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Architecture
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:31:00 -
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Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
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Liisa
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:33:00 -
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You own the loot inside the wreck.
You do not own the wreck itself.
Not hard to understand.
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Ne0SHNIK
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:35:00 -
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at least that makes mission running a bit more multiplayer. Besides, ninja-salvaging is a profession for some players. It requires a lot more skill than mission running in the first place. Why destroy that profession? And I am a hardcore carebare mission runner myself and not a ninja-salvager.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
It's not broken, and thus, doesn't need to be fixed.
Originally by: Architecture I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?
They do. It's called 'loot'. The material in the wreck is fair game, and is a negligible profit item.
Originally by: Architecture otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
Can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Architecture regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
Good for you. Stand by your convictions.
Originally by: Architecture CCP do something Please. Thanks.
I agree. CCP should put an end to your whining.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/07/2008 17:01:47 Run missions in lowsec -> Guard your wrecks all you want. Besides, even if you could shoot salvagers...you'd have to be REALLY, REALLY stupid to actually do it.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:02:00 -
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Like they say: mission runners tears fuel my ship Its not a bug, its a feature (c) Microsoft ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me. |
Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akuma Tsukai Like they say: mission runners tears fuel my ship
That sounds vaguely familiar... Regardless, I approve of the above product and/or service.
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Tsiros
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:25:00 -
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this game should not turn into ER where everything is ''clean and clear'' from bad things.
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Architecture
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
It's not broken, and thus, doesn't need to be fixed.
Originally by: Architecture I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?
They do. It's called 'loot'. The material in the wreck is fair game, and is a negligible profit item.
Originally by: Architecture otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
Can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Architecture regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
Good for you. Stand by your convictions.
Originally by: Architecture CCP do something Please. Thanks.
I agree. CCP should put an end to your whining.
tbh they should do something with your old style sentences
your stuff... whining...etc is so silly. and not in your dream lol
anyway thanks for your response as i wish ya good luck next time
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Architecture
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/07/2008 17:01:47 Run missions in lowsec -> Guard your wrecks all you want. Besides, even if you could shoot salvagers...you'd have to be REALLY, REALLY stupid to actually do it.
ist the same with Looters?
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture tbh they should do something with your old style sentences
Before speaking out against my sentence structure, perhaps you'd like to take a class in English as a Second Language.
Pot, meet kettle.
Originally by: Architecture your stuff... whining...etc is so silly. and not in your dream lol
What in God's name does this even mean?
Originally by: Architecture anyway thanks for your response as i wish ya good luck next time
Seek help.
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Kotami
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ne0SHNIK Besides, ninja-salvaging is a profession for some players. It requires a lot more skill than mission running in the first place.
LOL
Astrometrics? Check. Science? Check. Salvaging? Check. No conscience? Check.
GTG!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kotami LOL
Astrometrics? Check. Science? Check. Salvaging? Check. No conscience? Check.
GTG!
Oh yes, Mission Running is so much more skill intensive...
Ship? Check. Picked up Mission from Agent? Check. F1-F7 pressed? Check. Doritos and Pop? Check. Hand down pants? Check.
GTG!
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Fuhshizzle
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Fuh****zle on 28/07/2008 18:08:02 You guys are arguing two different types of skills. It takes very little SP (comparatively) to salvage someones L4 mission, and quite alot of SP to effectively run L4s.
It takes very little actual skill to effectively run L4's, while it 'initially' takes some skill to salvage someone's L4 mission. But after figuring out how to do it, its just pretty stinking easy.
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:20:00 -
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:22:00 -
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Quote: ist the same with Looters?
Why yes, yes it is. Many mission runners have been popped because they stupidly decided to engage someone looting their mission. In fact, I'm planning to get together a gankship and start doing just that.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Blood Raider Domination
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
Nothing wrong with salvaging so....
Get a corp mate of "lesser" skills to salvage and loot for you. the game is not bugged it is ok as far as salvage goes.
