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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:46:00 -
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At the beginning of FW everyone asked for a killboard, someone created one for our caldari faction, and everyone started to use it. It wasn't 100% precise, since not everyone posted his kill- and lossmails, but it was a good indication on what is going on, a nice overview of recent battles and battle reports.
But it is down now for hours. Noone seems to know if this is temorary or if it's away for ever because the person who was running it lost interest / didn't want to pay for it anymore. It's quite a mess now, people are posting their kills on diffrent killboards, we lost the overview. This once again proves that we'd really need an official killboard and that it is a chaos to use the several private ones for a ncp corp/militia, it just doesn't work the same way as when we were a player corp/alliance (with the api forward feature).
Can we pleeeeeease get an official FW killboard ?
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:54:00 -
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Sounds to me like FW just hasnt been properly implemented or decently thought through. CCP create some spin around ur RvR!
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:56:00 -
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I've never understood what the obsession with killboards was anyway. But then again, I don't PvP to gain rank or points. I prefer PvP with a goal, defending systems, attacking positions, hunting war targets.
But a lot of PvP in video games is all about ranks and standings. I just don't see the point. It proves little, because of the individual situations, outcomes, and events. And to top it off, it contributes to e-peen, which is a disease that infects the mind and leads to stupid posts and stupider replies.
I know that the militia's have their own statistics. Why is that not enough? Honest question, not sarcasm or half-hidden insult.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:00:00 -
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I dunno, why do some ppl take a nut-dip on their icecream, while others take a chocolate dip or just plain vanilla? Who cares, as long as you can have what you would like. You don't go selling icecream when all u offer is vanilla. When you can anticipate some will like the cherry on top, stock on the bloody cherries.
I personally cudn't care less. Just think CCP is handling its introduction of FW poorly.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze I've never understood what the obsession with killboards was anyway. But then again, I don't PvP to gain rank or points. I prefer PvP with a goal, defending systems, attacking positions, hunting war targets.
But a lot of PvP in video games is all about ranks and standings. I just don't see the point. It proves little, because of the individual situations, outcomes, and events. And to top it off, it contributes to e-peen, which is a disease that infects the mind and leads to stupid posts and stupider replies.
I know that the militia's have their own statistics. Why is that not enough? Honest question, not sarcasm or half-hidden insult.
That's ok, if you don't like it, don't use it, very simple. Just dont't even have a look on it. But apparently there are many people who love it. And when i see like everyone asks to post the mail of a juicy target we just killed, it tells me that most people who do pvp love killboards.
And you fail if you think it's all about epeen. It's an intel tool, it shows what fittings the enemy usually uses, what pilots are the most active ones, where major battles happen and what the outcome is (the battle summery feature) and much more. And of corse some people like to be on top of the "most kills"/"most damage done" list, there's nothing wrong about it. The statistics you mentioned are quite useless, since they count an ibis or pod kill the same as a battelship or carrier kill.
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:14:00 -
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Yakia, this stacks with the mention of the fact that there's no dedicated forum section for FW either. Besides mentioning this here, you should make a proposal in the Assembly Hall for CSMs too.
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Shagrath Neptune
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze I've never understood what the obsession with killboards was anyway. But then again, I don't PvP to gain rank or points. I prefer PvP with a goal, defending systems, attacking positions, hunting war targets.
But a lot of PvP in video games is all about ranks and standings. I just don't see the point. It proves little, because of the individual situations, outcomes, and events. And to top it off, it contributes to e-peen, which is a disease that infects the mind and leads to stupid posts and stupider replies.
I know that the militia's have their own statistics. Why is that not enough? Honest question, not sarcasm or half-hidden insult.
Personally, I like the KBs. People like seeing their accomplishments being flashed across the screen and a KB does that. Destroying a ship is an accomplishment in this game. If you want to consider that "a disease" then whatever floats your boat.
Furthermore, KBs are a good source of information. It is a good way of measuring which pilots and corps are most active and a chance to see how the enemy fits their ships and what their corps like to fly. KBs have a lot of uses.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arodi Yakia, this stacks with the mention of the fact that there's no dedicated forum section for FW either. Besides mentioning this here, you should make a proposal in the Assembly Hall for CSMs too.
