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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:36:00 -
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TL:DR-rant, don't bother...
Ok I get it...the rules of engagement concerning flagging, CONCORD, sentries, jetcans, high-sec, low-sec: all extremely confusion for newbies and stupid players. Even bittervets are sometimes still confused about the specifics.
So I understand that CCP want's to protect the new players blundering around empire trying to shoot stations. And when you get a pop-up in your face with a 'do-not-show-again' check on the bottom, nobody reads it and smacks Enter. All very Darwinian and EVE-like in my opinion.
But CCP's hormones kicked in lately and now they transformed into this mother-hen smothering her chicks with motherly advice and tutorials, never realizing what a bloody menace it can be if they bury us with pop-ups, sneakily changing them to prevent mindless skipping.
There are probably not many people sympathizing with suicide-gankers or gate-campers missing they quarry while having to click through the notice. But yesterday my Incursion fleet was killing the Sansha Mothership in low-sec Notoras, when some neutral snuck into the site. Maybe he was just peeking, maybe he was going to try and ninja the mothership's loot. The (excellent) FC had outstanding orders only to lock-up neutrals, unless provoked, but someone shot him anyway (the pilot claims lag, his drones engaging or whatever).
Mind you this was not some ill-organised random fleet group flailing away in fail-fitted drakes at some high-sec Vanguard. We we're popping a low-sec mom on the doorstep of Tama! Yeah baby! And the whole point of low-sec is being able to defend your **** without CONCORD sticking their nose in your business, right? Well if you count out EVE's bloody pop-ups. Those nearly fail-cascaded into the fleet actually losing their ****.
Because when that pilot shot the neutral, one of the Basilisks must still have had a shield transfer on him and he then immediately got the 'aiding-agression' warning. And because of the cap-chain, suddenly all the other Basilisks were having to click through a whole ******* stack of them as well. And these then spread onto the Scimitars as well when they started to rep the Basilisks that were getting shot. So in short: one pilots shoots a potential ninja-looter or scout and suddenly all the logistics in the fleet are desperately clicking through a whole bunch of bloody pop-ups blocking the screen and all actions
When we entered 0.4, I got the warning there and I actually thought of checking the menu to see if I could turn them all off, but apparently this is STILL not possible.
I think it speaks to the skill and discipline of my fellow logi-pilots (I freaked out, miss-clicked and managed to clear my b/c history ) that we managed keep our losses in the following chaos minimal with only two destroyed Basilisks. And thanking to the fact that were pretty heavy on logistics in the first place we didn't lose anything ShinyGäó (though some came close). If this would have happened after a bomber-run, or we were hit by an MOM-ECM on top of it, we would have lost a LOT more, and then this post would have been a much longer rant.
As an added bonus, all logistic pilots now also had a GCC-flag, stuck on 15 minutes until we finally popped the mom (sadly only a Phantasm bpc, Heavy Nos and some hardener). After that all us 'WoW-priests', had to wait out our GCC-flags docked in a station, with the FC and some other pilots chaperoning us back into empire
PS: I have no confirmation, but I heard that the neutral 'trespasser' was a Goon, living up it's well-deserved reputation to cause mayhem. If proven true, I sayeth: "Well played, my good sir, I tip my hat to thee."
PPS: That whole field-trip, popping a low-sec mom, took well over two hours to finish, having already saved time by merging two pre-existing HQ-fleets into a MOM-fleet. So that boils down to a mere 45M ISK/hour while taking a LOT of risk and cooperation. Whatever is causing the talked-to-death inflation, it's surely isn't low-sec HQ Incursions.
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TL:DR : Come on CCP! There is a VERY good reason why we want to be able to simply shut off those aggression warnings! Those 'you-can't-click-anything-but-me' pop-ups tend to come at the worst possible times!
Fine! Be like an overbearing mommy and and drown the newbies with your stern advice or every time somebody reinstalls, clears their cache or whatever. But at LEAST allow me to shut the bloody things down with a meditated decision from the esc-menu.
I've played this game for over eight years, mother! I'll admit I still occasionally do stupid things. but if I want to drink beer and and shoot stargates, it's my own decision! And I don't need you yapping in my ear for every... single... thing! http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:49:00 -
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tl;dr: Too many "are you sure?" popups, some with no way to shut them off. Please to be fixing this CCP!
+1
If you're reading my sig you cannot claim ignorance, only stupidity or apathy, if you don't go VOTE now for CSM7. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
208
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:55:00 -
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Yes. +1 for my suicide alt.
