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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.19 13:26:00 -
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Get in some gank-fit thrashers and kill every tornado you see in high sec.
Organize rewards based on how many kills you get.
Tornadogeddon.
Bonus: Buy a tornado and thrasher blueprint before this happens. Since you love industry, profit!
Or keep shooting rocks.
Whatevs. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
682
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:04:00 -
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I'm not sure you understand how Hulkageddon works. It is only successful because Hulks sit in the same spot for obnoxiously long periods of time, and do not watch out for their own well-being when hostiles arrive nearby.
You won't find Tornados doing that.
And Thrashers can't suicide gank Tornados easily anyway; what are you smoking? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Alara IonStorm
1808
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:11:00 -
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Tornado's are not really the problem.
Most Hulks are not being hit by Nado's. They are being hit by 2-3 Catalysts / Thrasher.
Operational costs of using a single Tornado to gank is 60-80 million.
It is about 3-4 Million for a small group of Destroyers. Nado's come more into play hitting the space lanes for Industrials. An area where your costs are hopefully covered by drops and you don't want to split them team mates.
Their are Nado ganks but it is mostly Destroyers doing the grunt work on Miner Ganking. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:15:00 -
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If a Tornado is fit for ultimate gank it's tank is almost non existant so Thrashers could do the job very well, as to sitting still to be ganked thats down to the pilots involved. A fair number of them seem to just sit off an undock or gate and wait for the go from whoever does their ship scanning for them. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:25:00 -
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Degren wrote:Get in some gank-fit thrashers and kill every tornado you see in high sec.
Organize rewards based on how many kills you get.
Tornadogeddon.
Bonus: Buy a tornado and thrasher blueprint before this happens. Since you love industry, profit!
Or keep shooting rocks.
Whatevs.
This is kind of like telling a homeless person you just ran over to get to the hospital and pay for his own medical expenses. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:35:00 -
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It sounds doable. Judging from the overall base EHP of the Tornado, it shouldn't take anymore than about 5-7 destroyers to kill it in one go. Of course, this is assuming the Tornado hasn't fitted any tank to it. But if they are gate camping, chances are they are disposable. However, you will need to be clever about ganking such a ship as the pilot will no doubt be alert and will wonder why a group of Thrashers and/or Catalysts are approaching him so quickly. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
682
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:41:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:However, you will need to be clever about ganking such a ship as the pilot will no doubt be alert and will wonder why a group of Thrashers and/or Catalysts are approaching him so quickly.
This is the core issue. Miners and haulers are easy to gank since they don't pay attention. Anyone in a combat ship is likely actually paying attention. Not to mention, Tornados are far more agile than Hulks. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:49:00 -
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Best proposal is to /wrist your character and biomass after trashing all your assets, then cancel your account.
Worst ******* profession in game, worst ******* ship in game, and worst ******* idea to spend about 3 months subscription once you are adequately able to fly a hulk only to tie yourself to an asteroid field like a goat waiting to die (like that scene in Jurassic Park 1). Yeah, awesome how boring it is waiting for some chump in a destroyer to blow you away at zero risk to themsleves, your salvage and module drops are worth more then the ****** destroy they used on your hulk. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:49:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:However, you will need to be clever about ganking such a ship as the pilot will no doubt be alert and will wonder why a group of Thrashers and/or Catalysts are approaching him so quickly. This is the core issue. Miners and haulers are easy to gank since they don't pay attention. Anyone in a combat ship is likely actually paying attention. Not to mention, Tornados are far more agile than Hulks.
That's why they're called glass cannons. But we all know what can happen to glass. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1120
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:56:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Best proposal is to /wrist your character and biomass after trashing all your assets, then cancel your account.
Worst ******* profession in game, worst ******* ship in game, and worst ******* idea to spend about 3 months subscription once you are adequately able to fly a hulk only to tie yourself to an asteroid field like a goat waiting to die (like that scene in Jurassic Park 1). Yeah, awesome how boring it is waiting for some chump in a destroyer to blow you away at zero risk to themsleves, your salvage and module drops are worth more then the ****** destroy they used on your hulk.
You sound mad. Tell us where the miner touched you. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:00:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Best proposal is to /wrist your character and biomass after trashing all your assets, then cancel your account.
Worst ******* profession in game, worst ******* ship in game, and worst ******* idea to spend about 3 months subscription once you are adequately able to fly a hulk only to tie yourself to an asteroid field like a goat waiting to die (like that scene in Jurassic Park 1). Yeah, awesome how boring it is waiting for some chump in a destroyer to blow you away at zero risk to themsleves, your salvage and module drops are worth more then the ****** destroy they used on your hulk.
1. Toby Keith needs a sacrificial goat so that he can be satisfied.
2. Zero risk to themselves? They have a 100% chance of losing a whole ship to Concord in addition to no insurance payout and loss of sec-status. How is that no risk?
3. This is why I never fit faction mods on my Hulk. I want to make ganks as least profitable as possible for my aggressors. That, and I make sure I have enough ISK in my coffers to afford losing my Hulk. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:01:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Best proposal is to /wrist your character and biomass after trashing all your assets, then cancel your account.