If this is a problem please follow the next set of instructions..
Buy 15 trillion matches , 25 tonnes of glue, 56 acres on lush valley lands, then BUILD a bridge and get over it. it aint going to be changed ffs!
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
Get A Clue.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
So you make another thread asking for a change in game mechanics in the wrong forum. It is working the way it is intended CCP needs to fix nothing.
Originally by: Architecture
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
You have it all wrong it is working as intended.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Velocity Prime
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
I don't think the folks at CCP don't see it your way. See Mitnal's post in C&P. The sticky, Crime and Punishment Resources thread. All the way on the bottom you will find the Ninja Salvager's guide. Since Mitnal stickied the thread, I might go as far as to say that salvaging is working as intended.
Now tell me where you run missions out of so I can come drink up some of those sweet, sweet tears.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:20:00 -
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Don't worry, if CCP makes salvaging flaggable, it's just going to be like can flipping. As in there will be MANY MORE looters or salvagers who come into your mission looking for a fight, and you end up dead. Then you will proceed to run to the forums and ask WHY!?!?!? did CCP make salvaging flaggable.
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Brianna Wyvernsbane
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.29 00:32:00 -
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i for one, could care less.
do i ninja salvage? yes, and love it.
would i stop if it flagged me? no, i for one would love to bag a couple CNR's and that oh-so-sweet faction gear.
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alisandent
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.29 02:19:00 -
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I wouldn't mind it if they made salvaging flaggable. As long as I get to see what I'm going to salvage before I begin. I'd just as soon not get flagged for some crappy salvage. ___________________________________
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.29 02:21:00 -
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/me agrees with above post. ^
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Sigras
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liisa You own the loot inside the wreck.
You do not own the wreck itself.
Not hard to understand.
why is it then that if someone destroys one of the wrecks that i made they get concorded? if its not really mine then why does it matter?
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Lady Aja
Caldari Blood Raider Domination
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey /me agrees with above post. ^
to stop *******s like me from shooting youre wrecks to **** you off lmao.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.29 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja to stop *******s like me from shooting youre wrecks to **** you off lmao.
What you don't realize, is the amount of Corp chatter watching a Mission Runner shooting their potential revenue generates. Sure, we're flying around salvaging what we can, but when you start shooting the wrecks, I make sure to stick around until every single one of them is gone.
Then, I try and calculate how much ISK you just lost, and how much irritation you think you've caused me.
We'd actually appreciate it even more if, while blowing up the wrecks, you could state in local exactly how angry or frustrated you think we are... ...because that only makes us laugh louder.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...
is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.
CCP do something Please. Thanks
sincerely...
I'm sorry I've sat here and read far too many of these topics. You carebears are CRYING for wreck salvaging to cause an aggro flag so you can shoot said thief.
I'm all for this, but only if you promise not to come to this forum and shit it up with "omg the salvage thief came back in a bigger ship after I aggrod him and ****d me" threads...deal?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:01:00 -
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CCP's official response as to "why" this is allowed? IN the words of GM Faulchu:
Quote:
This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Its junk. Since it isn't "worth" anything, concord won't help you protect it. -------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.07.29 20:56:00 -
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I've found that the old mantra "If you can't beam 'em, join 'em" is very much applicable to most of the things people whine incessantly about in Eve. ---
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.30 00:19:00 -
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I don't know why people keep whining for salvage flagging.
If you're whining for it then you're doing it wrong.
To get ninja salvaged you need to be in a heavily populated mission running system. There are plenty of good under utilised systems.
Salvage flagging is great as you only need a very basic frig and minimal skills to bust into the mission. Lose the ship to some angry carebear (who is now flagged). Then a gank squad comes back to kill your ship. CCP will need a dam to hold all the tears from a change like this.
Also if you're stopping to loot and salvage you're making terrible isk per hour.
