that fights happen on a daily basis and almost always Caldari win the battle. Here another fight, which took place in Tama at Nourv gate 1 hour ago: --> Tama Battle 27/7 <-- WoW! a BS/BC blob killed a smaller cruiser blob. gratz with that. Our blob was not even much bigger than theirs. When we have more numbers, we totally annihilate them, like in the fight in Old Man Star, less than an hour ago: -> Old Man Star Battle 28.07 <- Next to that we took a plex there and few other plex in Ladi (almost flipped the system). So you see, Caldari are totally dominating the field, the statements of some Gallente in this thread have simply nothing to do with what's happening in game. Respect to the Gallentes for not running in the last fights though.
UnDeRBaLaNcE Firehawks	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:15:00 - [122] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Rhatar Khurin I could give so many examples, that fights happen on a daily basis and almost always Caldari win the battle. Here another fight, which took place in Tama at Nourv gate 1 hour ago: --> Tama Battle 27/7 <-- WoW! a BS/BC blob killed a smaller cruiser blob. gratz with that. Our blob was not even much bigger than theirs. When we have more numbers, we totally annihilate them, like in the fight in Old Man Star, less than an hour ago: -> Old Man Star Battle 28.07 <- Next to that we took a plex there and few other plex in Ladi (almost flipped the system). So you see, Caldari are totally dominating the field, the statements of some Gallente in this thread have simply nothing to do with what's happening in game. Respect to the Gallentes for not running in the last fights though. Agian you just confirmed sir that you must have more numbers! See you in 45 mintues ill be home to kill you guys more.
Whiskey Oscar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:55:00 - [123] So you're saying your guys are better at pretend spaceships than our guys? Whoa, my self worth just evaporated. Unless our guys are right and we're better at clicking a mouse button to make our pretend spaceships turn your 1 into a 0 on a computer somewhere in Europe, and then I'm super pleased with myself in a way that usually takes a large amount of huffing to accomplish.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:09:00 - [124] Originally by: Cassius Rex Originally by: Crumplecorn I'd like to see that. Just last night I was in a small cheap fit suicide gang which chased a standard caldari fleet which outmanned and outgunned us back into highsec. I still can't beleive that, even though it's happened before. I was in a Thorax and they had more Battleships and Battlecrusiers than we did, and ran straight back to Nourveakiken. GAHHH!. We did end up killing that Harbinger and a Drake on the Nourve gate before leaving (my only 2 KMs of the day, after hours of flying around black rise....). I might not be long for Faction Warfare myself if it's going to be like this. Fly in small group in Placid. Xing up in Villore so a noob FC can get you too run the OMS->Tama pipe after two hours of waiting to have "enough people" is utterly pointless. Placid is pretty nice for small gang action. And by small I mean like 5 people. Plenty of fights to be had with Caldari plexers. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.28 06:41:00 - [125] Both caldari and gallente FCs usually refuse to attack when they dont outnumber the other, with a few exceptions like invicta. Now caldari are doing better at plexes the gallente tell that they can only run missions. When gallente was doing better we were just superior (i used to be in gallente militia). At the moment neither side is winning.


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