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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:23:00 -
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borat: stop posting already..apart from amusing us, you're not doing much good
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Borat Sangdiev
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz borat: stop posting already..apart from amusing us, you're not doing much good
NO U
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Why don't you go fly a caracal about it because you were too stupid to get a ship carrier jumped up from empire.
If you're just a troll, then congrats on the thread. If you are serious, then you're a ****in idiot.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 11/08/2008 20:20:47
Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Originally by: Grimpak how to neutralize a falcon?
simple: bring a rook or your own falcon
bingo!
and what's the problem with it?
it's not like a falcon is ****in' hard to train, nor it needs the billion isks that a pimped out vaga needs to reach the "ludicrious speed".
also, the falcon is not that much of a solo ship, nor is the rook (wich has the highest sensor str of all sub-capital ships). in fact, if you take away their ECM, they are no more than a cloaked tin-foiled cruiser and 5 bonussed missile launcher cruiser with assault resists, meaning: they can't do squat besides jamming.
so no, falcons don't need a nerf, unless you want to go back to the gank&tank days of the gemini client (wich is where I'm seeing this going).
cool, nano's didnt need a nerf then either, because a nano was the best counter for another nano.
/facepalm
I give up here. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Borat Sangdiev
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Foocurr
Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Why don't you go fly a caracal about it because you were too stupid to get a ship carrier jumped up from empire.
If you're just a troll, then congrats on the thread. If you are serious, then you're a ****in idiot.
im a serious idiot and i just nutted on your forehead.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:26:00 -
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Noob corp. Check
0 kills on battleclinic (I couldn't find any other killboard with him on it), check
1 death on battleclinic, check
Failsauce? Check check.
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Borat Sangdiev
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Noob corp. Check
0 kills on battleclinic (I couldn't find any other killboard with him on it), check
1 death on battleclinic, check
Failsauce? Check check.
my sec status is -4. you fail.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
my sec status is -4. you fail.
3 pods lowers it that much.
I'm reported every post you make with a... less than family friendly comment in it. Read your post above the one you quoted for further reference.
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Borat Sangdiev
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Borat Sangdiev Inappropriate language. ~Saint
reported..lets see if theyll ban you for that
lol wahh. /emowristslash
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Borat Sangdiev Inappropriate language. ~Saint
reported..lets see if theyll ban you for that
lol wahh. /emowristslash
why dont you troll some more about it? doesnt seem like you have any other daily activities.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:32:00 -
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Out of topic, but I love your "1v1?" Sig, Sok
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
Solution? Lower jam ranges of at least the falcon. That's it. Falcon can warp cloaked so it is a little unbalanced for it to be able to jam from so far. The rook would be unable to move quickly while cloaked and would be in much more a predicament, + the lock time a cloak provides would further balance it. Bringing a falcon closer would force shield extender fits + drop off jammers from the ship, making it a little less specialized and more in line with the other ships. So, my proposal.
Multispecs, with range rigs, should go to 65km. Racials, with range rigs, should go to 100km.
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WOW, an honest falcon pilot, like myself. Yes falcon definately needs less range as a starter. Especially with the nano nerf in mind. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Out of topic, but I love your "1v1?" Sig, Sok
thank you, if you want a good sig, go to Nova Z, she's really good :)
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Borat Sangdiev Post constructively. ~Saint
When you cant back up anything you say it time for the 12 year old insults!
Seriously wetrain, if you are still flying with this guy shoot him. My pvp ibis will be of more use than this guy, it at least has a point.
Why don't you go fly a caracal about it because you were too stupid to get a ship carrier jumped up from empire.