Don't ask for it because you might just get it.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.30 07:57:00 -
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^Disagree. To be an effective ninja, you have lots of skills that are needed. Even a few Rank 5 and one Rank 8 skill.
Don't give me the low SP/basic ship requirement.
We have to train several long skills to be effective, and we spend almost as much on our ships as mish runners-the rigs for salvage and scan time, and the occasional full-aggro-by-NPC thing.
mission runners LOVE to warp out on me. It's cost me a lot already, and I have only been ninja salvaging for 3 days.
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voetius
Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.30 08:59:00 -
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to the OP: I'm a mission runner and I just accept the game mechanics as they are. If you don't like it then you have some options (some already mentioned above):
- get a corpie to team up with you to salvage your stuff
- don't use mission hubs like Dod, Auv or Motsu, etc
- warp out of missions when the the ninja pops in
Personally I steer clear of the mission hubs as they are too laggy for me - I prefer a lower quality agent but quiet system. If you stay out of mission hubs then I'd be surprised if you even see a ninja. I saw one in 4 months of mission running and that was just a guy testing his probing skills - had a nice chat with him as well - even offered to let him salvage the stuff but he wasn't interested.
Complaining isn't going to get you anything but mockery.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2008.07.30 11:34:00 -
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the salvage rule is somehow broken...
it was the work of a player to turn that ship into a wreck, so it belongs to the player usualy, its called a service... and ppl dont like to offer free service, thats why they are angry about it.
if u drive ur car against a tree and its just a wreck after the crash. then someone comes and steals ur chassis, what would u say about that?
"ok fine, its urs" or "hey u thief"?
diffrent situation but the prinzip is the same.
btw, why cant other ppl tractor beam wrecks if they belong to everyone? tractor beaming has nothing to do with the loot inside the wreck... thats a contradiction itself...
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2008.07.30 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nalena Arlath on 30/07/2008 11:57:37 I'll make this really simple.
You kill the rat, you get the bounty (if any) and the loot. All yours for the taking.
The wreck remains as free for all, thus anyone can salvage it if they so wish.
Now, lets do what you suggest and make wrecks flagged. What then is the purpose of salvaging again? You might as well just take the items you would have gotten from salvaging the wreck, and put them in the loot container (aka how the system worked before salvaging was implemented) and then remove the Salvage module from the game.
I see no point whatsoever in the idea of salvaging if you're going to flag the wrecks anyways. That means the ONLY purpose with salvaging is a mundane, boring cleanup job after the missions. This may be true as it is now too, but I would rather see a fix in the opposite direction, where players can scan for wrecks that are left behind (the player finished mission and closed the deadspace) so salvaging is an optional avenue for new player instead of 1) Mine, 2) Missions.
While I understand that some people fret over having their wrecks salvaged, since there is good value in the salvage (and this is the only reason for people fretting over it), I don't see CCP fixing this and flagging wrecks, nor would I want them to, nor should they need to.
If you really want the wrecks, fit a salvager and tractor to ship and do it as you go along. Optionally, if you have the cash/skills, get a Marauder which is designed for exactly that.
Salvaging is and should be a free-for-all option. You get the loot and the bounty and most times all of the salvage. It's already super easy to make cash running missions and using eve-survival to always be optimally fitted for each fight, and there is zero challenge and no risk whatsoever involved with PvE'ing and mission running. That some guy with a salvage boat might come by and salvage some of your leftovers... well hey... that just goes with the territory.
This just reeks of greed more than anything else if you want my opinion.
**edit**
And Jordan: "It's cost me a lot already, and I have only been ninja salvaging for 3 days."
The term ninjasalvaging is completely wrong. Since salvaging wrecks doesn't give you a flag as a thief, then salvaging the wrecks isn't ninja anything. It is, as far as CCP, and Concord, goes... a perfectly legit way of playing.
What you do is salvage. Period.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.30 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nalena Arlath The term ninjasalvaging is completely wrong. Since salvaging wrecks doesn't give you a flag as a thief, then salvaging the wrecks isn't ninja anything. It is, as far as CCP, and Concord, goes... a perfectly legit way of playing.
