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TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:56:00 -
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As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.
Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game. Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.
NO MINERS
Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever. And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand. Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play. And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock. Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID? Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game. Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game. And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine. Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick. Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery. Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.
This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,
The base of the Eve economy is vanishing. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1945
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:06:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.
Mining isn't the base of the Eve economy.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
634
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:12:00 -
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A sad story. When I started playing in 2008 there seemed to be many more players in young corps on joint hisec mining ops etc. Maybe I just don't hang around in those systems any more so don't I see it? EVE needs more fresh players and more depth to non space combat gameplay - and more people filling those niches.
Youtube link is broken btw. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
161
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:16:00 -
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i also miss the bots |
TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:17:00 -
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Link is repaired.
Isk faucet known as incursions and no miners added together equals runaway inflation.
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Dyniss
Argent Uprising
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:22:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:Link is repaired.
Isk faucet known as incursions and no miners added together equals runaway inflation.
You know incursions are not the largest isk faucet bountys are |
TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
20
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:25:00 -
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Dyniss wrote:TravisWB wrote:Link is repaired.
Isk faucet known as incursions and no miners added together equals runaway inflation.
You know incursions are not the largest isk faucet bountys are
60 mil isk in 20 minutes is not an isk faucet? |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
178
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:35:00 -
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I sold my Mackinaw. It won't be replaced.
The Hulk had rigs or it would be in Jita as well. It might end up there yet if I decide I can use the 200 mill elsewhere. |
Dyniss
Argent Uprising
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:37:00 -
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60mil isk is the best situation not everyone is constantly running sites have you factored things like fleets competing? Or trying to get a fleet started? Only the truly bling bling players will burn through sites the rest are milling around trying to get into a fleet. Also no assault or headquarter fleet will complete a site in 20 minutes this is not even factoring in things like trying to build a fleet which for a HQ or AS site will take awhile |
Dyniss
Argent Uprising
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:41:00 -
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Mining is still very worthwhile as getting ships through mining and industry is way cheaper the just outright buying them |
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Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:49:00 -
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Suicide ganking will go out of fashion soon enough. |
Cipher Jones
363
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:51:00 -
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miners are scum
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
120
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:53:00 -
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I keep hoping that less people mining means the EVE community as a whole is getting smarter. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
475
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:miners are scum
You're a dumbass. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
475
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:22:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:I keep hoping that less people mining means the EVE community as a whole is getting smarter.
And you're a dumbass too. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
134
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:31:00 -
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Weren't people just flipping **** about Trit hitting 5 a unit? Now miners are scum and the less the better? I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
963
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:32:00 -
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OP may have a point.
I see less WTBs in the character bazaar for miners of late. Same thing happened after the last bot purge but picked up again as the botters adapted. This time it's not picking up again.
Might be just a blip. I'd need a longer time to see the trend, but it may be that people are finally getting tired of it and moving on to another game. Or not. Time will tell.
Worth keeping an eye on, though. If mineral prices keep going up I'll have to jump in a belt myself so as not to lose money on my build costs.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
14
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:16:00 -
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Eve has miners? No but, seriously. |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
35
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:44:00 -
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Perhaps not many new players are joining the game? Cause there are things much more profitable than mining, but they aren't as easy. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:57:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:Perhaps not many new players are joining the game? Cause there are things much more profitable than mining, but they aren't as easy.
Not sure if serious or just woefully misinformed about everything but mining. |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
358
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Posted - 2012.03.20 08:09:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock. Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?.
Possibly th emost stupid thing I have seen on the Eve-Os for a very long time. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
364
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:27:00 -
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The whole suicide gank thing has gotten out of hand, more often I am encountering less than year old players who've gotten hit one too many times and are ready to quit.
Bump barges, indies, freighters and Orca HP by two to three times and it will put an end to a lot of this. If there needs to be a cost balance for that, bump build requirements by two to three times as well. It still leaves space plenty dangerous, still plenty of aggro games people can play with cans and wrecks, lame use of neut RR and cheesy Orca docking bay games.
The scam situation is not much better. |
Sevena Black
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:00:00 -
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Miners are indeed an endangered species. I also believe the reason is the suicide ganking as already mentioned.
The most defensible barge out there is an exhumer by the name "Hulk". I've lost 2 of them to a 7 man destroyer gang. Nothing I could do. I saved a third by warping in time by sheer luck of already being aligned. Since I dont mass mine with all three but actually lost them 1 at a time I also stopped mining. If I cant do anything while at my keyboard looking at my screen, then I'm moving on to other income methods.
Any barge but a hulk isnt even worth buying imho. They'll die even faster.
I havent really mined outside barges except for the Osprey. In the old days people would mine in Abbadons or Rokhs. Maybe they're a more viable optiuon these days and ages?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
377
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:TravisWB wrote:The base of the Eve economy is vanishing. Mining isn't the base of the Eve economy.
The New Player Tutorial quite clearly states IN PRINT that "Mining is the Backbone of EVE and its Economy". OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
377
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:22:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:miners are scum
Then lick us clean with your voluptuous tongue. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:23:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:Link is repaired.
Isk faucet known as incursions and no miners added together equals runaway inflation.
Your eyes, my sig To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:24:00 -
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As someone whom has been suicide ganking Ice Miners lately I can tell you, you are extremely nieve if you really think there are no botters in high sec. The ice belts are littered with bots.
When I can go up to a "miner" sitting next to an Orca bump him all over the place, target him, try to convo but always get the same message "you are not allowed to convo "random bot name" get no response to anything even in local. Meanwhile at the same time I'm cargo scaning his hull and watching the Ice being move to the Orca.
Come back and gank him, watch his pod warp off to the station while the other 2 or 3 Macks + the Orca stay in the belt waiting for their turn to be ganked. No, of course it's a legit player than can manage to warp his pod to the station & empty his cargo to his Orca while being AFK..
While suicide ganking of "Miners" is IMO a problem, that is not what killed the Mining profession making it a worthless past time. Bots did that long before because CCP let them run rampant.
IMO it kinda sucks that real miners don't really have a defense to ganking, but with out the ganking there would be even more bots in this game.
CCP needs to do more about the botting issue and then change up the Mining profession and add some ships that are more capable of defending them selves but perhaps mine a lower yield or something. I've always thought CCP missed the boat with the T3 cruisers and industry roles.
CCP could do things like add new sub system that can only be bought from ORE LP store that turn T3's into heavily tanked & covert Mining Barges with some sort of done bonus for defense. In trade they so be required to manually adjust things somehow while mining in order to weed the bots out from using the ships.
This way real players have an alternative and a ability to continue to mine and have a ship that would be capable of going into low sec to ninja mine but also better suited to avoid high sec ganks.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
358
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:25:00 -
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Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.
I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?
Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.
It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...
Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
270
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:30:00 -
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TravisWB wrote: And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock. Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
You're talking out of your arse, try harder next time. There are bots in high sec and have been for a long time. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Vito Antonio
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:34:00 -
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Ganking is certainly a problem, but it isn't the most important one that hurts miners.
1. Bots. 2. Drone alloys. 3. Then comes ganking.
Drone alloys are getting removed(reduced?) so its a start, although botters arent going anywhere. So I wouldn't bother with mining. Run incursions and enjoy the flow of isk in your wallet. |
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