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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:29:00 -
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I am relatively certain that CCP hasn't responded in this thread because:
1) The are still testing and getting feedback on the changes made on SISI. It's only been in testing for a week people. (Psst, which is exactly what they should be doing).
2) As a general rule, CCP does not feel the need to make official posts in threads like this. In fact, considering what a cesspool this thread is, I really don't blame them a bit. I mean really, Noaz made a post throwing out numbers for a speed fit... obviously only looking at the parts of that fit that contributed to speed and only as a general example. Instantly every idiot in EVE cleverly portrayed that partial fit as Noaz's idea of a PVP fit!!111! Please people, thats pathetic even for the trolls in here. At least TRY to be inventive.
In case you don't realize it, with the possible exception of this thread... and that joke of a vote over in the hall... people posting rabid/panic stricken posts against the very idea of a nano nerf are pretty much laughing stocks. Now people that are constructively discussing the details of said patch do not fall into that category, I'm talking about the ones hyper-ventilate and claim small gang PVP will die and EVE will be ruined.
Yep, thats right, laughing stocks. So get over yourselves just a bit eh? Realize changes need to happen, are GOING to happen, and perhaps you can get your thoughts organized enough to have some positive effect on this patches final form.
It wouldn't break my heart a bit if some things currently in testing are eased up a bit. But coming in here and showing your ass in this thread are not going to help change anything (except reduce your credibility perhaps).
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SlothLoveChunk
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:43:00 -
[3902]
Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 06/08/2008 00:14:50
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
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SlothLoveChunk
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:43:00 -
[3903]
Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 06/08/2008 00:14:50
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:22:00 -
[3904]
Originally by: SlothLoveChunk
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
Actually ive never used it either but that does not mean that it dosnt update from a lot of the various killboards in eve and in most cases is very accurate. This is a first that ive seen such a discrepancy in kills on anybodys stats.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:22:00 -
[3905]
Originally by: SlothLoveChunk
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
Actually ive never used it either but that does not mean that it dosnt update from a lot of the various killboards in eve and in most cases is very accurate. This is a first that ive seen such a discrepancy in kills on anybodys stats.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:44:00 -
[3906]
Originally by: SlothLoveChunk
Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 06/08/2008 00:14:50
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
Another little secret: Battleclinic gets killmails from a lot of other killboards. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:44:00 -
[3907]
Originally by: SlothLoveChunk
Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 06/08/2008 00:14:50
Originally by: Commander Shag
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Battleclinic is not even close.
Don't care about your convo, just saying.
30% of your kills at least shows you have killed stuff and while its not totally accurate or impressive figures on either, as i already mentioned its a good guide to see if ppl actually pvp or not as less than 40 kills in 4 years is a good indication that somebody does not tbh.
Although i do agree that your figures are the most extreme ive ever seen as far as discrepancies on battle clinic is concerned, maybe its cos most of your kills were this year or summat else as some are posted but others are not.
I'll let you in on a little secret here. Nobody uses battleclinic.
Corps use their own killboards most of the time.
Another little secret: Battleclinic gets killmails from a lot of other killboards. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Helevorn Feanaro
Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:05:00 -
[3908]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Hmm, lets see...
Gallente recons - no longer useless Assault frigates now have a role Short range, small ship tactics now viable Missile ships now have a greater pvp role Many different combinations of mid slot mods are now viable instead of the boring mwd/point/web
All in all many different options and ship types now useful for pvp.
Downside?
Some Vaga and Ishtar pilots need to learn to fly differently
All these new options and you think its a nerf? Really?
QFT
Originally by: Kage Psychodin
You sir, indirectly hit the nail on the head. CCP wants interceptors, interdictors, recons,heavy interdictors and smaller to have their roles as primary tacklers like cheap disposable frigates. I think in all honesty, they didn't expect everyone to be able to omni role their ship (able to web and disrupt, tank via nano, and deal damage like the ishtar.) And so they're going to shred things down to requiring armor/shield tanks again for most setups that either lack some tank or pack their own tackle, but can't be right on top of their target, thus meaning you need a mix of ships. not just nano-HASes, but interceptors, heavy assault ships, Battleships, etc.
And you'd better believe they're gonna nerf stuff to their vision every time, sadly.
QFT
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Helevorn Feanaro
Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:05:00 -
[3909]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Hmm, lets see...
Gallente recons - no longer useless Assault frigates now have a role Short range, small ship tactics now viable Missile ships now have a greater pvp role Many different combinations of mid slot mods are now viable instead of the boring mwd/point/web
All in all many different options and ship types now useful for pvp.
Downside?
Some Vaga and Ishtar pilots need to learn to fly differently
All these new options and you think its a nerf? Really?