What you do is salvage. Period.
I disagree, and here's why.
The term "Ninja Salvaging" has nothing to do with the aggro argument. It has to do with the fact that we (Ninja Salvagers, and I'll thank you to keep the respect in your voice when you address us) scan down a Mission Deadspace that is unavailable to those who do not scan, appear in the Deadspace, and then proceed to go about our duties.
It's all about the actions leading up to the Salvage, not the action of salvaging, itself.
It's an accepted term, and you might want to do some research before attempting to impose your views on it.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.07.30 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos if u drive ur car against a tree and its just a wreck after the crash. then someone comes and steals ur chassis, what would u say about that?
The operative word here is "ur" (which should really be spelled "your"). The destroyed "car" (ship) is NOT yours. Try again.
Quote: btw, why cant other ppl tractor beam wrecks if they belong to everyone? tractor beaming has nothing to do with the loot inside the wreck... thats a contradiction itself...
Grasping to straws here?
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:45:00 -
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Nothing ninja about probing out mission runners.
But anyways, not gonna derail this thread further into a flamewar about semantics.
Salvage is free for all, as it should be.
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aiko Intaki on 30/07/2008 16:29:40 Consider supporting my acceleration gate locking proposal.
One of the benefits would be raising the SP bar on mission-crashing for salvage, thus mitigating the issue of disposable, anonymous ninja-salvagers. It wouldn't prevent the practice, but it would at least allow somewhat persistent names to be associated with those engaging in it. Bump the thread if you like it.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer
Originally by: fuxinos if u drive ur car against a tree and its just a wreck after the crash. then someone comes and steals ur chassis, what would u say about that?
The operative word here is "ur" (which should really be spelled "your"). The destroyed "car" (ship) is NOT yours. Try again.
Quote: btw, why cant other ppl tractor beam wrecks if they belong to everyone? tractor beaming has nothing to do with the loot inside the wreck... thats a contradiction itself...
Grasping to straws here?
a little english lesson and the beloved answer, ur wrong because ur wrong.
maybe u try again and post somethingelse then bullshit?
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aiko Intaki Consider supporting my acceleration gate locking proposal.
It sounds like another training measure that 'true' Ninja Salvagers would just overcome through training of the skill, however, if it were modified slightly so that only Player Corporations were permitted in, and NPC Corporations were not, this might be a flexible enough option.
Obviously, with the small change I mentioned, every Mission Runner would have the option to declare war on those who were invading the Mission Deadspace, and those in NPC Corporations would be locked out.
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Aiko Intaki Consider supporting my acceleration gate locking proposal.
It sounds like another training measure that 'true' Ninja Salvagers would just overcome through training of the skill, however, if it were modified slightly so that only Player Corporations were permitted in, and NPC Corporations were not, this might be a flexible enough option.
Obviously, with the small change I mentioned, every Mission Runner would have the option to declare war on those who were invading the Mission Deadspace, and those in NPC Corporations would be locked out.
It's really less about preventing ninja-salvaging, as CCP has pretty much said that wrecks are not owned and thus mission-crashing salvagers are in the right. It's more about moving the conversation from a "don't let them do this" argument to a "fine, let them do it, but have some level of accountability" argument.
The main point of the proposal is to add an additional time buffer between being scanned and engaged in low-sec missioning though. The salvaging accountability is just a side benefit.
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:56:00 -
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Well. Got my first taste of this "legitimate game mechanic" today. L3 mission, not too crowded system (as in, all other systems with agents that are any better or not much worse are crowded even more (Gallente corps have agents in highsec)).
Mission against Mercenaries, as in, pathetic salvage, only loot them for named missile launchers for Caldari mission *****s. So I salvage while looting after mission in a Cat. Guy appears, 2006 start time, ~-2 sec status, starts salvaging. I wish soo much I was in 0.0 in a 0.0 alliance.
