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Cosy
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:24:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=author&p=CCP%20Nozh this man need to play more the game before take a task on game balance [imo TomB have made a better job] so i think CSM have a word to say on this not any dev can balance and adjust the game
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Any complaints can be directed towards our Music Director
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Cosy
Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Any complaints can be directed towards our Music Director
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:36:00 -
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Eve community called for a nano-nerf and they've got one on the drawing board. You can't claim the man isn't listening.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.07.25 16:21:00 -
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ludicrous speed
oh no. we've gone to plaid.
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Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 16:30:00 -
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.07.25 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 25/07/2008 16:52:44
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.25 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn Oh hey look a csm chair trolling isnt that responsible.
Actually he's perfectly correct. The community at large asked for an examination of it, due to the immense number of whines. I'd say CCP have done a pretty good job overall, and we still have time to make sure specific areas aren't thoroughly broken (like blaster ships). ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Eve community called for a nano-nerf and they've got one on the drawing board. You can't claim the man isn't listening.
im not siding with either side here...but just because the man listened to a complaint, that means he's knowledgeable? thats some crazy logic you have there.
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Dzajic
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Posted - 2008.07.25 17:31:00 -
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Im all my heart for nefing nanoHACs and making ships tank ad fight (atm only good HACs are ones that can be nanoed, IN THE EYES OF MAJORITY).
But CCP implemented every idea ever given about nerfing nanoes, times 2. Way to go to break all known game mechanics.
Not a good way to balance a MMO CCP, not a good way.
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Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:14:00 -
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the OP is a gay babby |
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic Im all my heart for nefing nanoHACs and making ships tank ad fight (atm only good HACs are ones that can be nanoed, IN THE EYES OF MAJORITY).
But CCP implemented every idea ever given about nerfing nanoes, times 2. Way to go to break all known game mechanics.
Not a good way to balance a MMO CCP, not a good way.
Didn't you know CCPs primary directive when dealing with imbalances? There are only two choices: Ignore it, or nerf it to the stone age. Doing it in moderation just is not cool. And personally I am all for sending the nano back to the stone age anyway as long as it doesn't hit frig sized ships too hard. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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telxkiskisrowr
Caldari The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn Oh hey look a csm chair trolling isnt that responsible.
Originally by: Bane Glorious the OP is a gay babby
goons do it better. Why does it take so much training to melt ice? |
Arouu
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Posted - 2008.07.25 18:56:00 -
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Speed shouls still be an option.
The solution, if any, is to give some more ways to combat it. NOT TAKE AWAY SPEED AS AN OPTION.
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Hojojitsu
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:31:00 -
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The dev post is a list of ideas that CCP's team have come up with. Not the work of this single employee. This thread is moot and should be removed really. Also, this isn't the place to discuss the changes proposed so please don't.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Glorious the OP is a gay babby
CSM's falling to namecalling in classic goon style should be seriously looked at for removal.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:53:00 -
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Aside from the stuff being part of a greater design issue, that Dev is showing huge ignorance by basing his opinions in the thread on an insane setup (full Snake set and T2 rigs, a 4B+ setup). The complaint is legit IMO, if a developer shows complete ignorance about how things work in practice on TQ.
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Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox
Originally by: Bane Glorious the OP is a gay babby
CSM's falling to namecalling in classic goon style should be seriously looked at for removal.
make a thread about it |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox
Originally by: Bane Glorious the OP is a gay babby
CSM's falling to namecalling in classic goon style should be seriously looked at for removal.
Nobheads like you taking things to heart should be removed from the human race.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Nobheads like you taking things to heart should be removed from the human race.
I see no reason why people who bring things to me should be banned. It's a witch hunt I tell you....
(It's hot and I'm bored)
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Cosy
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Eve community called for a nano-nerf and they've got one on the drawing board. You can't claim the man isn't listening.
yes a nano nerf
but if u read better dont nerf the poly or overdrives just change al speed in game 50%-60% webber
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Any complaints can be directed towards our Music Director
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Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:01:00 -
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Until i see patch notes, meh so what.
And like Jade said, they obviously listened. And if that is indeed true, then Nozh's proposals of the changes are not set in stone and he will be listening to see how certain proposed changes will effect the greater player base. I have seen a few Dev Blog proposals never ever make it to TQ. Or they hit SISI and then before release and with out warning it changed.
I would think before everyone celebrate and or cancel your accounts, I would watch to see where it goes first.
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Mother Sheep
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:08:00 -
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There is a difference between balancing and making something totally useless.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.25 23:52:00 -
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To the OP: do you actually think that one employee is given the power to make such changes without getting agreement from others?