QFT
Originally by: Kage Psychodin
You sir, indirectly hit the nail on the head. CCP wants interceptors, interdictors, recons,heavy interdictors and smaller to have their roles as primary tacklers like cheap disposable frigates. I think in all honesty, they didn't expect everyone to be able to omni role their ship (able to web and disrupt, tank via nano, and deal damage like the ishtar.) And so they're going to shred things down to requiring armor/shield tanks again for most setups that either lack some tank or pack their own tackle, but can't be right on top of their target, thus meaning you need a mix of ships. not just nano-HASes, but interceptors, heavy assault ships, Battleships, etc.
And you'd better believe they're gonna nerf stuff to their vision every time, sadly.
QFT
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Trader Jjoe
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:26:00 -
[3910]
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: White Chasm
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Popsikle
Born in eve 2004.09.21
36 kills 12 losses in 4 years?????.
LOL were those kills in your dreams.
Not everyone posts their kills.
So your saying that this person has only ever killed ppl who never post there losses and the ppl she/he flew with never posted any mails either ever???.
Battle clinic is about as accurate as it gets bud not 100% but close enough to get a very good idea.
White Chasm
16 kills 6 losses
How close is that?...by all means post the hundreds that are missing and prove me wrong.
Is it not interesting that the majority of the pro-nerf crowd are mission runners and have little to no stake in PvP anwyay? What the hell is their problem? Maybe us PvP people should start suggesting that missions are wayyy to easy and LP's should be 10 times harder to get.
Go play your carebear game and let us play our PvP.
Clearly the biggest issue that the speed nerf poses is that Blob warfare wins out. The game cannot support large fleets well as it is. I was in a battle with Hyrdra and it was like playing a turn based game with no graphics.
Ships would not load on the overview, and when they did, they would soon dissapear off grid - because the frid was like 200km.
You just locked and targeted ships hit f1-fwhatever and hoped you got a kill. A couple hours later you checked the Kill board to see what if any kills you got.
This is the future of Eve? If so, CCP - say good bye to my 4 accounts. I love this game , but if you plan to ruin it as bad as Lucas ruined SWG (or worse) or screw it up Like Mythic did DAOC, then do not be surprised if the results are similar.
You want to reduce speed a little fine - but if you take it out as a vialbe play style you lose heavy.
You will keep all your carebears but us People who actually want to play versus People will leave slowly but surely.
And in case you want to look up my main - Sean Arek (I logged in with my isker account).
I Play Verus People.
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Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:30:00 -
[3911]
Edited by: Amarr Holymight on 06/08/2008 16:30:00
Originally by: Jakzin
Originally by: Stab Wounds [Ishtar, shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dark Blood Small Nosferatu [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
Ogre II x5
DPS: 634
Defense: 904
HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.
This is almost as funny as the guy who said that armor tanking the vaga is a viable alternative and will become the new standard fast.
I tried this fit on SISI last week ur basically just flying an expensive Drake with a DPS/Tank tradeoff, whats the point?
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Amarr Holymight
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:30:00 -
[3912]
Edited by: Amarr Holymight on 06/08/2008 16:30:00
Originally by: Jakzin
Originally by: Stab Wounds [Ishtar, shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dark Blood Small Nosferatu [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
Ogre II x5
DPS: 634
Defense: 904
HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.
This is almost as funny as the guy who said that armor tanking the vaga is a viable alternative and will become the new standard fast.
I tried this fit on SISI last week ur basically just flying an expensive Drake with a DPS/Tank tradeoff, whats the point?
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Trader Jjoe
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:35:00 -
[3913]
Originally by: Amarr Holymight Edited by: Amarr Holymight on 06/08/2008 16:30:00
Originally by: Jakzin
Originally by: Stab Wounds [Ishtar, shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dark Blood Small Nosferatu [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
Ogre II x5
DPS: 634
Defense: 904
HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.
This is almost as funny as the guy who said that armor tanking the vaga is a viable alternative and will become the new standard fast.
I tried this fit on SISI last week ur basically just flying an expensive Drake with a DPS/Tank tradeoff, whats the point?
He makes an excellent point. HAC's offer little to no value over Battle Cruisers with this proposed nerf. Including insurance differances about 75mil more for . . . . what exactly?
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Trader Jjoe
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:35:00 -
[3914]
Originally by: Amarr Holymight Edited by: Amarr Holymight on 06/08/2008 16:30:00
Originally by: Jakzin
Originally by: Stab Wounds [Ishtar, shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dark Blood Small Nosferatu [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
Ogre II x5
DPS: 634
Defense: 904
HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.
This is almost as funny as the guy who said that armor tanking the vaga is a viable alternative and will become the new standard fast.
I tried this fit on SISI last week ur basically just flying an expensive Drake with a DPS/Tank tradeoff, whats the point?