Minimum isk loss for me this time. Frell, I'm in a drone boat, if I wanted I could salvage during the stupid missions.
But. It lives only for the griefing. To earn real money ninja salvaging you need to **** tons of folks doing L4 missions against Sansha/Ammar and Angels. And with skills to probe missionears (and such 1337 skills in PVP) you one could do real exploration in low sec, for billions if ISK and defend his finds).
Its not about money from salvage, its from them truly enjoying griefing other players, and likely hoping so much some n00b in faction fit CNR agroes them (and gets CONCORDEKKEN).
And we all know that can swapping and ore stealing are also mainly done for hoping for victim to agro you.
So, could you all please go to new player start systems and return to placing cans named "free stuf for beginners" in front of stations.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.30 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic So, could you all please go to new player start systems and return to placing cans named "free stuf for beginners" in front of stations.
That's an exploit. You should play the game beyond your Trial Period before jumping into a conversation. Quiet, Junior. The adults are talking.
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zaphodxx
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Posted - 2008.07.30 20:17:00 -
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i just blow up all my wrecks. cant be bothered wasting time looting salvagin wheni can be doing the next mission and it prevents others from looting them
1 cruise or torp each is all it takes to pop each can
better yet take everything out cept 1 crap item, let someone waste their time gathering it up
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Fennicus
Amarr Heracles.
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:54:00 -
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Whatever your views are on salvaging other people's wrecks, the fact remains that there is a clear inconsistency on the rules: CONCORD will come and kick your ass if you fire on someone else wreck.
But if you send in the Minmatar slave children with laser beams attached to their frikkin' heads it's perfectly okay.
Maybe from an RPing perspective CONCORD just can't tell if someone is salvaging, unlike when they fire weapons, so they cannot enforce such a kill-on-sight policy.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey ^Disagree. To be an effective ninja, you have lots of skills that are needed. Even a few Rank 5 and one Rank 8 skill.
Don't give me the low SP/basic ship requirement.
We have to train several long skills to be effective, and we spend almost as much on our ships as mish runners-the rigs for salvage and scan time, and the occasional full-aggro-by-NPC thing.
mission runners LOVE to warp out on me. It's cost me a lot already, and I have only been ninja salvaging for 3 days.
I've done it with a minimal skill alt. Very profitable. The fact that you need so many skills to do the same thing is not my problem. You scan faster etc with better skills but it's profitable as soon as you can scan.
You do have to watch for them warping out but my alt has never lost a heron while doing this.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:01:00 -
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Better skills= more salvage.
Because I took the time to train the rank 8 and the rank 5, I get a very fast scan time, and I am also quite accurate.
Warped in on a level 4 Worlds Collide on a drone hit that disappeared after I rescanned. =P
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic Well. Got my first taste of this "legitimate game mechanic" today. L3 mission, not too crowded system (as in, all other systems with agents that are any better or not much worse are crowded even more (Gallente corps have agents in highsec)).
Mission against Mercenaries, as in, pathetic salvage, only loot them for named missile launchers for Caldari mission *****s. So I salvage while looting after mission in a Cat. Guy appears, 2006 start time, ~-2 sec status, starts salvaging. I wish soo much I was in 0.0 in a 0.0 alliance.Minimum isk loss for me this time. Frell, I'm in a drone boat, if I wanted I could salvage during the stupid missions.
But. It lives only for the griefing. To earn real money ninja salvaging you need to **** tons of folks doing L4 missions against Sansha/Ammar and Angels. And with skills to probe missionears (and such 1337 skills in PVP) you one could do real exploration in low sec, for billions if ISK and defend his finds).
Its not about money from salvage, its from them truly enjoying griefing other players, and likely hoping so much some n00b in faction fit CNR agroes them (and gets CONCORDEKKEN).
And we all know that can swapping and ore stealing are also mainly done for hoping for victim to agro you.
