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Taya Tal
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:08:00 -
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Change the Target Painting bonus to a web strength bonus.
Sign this if you support.
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Nightelf Mowhawk
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:36:00 -
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oooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah!
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Linas IV on 28/07/2008 05:41:17 Fully Signed, (and btw the Caldari recons get a strength and range bonus on their primary EW too, so why shouldnt we ^^)
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Bruno Capri
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:56:00 -
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/signed _______________ Fight the Power |
Cmdr FlipFlop
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:19:00 -
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hell yea
/signed
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:15:00 -
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/signed.... would this apply to bellicose as well?
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Linas IV Edited by: Linas IV on 28/07/2008 05:41:17 Fully Signed, (and btw the Caldari recons get a strength and range bonus on their primary EW too, so why shouldnt we ^^)
Brilliant idea, let's just toss webs out the door and get a range bonus on our target painters!
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Irsy
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:35:00 -
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Yeah! Really nice idea!! I support this.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:36:00 -
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Could Amarr then get their TD bonus change to Nos/Neut with both range and effectiveness bonus please?
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:02:00 -
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/signed
this shld soften the blow of the nano nerf for mini pilots.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast |
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.07.28 19:54:00 -
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for the hyena as well..
also make the hyenas sig bonus a 5% not 3% ... that was the worste excuse for a bonus ever... hell just make its base size smaller :S _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 19:55:00 -
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signed
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Col Callahan
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.28 20:10:00 -
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/Signed
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.28 20:17:00 -
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SIGNED I postred same idea before and I still think it's a good idea :)
Also the belli should have it's target painting boost doubled to make it wroth flying a tech one cruiser with a bunch of torp ravens.
or make the heyna a super painter? I don't know all I know is target painting should be awesome on specialized ships.
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Raia Mortius
Yin Bao
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Posted - 2008.07.28 20:26:00 -
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good suggestion. /signed
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 28/07/2008 20:51:57 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 28/07/2008 20:50:47 /signed And more than that... I just spent a bit of time on test server. With the huge nerf to webbers slapping TWO webs on a target is only barely as effective as slapping ONE on the target was before the change. This renders the Minmatar recons and the Minmatar Electronic Warfare Frig completely unable to fulfil their role properly in stopping speed ships. It was already hard, pre-nerf, to keep fast ships from getting back to the gate. Now it's downright impossible because, even with a web on them they are still going over 500m/s which means that they don't slow down fast enough to keep them from getting to gates (or just out of web range)
Tested this with standard fit (no implants/gang bonuses) inties, hacs and other ships. The Rapier/Huggin/Hyena are incapable of stopping any ship that can outrun them at all now. They coast out of webber range too quickly compared to before the change.
Changing the target painter bonus to a web strength bonus sounds like a very good idea (who actually fits a painter on their rapier/huggin anyway?) and add a webber strength bonus to the hyena as well. Make it 10% increase to Stasis Webifier strength per level of Minmatar Cruiser/electronic warfare frigate skill. This will nicely solve the issue. Also would recommend going ahead and finally giving the belicose some love and change it's silly painter bonus as well.
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Auraurious
Subjugation
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:58:00 -
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Signed ffs.
Perfection.
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Raul Endimion
Minmatar Blood Covenant
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:03:00 -
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Signed
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.28 23:45:00 -
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Signed...
And agility increase accross the range pls. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this |
Athas Darksun
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.29 04:22:00 -
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/signed
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.29 04:27:00 -
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ill sign this, simply because my arazu/lachesis might have some kind of a use after this goes down, and as such i know what its like to have your heart ripped out and kicked in the nuts
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.29 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen ill sign this, simply because my arazu/lachesis might have some kind of a use after this goes down, and as such i know what its like to have your heart ripped out and kicked in the nuts
aww man that's too kind of you, really I have no clue how the minnie recons work out, sisi doesnt have me mirrored with the recon skill, but, just from looking at all the numbers, I have to say
WTF poor rapiers/huggins
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:55:00 -
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not gonna happen. . .just because people thing TPs are useless miss the fact that Minmatar EW is not webs but rather TPs. . .if you want TPs to be more useful ask for a TP buff (not that it does any good) but to make the recon bonus pure webber based? No way.
Besides, the Bellacose is the bese ship and its got a TP bonus, like the Arbi gets a TD bonus, the BB gets a ECM bonus and the Celestis gets a SD bonus. . .the other stuff (Web, Nos/Neut, ECM Range and Disruptor are not the racial EWs. . .so the Huggin/Rapier is actually a primaraly TP offensive, webber defensive ship - we just use it as a webber ship because thats more important today.
Ultimatly, a change like this would mean all the recons would have to be re-designed (except the Falcon/Rook perhaps) and thats just not gonna happen. ----
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Slade Hoo
Amarr xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:28:00 -
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A Target Painter on Bellicose/Minmatar Recon is now more useful than a (post patch)web when it comes to tracking. and it works for all in gang and isn't stacking penalizied with web. Why Nerf Minmatar recons any further? try it on sisi...you will notice that your gang will hit smaller ships/minmatar ships more often while orbiting
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Marzzola
Minmatar Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:50:00 -
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or at least change the rapier's bonus from target painter's to web strength, and leave the huginn the way it is. Huginn does use missiles and target painter bonus could be well utilized there if fit.
Or, just lessen the nerf to webs in general. make t2/best named webs slow people 75% instead of the 90% now. Though I think giving a bonus is the better solution for minmatar recons.
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Hoo A Target Painter on Bellicose/Minmatar Recon is now more useful than a (post patch)web when it comes to tracking. and it works for all in gang and isn't stacking penalizied with web. Why Nerf Minmatar recons any further? try it on sisi...you will notice that your gang will hit smaller ships/minmatar ships more often while orbiting
Interesting. I'd like to see more testing and evaluation of this in general. Target Painters are currently much maligned in PvP.. this may be a way of giving them a valid complementary role to webs.
It's always preferrable to find a way to use the ships properly without changes.
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jna
Caldari Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.29 09:44:00 -
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/signed ------------------------------------------------- Caeleste naves interretis res gravissimas sunt |
atrophocy
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:11:00 -
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/signed
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Ullyses
Sounds Of Violence
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:49:00 -
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i endorce this product / service / statment
/signed
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VisuoMotor
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:01:00 -
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/NOT signed
the argument that caldari get a range + strength bonus so minni should too is crap. how many falcons do you see with 12k+ shields flying 5k/s like every rapier? now rapiers will have to fit more than 1 web to be effective, and i'd support a low slot web amplifier module to force a web or speed choice.
there's a reason every single gang is full of rapiers and vagas- because nano is overpowered. don't whine because ccp is balancing it to force other ships to be used. |
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