He makes an excellent point. HAC's offer little to no value over Battle Cruisers with this proposed nerf. Including insurance differances about 75mil more for . . . . what exactly?
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Hoshino Rika
Caldari GBTeam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:44:00 -
[3915]
well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also haced have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
"Wellcome to Rivendell... Mr Anderson"
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Hoshino Rika
Caldari GBTeam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:44:00 -
[3916]
well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also haced have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
"Wellcome to Rivendell... Mr Anderson"
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somanco
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:47:00 -
[3917]
THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS THINGS IS GOING TO ANOTHER GAME ...
IF CCP GOT COMPETITION MAYBE AND THEN MAYBE CCP HEAR US THE CLIENTS ... TILL THEN CCP DO WATHEVER THEY WANT BUT REMEMBER BEFORE TRINITI PATCH WE USE TO BE 20 K OF PPL NOW WE ARE 30.. WEN THE PATCH COME CLEAR.. DUN NO... MAYBE 40 MAYBE 20 AGAIN BUT CCP COMPETITION IS NEAR.. MAKE SOME REAL CHANGES TO THE GAME NOT THIS CRAPY ONES CCP PPL CAN CHANGE GAMES YOU NOW AND GET BORED OF THINGS LIKE THIS THIS IS NOT WOW HERE YOU ONLI TAKE ONE YEAR OF PAYD GAME ONLY IF YOU SCREW THIS UP AND SOME GOOD PLAYERS GONA LEAVE THE GAME I HOPE YOU NOW WATH YOU ARE DOING XD.
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somanco
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:47:00 -
[3918]
THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS THINGS IS GOING TO ANOTHER GAME ...
IF CCP GOT COMPETITION MAYBE AND THEN MAYBE CCP HEAR US THE CLIENTS ... TILL THEN CCP DO WATHEVER THEY WANT BUT REMEMBER BEFORE TRINITI PATCH WE USE TO BE 20 K OF PPL NOW WE ARE 30.. WEN THE PATCH COME CLEAR.. DUN NO... MAYBE 40 MAYBE 20 AGAIN BUT CCP COMPETITION IS NEAR.. MAKE SOME REAL CHANGES TO THE GAME NOT THIS CRAPY ONES CCP PPL CAN CHANGE GAMES YOU NOW AND GET BORED OF THINGS LIKE THIS THIS IS NOT WOW HERE YOU ONLI TAKE ONE YEAR OF PAYD GAME ONLY IF YOU SCREW THIS UP AND SOME GOOD PLAYERS GONA LEAVE THE GAME I HOPE YOU NOW WATH YOU ARE DOING XD.
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Sophia Esperanza
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:10:00 -
[3919]
CCP could care less, they still own everyone who plays EVE lol.
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Sophia Esperanza
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:10:00 -
[3920]
CCP could care less, they still own everyone who plays EVE lol.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:54:00 -
[3921]
page 137.... this thread is too fast and needs serious rebalance
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:54:00 -
[3922]
page 137.... this thread is too fast and needs serious rebalance
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:46:00 -
[3923]
Originally by: Hoshino Rika well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also haced have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
LOl, you can bring your sisi vaga against my sisi drake and we will see how fast or how my BS t1 will kill your t2 vaga. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:46:00 -
[3924]
Originally by: Hoshino Rika well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also haced have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
LOl, you can bring your sisi vaga against my sisi drake and we will see how fast or how my BS t1 will kill your t2 vaga.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:55:00 -
[3925]
Originally by: Hoshino Rika well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also hac's have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
Your kinda living in your own little world there aint ya buddy?.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:55:00 -
[3926]
Originally by: Hoshino Rika well even tanked HAC is faster and more agile than a BC, which can m,ake a difference also hac's have better bonuses and resistances which in fact makes them superior to BCs
Your kinda living in your own little world there aint ya buddy?.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:38:00 -
[3927]
LOL CCP decided to unsticky the topic, I think too much whinage has occurred...
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:38:00 -
[3928]
LOL CCP decided to unsticky the topic, I think too much whinage has occurred...
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Amarr Citizen 15948891
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:15:00 -
[3929]
instead of worring about current ships and forcing more blob warfare junk. FIX THE SERVER SO YOU CAN FIGHT IN A BLOB. appears once again you have decided to ruin eve and force more boring gameplay. are you actually trying to lose subscribers? another sad day for wrongly placed efforts in the r and d department.
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Amarr Citizen 15948891
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:15:00 -
[3930]
instead of worring about current ships and forcing more blob warfare junk. FIX THE SERVER SO YOU CAN FIGHT IN A BLOB. appears once again you have decided to ruin eve and force more boring gameplay. are you actually trying to lose subscribers? another sad day for wrongly placed efforts in the r and d department.
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