So, could you all please go to new player start systems and return to placing cans named "free stuf for beginners" in front of stations.
What's stopping you?
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos a little english lesson
I studied english as a foreign language, and I made the effort to learn to spell it and to use it properly at the best of my possibilities. I see no reason why a _native_ speaker shouldn't reciprocate in kind.
Originally by: fuxinos and the beloved answer, ur wrong because ur wrong.
??? Did you actually read the post? The answer was: "you are wrong because the operative word here is "your". The destroyed "car" (ship) is NOT yours.".
Originally by: fuxinos maybe u try again and post somethingelse then bullshit?
Maybe you try again and actually read the post you are replying?
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:33:00 -
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Every time I see a cry about ninja salvaging, I feel that much more urge to start ninja salvaging again. Only thing that prevents me is that it's such a bloody bad income.
I believe CCP should fix so that loot inside wrecks belongs to everyone too. So that you loot your junk fast and not clutter space for so long, it would definitely lower the load on the servers and lag. And attacking an NPC should cause global criminal flagging, so that anyone can scan down a mission runner and shoot him at will. NPC:s should also pod by default. Then mission rewards could be increased a lot to compensate for the risk. At least in lvl 4 missions, lvl 3 and below could be left as they are to let the new players get up to speed.
That would make missions interesting and not just a mindless grind. EVE should encourage imagination and excitement. The most exciting thing about missions is that you risk getting your ship blown up when you fall asleep on your keyboard out of boredom (unless you're in a drone ship, then you can nap safely).
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Siania
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:13:00 -
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I cannot believe there is another thread about this!!
Ninja-salvagers are here to stay, its part of the big EVE sandbox.
IF you are unlucky enough to have someone scan out your mission and they start to salvage the mission, you have a few choices:
1. Warp out and see if the guy goes pop 2. Shoot your wrecks so he cant loot them
Ofc you can get yourself a second account and salavage it yourself or get a friend...
There are always options....just think outside the box...
Si
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Grods
Amarr 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Grods on 01/08/2008 13:48:49
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Lady Aja to stop *******s like me from shooting youre wrecks to **** you off lmao.
What you don't realize, is the amount of Corp chatter watching a Mission Runner shooting their potential revenue generates. Sure, we're flying around salvaging what we can, but when you start shooting the wrecks, I make sure to stick around until every single one of them is gone.
Then, I try and calculate how much ISK you just lost, and how much irritation you think you've caused me.
We'd actually appreciate it even more if, while blowing up the wrecks, you could state in local exactly how angry or frustrated you think we are... ...because that only makes us laugh louder.
Only slow missioners loot them anyway, so you can laugh all you want, they most likely were not going to be looted anyway.
Shooting a battleship with 1 million bounty takes about 15 seonds. Flying to get a salvager and then pick the wrecks takes minutes. Hmm.... would i just take the next mission for bunch of new ships to blow up for bounties or go get another ship to loot it all for few millions.. Do the math
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Grods Shooting a battleship with 1 million bounty takes about 15 seonds. Flying to get a salvager and then pick the wrecks takes minutes. Hmm.... would i just take the next mission for bunch of new ships to blow up for bounties or go get another ship to loot it all for few millions.. Do the math
I like to play against people, and not the game itself. If I wanted to play against a game, I'd go back to FPS games. As it is, there's little challenge in playing EvE for the Missions.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Architecture Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.
Snipping the waffle out
Nothing to fix, it isn't broken.
Think back to the days before salvage existed... it was implemented as a professions... and it is working fine.
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Luciver Sember
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Luciver Sember on 02/08/2008 14:06:18 Wanted to thank you all for making my 7:50 am browse through the forums enjoyable. Fell off the bloody bed laughing when I read it. My opinion. ITS A GAME! if someone was stealing your truck and dumping your cd's on the ground yeah I'd be fairly ****ed (and grateful they left the 120+ CD's I own and bought that aren't insured) but seen as you didnt pay $10k-$40k for a wreck you blew up or the ship you got popped in quit your whining grab yourself a baby soother and suck it up princess. You never paid a cent for the 1's and 0's in that wreck you paid to play the game....