Sorry m8, didn't notice the stacking penalty
Let's not see it as a proposal then but as a discussion on whether there should be a FW KB or not.
I think KBs are an important tool for a war, be it for intel/info, morale boost or as propaganda tool. The idea is not new, they had killboards already in World War I. Some people might still know the famous WWI pilot Manfred von Richthofen, known as "The Red Baron". He was officially credited with 80 confirmed air combat victories (wikipedia). This guy would have never become a legend if they didn't have killboards, i don't understand why people think killboards are something invented by internet computer games for epeen purpose. It can be a very usefull tool in many respects, if you know how to use it properly, it's not hard to create/maintain (wouldn't require much manhours/resources from CCP) and would be defenitely a welcomed addition to the pvp aspect of FW. It's a pity that we don't get one.
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shagrath Neptune
Originally by: Ruze I've never understood what the obsession with killboards was anyway. But then again, I don't PvP to gain rank or points. I prefer PvP with a goal, defending systems, attacking positions, hunting war targets.
But a lot of PvP in video games is all about ranks and standings. I just don't see the point. It proves little, because of the individual situations, outcomes, and events. And to top it off, it contributes to e-peen, which is a disease that infects the mind and leads to stupid posts and stupider replies.
I know that the militia's have their own statistics. Why is that not enough? Honest question, not sarcasm or half-hidden insult.
Personally, I like the KBs. People like seeing their accomplishments being flashed across the screen and a KB does that. Destroying a ship is an accomplishment in this game. If you want to consider that "a disease" then whatever floats your boat.
Furthermore, KBs are a good source of information. It is a good way of measuring which pilots and corps are most active and a chance to see how the enemy fits their ships and what their corps like to fly. KBs have a lot of uses.
Fully agreed there
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Some people might still know the famous WWI pilot Manfred von Richthofen, known as "The Red Baron". He was officially credited with 80 confirmed air combat victories (wikipedia). This guy would have never become a legend if they didn't have killboards, i don't understand why people think killboards are something invented by internet computer games for epeen purpose.
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:20:00 -
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you already have a forum section
it called CAOD but i wouldn't advise you go there......the troll are there but they hunt in packs =)
o7 good luck
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:50:00 -
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The reason I encourage posting kills/losses is because ATM only the final blow gets the killmail.
The Combat Log is pretty useless when it shows all your losses, but only the kills you got final blow on.
If we had no killmails/combat log, or had one which recorded all our kills/losses, I wouldn't have much interest in killboards. -
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: GallenteCitizen20080615 you already have a forum section
it called CAOD but i wouldn't advise you go there......the troll are there but they hunt in packs =)
o7 good luck
This. And for that it's already been beaten dead. Which is only my observation. Im not even into FW myself, so not even speaking on behalf of myself. It just annoys me to see another devteam fail at implementing proper RvR / NvN. Pirates of the Burning Sea has a nice concept of RvR, but low populations in the different faction are causing it to die. Then you have WAR which has good RvR and pvp right from the start, from what I hear, but I refuse to enter a world with elves n dwarfs. So just hope for CCP to do their stuff rite.
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Sir Scorpion
Black Banners
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:04:00 -
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Offcial CCP Kill Board will be Moswm
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MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: MobyMule on 01/08/2008 15:29:24 Everyone should post FW killmails to Battleclinic imho. That way everyone can go to a single source for their km's to put elsewhere.
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:52:00 -
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Ow I guess BC would work just as well. As long as they create a section here
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SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:48:00 -
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Tell us more about what you want. MrCue and I might be able to re-jigger the antimatter converters and cross-patch the matter streams to create a conjunctive resolution that forms a cascading flow of pixels.
Seriously. What would you like to see? (Besides a better layout for the BC killboards. Yeah. We know. They look like ass. We're workin' on it. Try eve-kb.com which uses the same database.)