I got supplies whenever I could. But taking part in almost every fight ment I needed to use whatever I could get my hands on, even if that ment pimping out an ibis. Still my leeroy caracals managed to do some rather amazing things and apparently were good enough to remember me for.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
thank you, if you want a good sig, go to Nova Z, she's really good :)
I think she made mine, her name sounds familiar
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:37:00 -
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did borat get banned btw? he hasnt posted in a whopping 8 minutes now
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz did borat get banned btw? he hasnt posted in a whopping 8 minutes now
I've reported 3 of his posts so far
On topic: While I do think the falcon can be a little much at times, I've been in fights where I've missed 95% jam chance cycles 3 times in a row and died because of it. It's a double edged blade, tbh
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Jeetah
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:09:00 -
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my main is a minmatar pilot, and despite having the lowest sensor strength of all races, I'm much less concerned about falcons (or any form of ECM, for that matter) than amarr ships in general. ECCM's should get boosted though. |
Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:10:00 -
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ECM has its counter that everyone can use Its more a matter of choice.
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Herring
Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:36:00 -
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I don't think they should nerf falcons, tbh. They should however fix the bug that f.o.f. cruise has with the limited 80k range. It'd be nice to actually hit those falcons once in a while.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.08.12 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
2. Yes ofcourse rr BS need eccm for extra protection. You know exactly what my point is. Wich is that eccm is not fitted on anything else. You dont fit eccm on a bc, cruiser, hac, inty. The issue is still the same: The BEST counter against ecm is ECM ITSELF. That is what is wrong with it and you are utterly thick if you think otherwise.
Well I fit ECCM on BCs if I'm not soloing, generally it starts being worth fitting around sensor strength 15.
People generally do not understand what this module does, it doesnt necessarily helps you against being jammed, its main use is to make the falcon need more modules to sucessfully keep you out of the fight.
If he wants you jammed you'll be jammed, no way around this if a specialized ship is on you. But you can be sure he wont jam as many of your friends, this is why it is a good idea to have a good amount of eccm equipped ships in fleet.
In a fleet environment, double webs on my close-range fit hurricane are certainly not as useful as a single web and eccm are since webbers are plentiful usually.
Tip: stealth bomber sensors are usually pretty strong, a manticore with 1-2 eccm is really useful to annoy falcons in smaller skirmishes.
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DRMALIKIA
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.08.12 03:50:00 -
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FALCON & ROOK PILOT PERSPECTIVE:
I love the Falcon but really prefer the Rook (Rook has some teeth at least). For once, Caldari has something they are good at in a combat role that fits within the outline of the race. The Caldari race does everything at distance, long range, not in your face (except the occasional Torp Raven). The ranges you guys are talking about are only effective if you have a bookmark already setup, or have an Interceptor provide you a warp in point. Otherwise, any engagement I have ever been in has required me to warp to 100km just like he rest of the crew when attacking a target. Yes my range can extend all the way out to 193km but, the only time I have ever used that massive range is when I made bookmarks prior to the battle. Other then that every single engagement I have ever encountered was under 150km. Range is an illusion and I am forced to engage at a measly 100km putting me at risk just like everyone else. I am using my in game experience as an example and not all he "Hypothetical" garbage I gave up reading pages ago.
How am I countered in my Falcon/Rook? How do I counter other Falcons/Rooks? Want to counter a Falcon? FIT ECCM, period. Plenty of times I have been foiled by someone smart enough to actually use the ECCM modules as they were intended. I use ECCM myself just in case I come across another Falcon. Get under the Falcon's fall off distance and he is pretty much toast if he hasn't moved out already. Realize the time it takes to turn off a jammer on an active target, wait for it to cycle, and then lock and jam an incoming interceptor, you are probably already dead. You can get caught every time if you are not careful. Falcons are only as good as the enemies, tactics, and the pilots at the helm. With so many game mechanics against the Falcon pilots, I find many of these arguments nothing more then complaints like so many past NERFS. Anytime a race is effective at what it does, everyone starts turning the game into "Hello Kitty". I would rather see other races get buffed to equal distances if that is the issue, rather then NERFING one race.
No one Recon ship is better, unbalanced compared to another. All 4 recons grouped together are a potent and deadly force to "Reckon" with. If the game changes and you turn EWAR upside down again, no worries. I can still jam your arse's since 90% of engagements occur under the 150km envelope in my experience. I am sure fleet engagements are different and therefore boosting the other 3 races to be effective at longer ranges is preferred over reducing them all down to 100km-. The more you make ships similar the closer you become to playing "Hello Kitty Online". Try working with the valuable and effective ECM counters already provided to you by CCP.