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alisandent
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.02 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey ^Disagree. To be an effective ninja, you have lots of skills that are needed. Even a few Rank 5 and one Rank 8 skill.
Don't give me the low SP/basic ship requirement.
We have to train several long skills to be effective, and we spend almost as much on our ships as mish runners-the rigs for salvage and scan time, and the occasional full-aggro-by-NPC thing.
mission runners LOVE to warp out on me. It's cost me a lot already, and I have only been ninja salvaging for 3 days.
wrong. your talking to someone who used to be in suddenly ninjas, and FREQUENTLY helped out eve noobs. Just talk to Iasoni Greek. He was ninjaing salvage in no time, and he was new to eve. Now doing it EFFICIENTLY is another matter, but that was not the point of my post. ___________________________________
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.02 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: alisandent wrong. your talking to someone who used to be in suddenly ninjas, and FREQUENTLY helped out eve noobs...
...hence the sig.
I say you're both right. Scanning and salvaging go hand-in-hand for any true Ninja Salvager, and that means Astrometrics, Astrometric Pinpointing, Astrometric Triangulation, Signal Acquisiton, and Salvaging all to a minimum of IV.
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Kevin Darling
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Posted - 2008.08.02 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kevin Darling on 02/08/2008 19:06:31
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.08.02 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: alisandent
Originally by: JordanParey ^Disagree. To be an effective ninja, you have lots of skills that are needed. Even a few Rank 5 and one Rank 8 skill.
Don't give me the low SP/basic ship requirement.
We have to train several long skills to be effective, and we spend almost as much on our ships as mish runners-the rigs for salvage and scan time, and the occasional full-aggro-by-NPC thing.
mission runners LOVE to warp out on me. It's cost me a lot already, and I have only been ninja salvaging for 3 days.
wrong. your talking to someone who used to be in suddenly ninjas, and FREQUENTLY helped out eve noobs. Just talk to Iasoni Greek. He was ninjaing salvage in no time, and he was new to eve. Now doing it EFFICIENTLY is another matter, but that was not the point of my post.
...but what you quoted is about being effective. You say he's wrong, then go on to say that yes there is effort, if you want to be efficient. Isn't effective and efficient sort of the same thing? *confused*
Salvaging is like all things in eve: you can start doing it pretty fast, but you won't be any good at it until after a while/some effort. As it should be.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.02 20:21:00 -
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for some reason, pictures and sigs refuse to load up.
I have them enabled, too... =(
anyways, in response to teh "bloody bad income" reply, I made 13 million in ten minutes the other day, after I scanned down a full rack of t2 hammerheads, which happened to be surrounded by Caldari Navy Large Wrecks.
The tags alone netted me 8 million+..
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.03 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fuh****zle Edited by: Fuh****zle on 28/07/2008 18:08:02 You guys are arguing two different types of skills. It takes very little SP (comparatively) to salvage someones L4 mission, and quite alot of SP to effectively run L4s.
It takes very little actual skill to effectively run L4's, while it 'initially' takes some skill to salvage someone's L4 mission. But after figuring out how to do it, its just pretty stinking easy.
I do both. But it is far easier to run a L4 mission then it is to get a L4 mission runner to shoot at me in High Sec when I am looting and salvaging his wreaks.
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Letri Bimmet
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:15:00 -
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-Get out of the mission hubs. (or out of sinq laison)
-Don't look for the same agent types (intelligence and so on) all the time...other agent types have kill missions as well..(a bit less than usual tho)
-Ask a duddy to salvage for you
-Get a ALT to salvage for you
-At some point in time you'll improve on skills so much you won't need to salvage/loot cause it only takes time from killing.
-Get a drone ship (salvagers/tractors in highs ftw)
-Get a marauder
the possiblities are endless.
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