High-sec Mandatory pop-ups ruin my ganking sprees, especially now that they default to 'No' instead of 'Yes'.
Remove the redundancies (ie, Being asked Are you SURE you want a GCC? when you are already under GCC!) or give them a checkbox like in lowsec....
Thanks. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:56:00 -
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A few of the pop up should be maditory unless they seriously change the interface. Some stuff is too easy to miss-click and the results can be expensive - the end result being angry customers.
A good case can be made about revamping the interface more. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
364
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Posted - 2012.03.20 12:58:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: I've played this game for over eight years, mother!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:06:00 -
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GǪand while we're at it , nuke the external link warning on the forums. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:18:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:A few of the pop up should be maditory unless they seriously change the interface. Some stuff is too easy to miss-click and the results can be expensive - the end result being angry customers. For that reason a following "[_] Do not ask me again." should be enough. Those, wo still want being warned because of nervous fingers, avoid to activate it. All others, who activate it, say "i know, and don't remind me again - i choose to take the risk from now on on my own responsibility".
Tippia wrote:GǪand while we're at it , nuke the external link warning on the forums. hm .. that *could* be due to legal reasons. Who knows ... |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
163
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:12:00 -
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Warnings while already in low-sec? Daft.
The only warning I expect to see in low-sec would be upon initial jump into 0.0:
WARNING: The system you are jumping into is 0.0 or lower security status. Here be bubbles, bombs and other monsters! [_] Do not show this warning again
Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
86
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand while we're at it , nuke the external link warning on the forums.
Remember Audrey Brittany and her WII Controller? There was a very good reason for this external link warning thing.....
Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5702
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:34:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Remember Audrey Brittany and her WII Controller? There was a very good reason for this external link warning thing..... Idiots will be idiots regardless of warnings and anyone who followed those links back then would follow them now as well. Those threads were solved by the post timer.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
613
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:39:00 -
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Just to warn you, I think that is hilarious.
But, I agree. Most of those warnings shouldn't matter, you are in lowsec, you should expect such things. CCP should make them much less annoying and less intrusive when in low. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:41:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand while we're at it , nuke the external link warning on the forums. Remember Audrey Brittany and her WII Controller? There was a very good reason for this external link warning thing.....
What happened? Drive by download of keyloggers? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5702
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:46:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:What happened? Drive by download of keyloggers? Pretty much.
The larger nuisance was the continuous spam of new threads and posts, though GÇö a new one every minute or so, clogging up the forums something fierce (but then, I would say that, since that was the only way it affected meGǪ ) GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:01:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:But, I agree. Most of those warnings shouldn't matter, you are in lowsec, you should expect such things. CCP should make them much less annoying and less intrusive when in low. CCP should make them less annoying and less intrusive everywhere. Multiple confirmation dialogues are terrible interface design. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
686
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:06:00 -
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-1 for useless rant, +1 for good idea.
... eh, screw it, +1 for actually being literate and using real English.
Verdict: +1! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
16
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:28:00 -
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I lol'd... |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
39
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:48:00 -
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+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Grumpy Owly
351
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:30:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:A few of the pop up should be maditory unless they seriously change the interface. Some stuff is too easy to miss-click and the results can be expensive - the end result being angry customers.
A good case can be made about revamping the interface more.
The majority of "dont see again" checkbox type entries associated with pop-ups go into the
settings menu > Reset settings > Reset Supress Message settings.
As such this then allows the opportunity to revive them to live duty at your discretion.
I can't see an argument against why these kinds of messages can't be made optional. As they are only encumbant to experienced pilots who don't need to use them after a time and their meaning becomes redundant or annoying.
If any of these popups are viewed to effect gameplay mechanics as a substantative reason, then surely it would be better to argue the effectiveness of the actually piloting mechanic IG and making adjustments in direct correlation with that activity or function. Penalising pilots with UI annoyances is neither helpfull to gameplay, funsics or realism and only leaves a view that CCP have a cumbersome interface for certain events.
So, +1 for optional pilot use of popup related checkboxes and ability to re-instate them as needs in the setup. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
108
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:44:00 -
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There's a warning for everything except where I might actually want to see one - when I'm about to failjump into highsec. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1437
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:54:00 -
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You have my post. These popups are annoying as hell when you don't actually need them.
Hell, i KNOW i want to blast that pod to bits... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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