EVE is a sand box for you to enjoy, not run around and cry because the kid next to you has a cool sand castle and you do not. If you do not like the kids sand castle, build a better one or kick his down. Last time I checked, crying did nothing more then show who are the bed wetters in the sandbox. I digress.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.08.12 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 A cruise missile is just as deadly from a SB as a battleship.
Often it's deadlier - it after all has the explosion radius of a frigate missile.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Tip: stealth bomber sensors are usually pretty strong, a manticore with 1-2 eccm is really useful to annoy falcons in smaller skirmishes.
Tip 1: Falcons can easily jam from 200+km distance
Tip 2: WTB SB that can eccm and fire a cruise 200+km
Tip 3: You fail ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Sniper Kalahari
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Tip: stealth bomber sensors are usually pretty strong, a manticore with 1-2 eccm is really useful to annoy falcons in smaller skirmishes.
Tip 1: Falcons can easily jam from 200+km distance
Tip 2: WTB SB that can eccm and fire a cruise 200+km
Tip 3: You fail
Lol. Get back to EFT. You have no clue.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Kalahari
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Tip: stealth bomber sensors are usually pretty strong, a manticore with 1-2 eccm is really useful to annoy falcons in smaller skirmishes.
Tip 1: Falcons can easily jam from 200+km distance
Tip 2: WTB SB that can eccm and fire a cruise 200+km
Tip 3: You fail
Lol. Get back to EFT. You have no clue.
It is actually you lot that should get back to eft. You are clueless if you think a falcon is not the best protection against falcons. Seriously I'd like to meet a fail fleet you lot seem to be flying with all these worthless theory crafted counters that don't actually work in real fights. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Sniper Kalahari
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer It is actually you lot that should get back to eft. You are clueless if you think a falcon is not the best protection against falcons. Seriously I'd like to meet a fail fleet you lot seem to be flying with all these worthless theory crafted counters that don't actually work in real fights.
Lol the rage is strong in this one.
Theres a bunch of stuff (all done to death on this post) which allows people to either scare the falcon off, nullify its effectiveness or destroy it. Get a grip....
No matter what BS your spawning in this thread, the best and most simple method of *nullifying* the falcon is by fitting ECCM - its hugely effective. Either the falcon gives up and shifts target or they put all jammers on that one target to attempt to jam, thereby reducing its effectiveness massively.
As your BS range arguments, the vast vast majority of engagements in eve are around stations or gates. This coupled with a maximum warp to of 100k means that ppl out at 200 are few and far between; and if the guy has prepared in advance with tactical instas, then he deserves to win! he put the effort in to shape the battlefield, more power to him.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:11:00 -
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It's really sad to see people time and time again denying the fact that ECCM's actually work. They do, and they reduce jam chances to 50% of what they were. No single other mod in-game offers that sort of combat advantage.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz It's really sad to see people time and time again denying the fact that ECCM's actually work. They do, and they reduce jam chances to 50% of what they were. No single other mod in-game offers that sort of combat advantage.
Why would I fit eccm on ALL my ships when I can get ONE falcon pilot with caldari jammers to nullifi several other falcons? THAT is really sad to see, that people are denying that fact. Really. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Sokratesz It's really sad to see people time and time again denying the fact that ECCM's actually work. They do, and they reduce jam chances to 50% of what they were. No single other mod in-game offers that sort of combat advantage.
Why would I fit eccm on ALL my ships when I can get ONE falcon pilot with caldari jammers to nullifi several other falcons? THAT is really sad to see, that people are denying that fact. Really.
I'm not denying that. I'm merely saying that spending alot less ISK and alot less effort will net you similar results.
And a falcon has a pretty darn high sensor strength to begin with..(28pts), so unless you get veyr lucky you won't be 'shutting down' more than one of them unless you're loaded on racial jammers.
Stop trolling and turning everything personal.
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