Side Note: We've seen a large spike of new Griefwatch boards since FW -- especially corporation boards. We're seeing FW really increase the desire of pilots to track their stats. Watch for new features!
We're also working on a cool new feature to help corps communicate what they want their pilots to bring to the fight. Stay tuned. |
Steve Celeste
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba the person who was running it lost interest / didn't want to pay for it anymore.
That person would be: Boromor
He joined Taco's revolution, a corp that isn't even in FW anymore. I don't really know what else is going on since i had to leave FW. The lag made it unplayable, sucks when your FC calls targets that wont even load for you.
Too bad the board is down, feels like being stripped of a decoration. |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arodi I dunno, why do some ppl take a nut-dip on their icecream, while others take a chocolate dip or just plain vanilla? Who cares, as long as you can have what you would like. You don't go selling icecream when all u offer is vanilla. When you can anticipate some will like the cherry on top, stock on the bloody cherries.
I personally cudn't care less. Just think CCP is handling its introduction of FW poorly.
hahahah, right on the money with that. Seriously if people don't care about KBs or nutdips,cherries or blondes vs redheads, why bother posting in a thread about it?
they always come off sounding like paris hilton going "i dont get it". Just like here, its a waste of space.
As for an official FW KB, when I posted about it a while back it got nothing but whines. Morons thought it would be impossible to delay the release of certain information a few hours. "no free intel!!" is what the slack jawed morons were crying about, as though they don't have tons of spies, the ability to plant a covert op or check out unofficial KBs. I guess they think other methods of getting information is as fast as sending it via carrier pigeon. Then again i think the pigeon would outsmart those people.
Will CCP put in an official KB? Not likely, at least not for 3 or more months if ever.
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.02 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: SghnDubh Tell us more about what you want.
Well, what would seem logic to me is that you'd have 4 KBs, one for each faction, that incorporates the militia corps and the player corps that signed up for FW. I personally wouldn't care about styling or interface much. And perhaps the OP and ppl supporting the idea of a FW KB would like to address some more suggestions to BattleClinic.
Originally by: Steve Celeste Too bad the board is down, feels like being stripped of a decoration.
This, it should have a sense of decorum, I guess.
Originally by: ShardowRhino Will CCP put in an official KB? Not likely, at least not for 3 or more months if ever.
N that puts a lil more urge on BC to jump on it. You wud seem like the designated party to create a lasting facility on this part.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:37:00 -
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Everyone i know just uses battleclinic, at we matari do.
*cough* AWWRIIITE!
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.02 20:08:00 -
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The Caldari have decided to just post our kills on the Gallente board and on caldari-state.com for the moment. I guess caldari-state will become the default and we'll cross our fingers that they don't disappear as well.
I don't like Battleclinic KB. Everything is too damn big and just plain goofy looking. Griefwatch just makes my eyes bleed. Looks like something an HTML script kiddie threw together 10 yrs ago.
It would really be nice if CCP would host an official FW board, updated during downtime so as not to be used as a realtime intel tool. Failing that, sending a copy of the mail to everybody involved after downtime, whether or not they got the final blow, would be very nice.
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Burukt Vri'ra
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.02 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Everyone i know just uses battleclinic, at we matari do.
*cough* AWWRIIITE!
You sunk my CEO! That's odd.. I'd think my latest loss would be under your name, as you popped me about the same time I popped you.
As for my little hole-in-the-wall corp, we use KBs purely to see how we're doing as a corp. I may have to suggest to Dake that we switch to BC. ----------------- I have a cargo space fetish. I like the echo. |
Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.08.02 21:53:00 -
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There were two Caldari State Killboards created.
The first was caldaristate.com who's creator has long ago resigned from Caldari Factional Warfare.
The second kb.caldari-state.com was created two weeks after the first and think is being hosted by Tank CEO.
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Arodi
Caldari 0rdo Batavi
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:57:00 -
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Do Amarr have anything going for them? And wudnt it be a lot more practical if CCP indeed handled this during DT as suggested?
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Zaskarr
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:14:00 -
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Amarr has this kb, but it's messed up a bit. __________________ How do I shot web?
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