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:01:00 -
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Obviously, whoever posts a devblog is SOLELY responsible for its content!
Fail. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Farrqua on 26/07/2008 00:15:54
Quote: speed rebalanced reported by CCP Nozh | 2008.07.25 10:44:17 | NEW | Comments Attention! The modifications discussed below are all subject to change, based on player input and testing experience.
And i think he did mention that "THEY" as in a room full of geeks has been working and arguing about this.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cosy http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=author&p=CCP%20Nozh this man need to play more the game before take a task on game balance [imo TomB have made a better job] so i think CSM have a word to say on this not any dev can balance and adjust the game
Funny, I tink he's fixing an obvious imbalance in the game. Perhaps you should take of those rose-tinned goggles, you appear to be suffering tunnel vision.
Also, the CSM raised the nano problems already, CCP said it was being looked into, dev blog is likely the result, please check the thread in this forum from Wrangler.
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Admiral Bear
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Posted - 2008.07.26 01:33:00 -
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lal mi vagabund iz usles nao :::((((((((((((((((((((((((((( |
Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone (It's hot and I'm bored)
I read that as "I'm hot and bothered" at first.
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Aeo IV
Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.07.26 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Eve community called for a nano-nerf and they've got one on the drawing board. You can't claim the man isn't listening.
Fail.
We called for a fundamental fix to the problem, not a across the board nerf to make EVERYONE's ship slower and more useless.
Somehow, that seems to translate into massive nerfs, cause carpet bombing is such a great tactic when you're trying to kill one man.
I recall, from another game, the cruel case of the Mercy Suicide bomb unit. The Unit, which flew (the Game, Supreme Commander, was an RTS) was fast, nimble, and enough of them could be extremely deadly. The problem was, while the unit was broken, it was only broken because of several underlying problems within the game; one key aspect was, in all Ranked and competitive Online matches, the game could be won by taking out the other player's Commander, and another key aspect was the fact that you could micromanage the movements of your units. Players would uses all these facts to fly several Mercies around whatever Anti-air systems the defending player had thrown up, and take out the commander, with ease.
Naturally, the community was very upset, to say the least, they whined and they moaned, and they cried, and eventually, the Game developers introduced a patch to fix it.
Now, you have to realize, the community had suggested various changes, such as introducing a new unit to counter the Mercy, fix the tracking and the way AA picked it's targets, or simply increase the build cost of the unit and decrease it's damage.
But what was the developer's solution? Add a new unit? Reduce it's damage? No. Their solution was to nerf /all/ aspects of the unit; increase it's build cost, it's build time, it's turn radius, while decreasing it's speed, it's damage, it's nimbliness. In other words, everything that made the unit useful, they nerfed, nerf to the point were it became a useless unit.
I fear that CCP is taking a similar philosophical point of view with Nano ships. The problem is, however, is that 'Nano' ships are not 'real', but rather, a collection of modules, which are used by all ships, and some ships that capable of fitting. The problem is, ALL ships can fit MWDs, ALL ships can fit nanofibers, ALL ships can fit overdrives, etc.
Nerfing these modules is a Global Nerf to any ship that DOES NOT ABUSE THESE MODULES.
This is what this whole issue boils down too; CCP wants their Sandbox, but doesn't seem to understand that a few bad eggs abusing the systems shouldn't unfairly hurt us as well. Nanos reveal a fundamental problem with the way the game handles certain weapon systems, like missiles and drones, because they can be used without any drawbacks.
People are upset. CCP wants to do something. I understand all that, but carpet bombing the problem isn't going to solve anything.
If you seriously don't see the problem with a massive across the board nerf like CCP is proposing you really shouldn't have been elected, because you clearly don't understand the magnitude such a change would do to the game, not just Nanoer and speed tankers.
And for the accord, no, I don't abuse nanos. The only time I've used nanos was on my interceptor, where they belong.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.26 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin
Originally by: Cosy http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=author&p=CCP%20Nozh this man need to play more the game before take a task on game balance [imo TomB have made a better job] so i think CSM have a word to say on this not any dev can balance and adjust the game
Funny, I tink he's fixing an obvious imbalance in the game. Perhaps you should take of those rose-tinned goggles, you appear to be suffering tunnel vision.
Also, the CSM raised the nano problems already, CCP said it was being looked into, dev blog is likely the result, please check the thread in this forum from Wrangler.
We actually didn't raise it formally. Some CSM members had some talks on the subject informally but we haven't yet passed an issue addressing speed/nanos etc. This latest blog is the result of work in the pipeline for a while that doubtless began before we took office.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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