Worst ******* profession in game, worst ******* ship in game, and worst ******* idea to spend about 3 months subscription once you are adequately able to fly a hulk only to tie yourself to an asteroid field like a goat waiting to die (like that scene in Jurassic Park 1). Yeah, awesome how boring it is waiting for some chump in a destroyer to blow you away at zero risk to themsleves, your salvage and module drops are worth more then the ****** destroy they used on your hulk.
You seem to have issues. Oh btw, where would the minerals for your ships come from if all miners quit? (drones minerals getting removed and Im sure you dislike lvl 4 runners also lol) To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
962
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:05:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:However, you will need to be clever about ganking such a ship as the pilot will no doubt be alert and will wonder why a group of Thrashers and/or Catalysts are approaching him so quickly. This is the core issue. Miners and haulers are easy to gank since they don't pay attention. Anyone in a combat ship is likely actually paying attention. Not to mention, Tornados are far more agile than Hulks.
Jita/ Amarr pipe. See a dozen gank fit Tornados sitting around on the gates, their owners bored and watching dirty movies. If you want to gank some, this is the place to do it.
You'll never see rage quite like you do when either ganking the ganker or ninjaing the ship he just wasted a tornado blowing up.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Cipher Jones
363
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:52:00 -
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This thread again? really?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_Control_II http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Reinforced_bulkhead
FFS
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:06:00 -
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LMAO!!!! A gank-fitted Tornado won't be fitting any of that. LMAO!!!! Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:14:00 -
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That would be hilariously awesome if people started counter ganking thrashers/tornados. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Cipher Jones
363
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:17:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:LMAO!!!! A gank-fitted Tornado won't be fitting any of that. LMAO!!!!
You sir, are daft.
That is what you put on a hulk or mackinaw to survive a dessie gank. Which is 90+% of ganks. It works against brutix's too.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:LMAO!!!! A gank-fitted Tornado won't be fitting any of that. LMAO!!!! You sir, are daft. That is what you put on a hulk or mackinaw to survive a dessie gank. Which is 90+% of ganks. It works against brutix's too.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize this topic had anything to do with tanking Hulks or Mackinaws. Considering that this thread is mainly about ganking the gankers, I assumed that no one would bother to fit tanking modules because, let's face it, no one can survive nor escape Concord... for long.
So please, explain to me how I was daft to not realize that you were referring to a Hulk or Mack in a Tornado thread? Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:00:00 -
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buy ALL THE Tornadoes |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
682
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:05:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:So please, explain to me how I was daft to not realize that you were referring to a Hulk or Mack in a Tornado thread? At root it's another whine thread about suicide gankers, except with a "let's see hoe they like it" twist. Ganking suicide gankers just doesn't work well, and the solution for all these tears is just fitting tank to a Hulk/Mack. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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Cipher Jones
363
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:26:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize this topic had anything to do with tanking Hulks or Mackinaws. Considering that this thread is mainly about ganking the gankers, I assumed that no one would bother to fit tanking modules because, let's face it, no one can survive nor escape Concord... for long So please, explain to me how I was daft to not realize that you were referring to a Hulk or Mack in a Tornado thread?
Because the OP was misinformed and you went with what he said without researching it. The thread is called "A modest proposal to hisec miners. It has little to do with tornado's.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:39:00 -
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This proposal has much to be modest about. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
104
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:53:00 -
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Industrialist are the ones making the tornadoes that blow them up. It's irony at it's finest.
Solution:
1. Get everyone to stop making tornadoes 2. Suicide gankers blow themselves up before they realize what's happening 3. Tornadoes cost more than a hulk 4. Make a shitton of tornados 5. Sell them 6. ??? 7. PROFIT!!! 8. Never have to worry about suicide ganking again because now you has tons of money. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
683
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:1. Get everyone to stop making tornadoes You are aware that Tornados are a T1 ship that can be made with just Industry I as a skill, right? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jita Alt666
953
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:04:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Industrialist are the ones making the tornadoes that blow them up. It's irony at it's finest.
Solution:
1. Get everyone to stop making tornadoes. Hahahahaha
But they are so profitable.
It is even possible to create mineral contracts with high sec mining companies who will waste their lives mining in an MMO so you can build tornadoes you then sell to your corp mates who then go and gank the contracted miners.
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MacLuven
EL Bernays School of Strategic Communication
11
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:11:00 -
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Post 26 before someone put up a response that noted that this was a troll.
Not bad.
When I first started reading I figured something with a title that obvious would never have worked, but here we are. The results speak for themselves.
Now we're both left wondering how long it would have kept on if I hadn't opened my yap.
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
36
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:27:00 -
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MacLuven wrote:Post 26 before someone put up a response that noted that this was a troll.
Not bad.
When I first started reading I figured something with a title that obvious would never have worked, but here we are. The results speak for themselves.
Now we're both left wondering how long it would have kept on if I hadn't opened my yap.
Because it's more fun to play along than just go "OMG TROLL!" Why? Because acting like and idiot, then saying "haha i trolled u all lololol" doesn't make you any less of an idiot. Post with your monkey. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:52:00 -
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So much rage.
I must assume you are all miners.
Spoilers: You don't have to solo to suicide gank. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:05:00 -
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"A Modest Proposal" post without any mention of the policies of Francis Bacon, the essential process of selling children to escape from the perils of poverty, or the basic rules of Latin satire,
But it got a page or so of responses so 1/10
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1007
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:13:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: You won't find Tornados doing that.
You severely overestimate the competence of your average highsec ganker. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
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