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voetius Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:43:00 - [1] I have been using a cruise raven for level 4 missions - I know that makes me one of the cattle - but I plan to switch training to something more interesting in a few months time. In the meantime I've worked out my priorities for training and come up with the following list - sorted by highest priority first. Apart from Cruise Missiles IV and Caldari Battleship IV, most of these skills should help me whatever path I decide to take in EVE. I am 4 months coming up to 5, have almost 5 mill skillpoints, have a full set of +4 implants and all learning and advanced learning skills are at IV. I have Drones V btw. Tactical Shield Manipulation IV (t2 hardeners) - currently training Shield Compensation IV Shield Emission Systems IV Signature Analysis IV Scout Drones IV (t2 drones) Combat Drones IV Mechanic IV Cruise Missiles IV Caldari Battleship IV Target Navigation Prediction IV Rapid Launch IV Targetting IV Guided Missile Precision IV Warhead Upgrades IV Weapon Upgrades IV (need V for AWU) Shield Operation V Engineering V Energy Systems Operation V Military Connections IV Survey IV Evasive Maneuvring IV Energy Emission Systems V Energy Management V Shield Management V that's about 3 months worth, I don't want to look tbh :) I'd appreciate any comments about the order, like if you think Shield Management V should be a high priority and Rapid Launch should be low, etc. A very brief idea of why would be useful as well. I can't post at work but will reply later today. thanks
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.04 07:57:00 - [2] In my opinion, move the cap related skills to near the top. (around shield compensation should be good). get them to at least 4 there, then 5 when you want. move engineering 5 to the VERY top (like, switch training now top). Everything else looks good (a few skills i would recommend taking it 5, but whatever)
Eina Shadowlancer Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Eina Shadowlancer on 04/08/2008 08:54:35 Originally by: Lance Fighter In my opinion, move the cap related skills to near the top. (around shield compensation should be good). get them to at least 4 there, then 5 when you want. move engineering 5 to the VERY top (like, switch training now top). Everything else looks good (a few skills i would recommend taking it 5, but whatever) And move advanced weapon upgrades a bit northward too, since it reduces both CPU and PG usage. err. I fail, Shield compensation != EM Shield compensation etc.
voetius Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.04 17:47:00 - [4] Lance - you must be psychic - yes I have problems mananging cap if I get a lot of aggro in missions, so I'll get Engineering to the top and cap related skills after. Eina - I should have said that I have some shield compensation skills apart from Shield Compensation itself - most at 3 - including EM Shield Compensation. thanks both for your comments.
Souldigger	Posted - 2008.08.04 18:54:00 - [5] Edited by: Souldigger on 04/08/2008 18:54:40 You might want to add these Missile Launcher skills to your list if you've not lvld them already that is: - Missile Bombardment IV Missile Projection IV I would also priortise the Engineering skills. Finally dont forget to train the Shield Compensation skills for further resistance (Kin, Therm, Exp and Em) IV
voetius Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:00:00 - [6] Edited by: voetius on 04/08/2008 22:01:16 hi Souldigger: Missile Bombardment IV Missile Projection IV I have Missile Bombardment IV but only 3 in projection - will add to the list - ty Edit : I have 740k in missile skills
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:17:00 - [7] besides the advice others have already said, I'd take a look as well into T2-ing your missile skills down the line. Add them to the bottom. -
Dust Rocket	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Souldigger Finally dont forget to train the Shield Compensation skills for further resistance (Kin, Therm, Exp and Em) IV Wrong, those skills help only passive hardeners or active ones if they are turned off. Raven is not passive tanker ans all u need is t2 hardeners. So dont train em comp. skills. Best of Luck DR
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.08.07 20:04:00 - [9] Originally by: voetius I am 4 months coming up to 5, have almost 5 mill skillpoints, have a full set of +4 implants and all learning and advanced learning skills are at IV. I have Drones V btw. Why so low SP? Did you take a break? I'm just under 7mo with 11m SP. I agree with the posters above me about moving basic fitting and cap skills up your list, though. And don't train the individual damagetype compensation skills unless you need them for a very specific fit for PVP. Shields don't have a passive "EANM" module like armor does.
voetius Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:59:00 - [10] well Petyr - I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. First couple of weeks I trained learning up to 3 or 4 (can't remember) and as soon as I has the ISKies I trained the advanced learning skills to 4 then I bumped my implants up to 3 as fast as poss. and now have +4 should I be going for +5? I looked at the different skill training plans that are to be found in the forums and sure I can train skills faster if I get my learning skills up to 5 but the payback time is in the order of 200 - 300 days just for learning 5. So - if I knew when I started what I do now I could have gone faster by getting better implants faster - but otherwise I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2008.08.08 02:02:00 - [11] I'm not sure what you are planning to train for further, but why do you have Shield Emission Systems and Energy Emission Systems on the plan? I got no clue regarding Shield Emission unless it's for transfering shield and Energy is for cap transfering and NOS afaik. None seem useful for a missions. Otherwise the list looks nice, but as Lance said I'd prolly go for cap related skills first :)
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:16:00 - [12] Originally by: voetius well Petyr - I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. First couple of weeks I trained learning up to 3 or 4 (can't remember) and as soon as I has the ISKies I trained the advanced learning skills to 4 then I bumped my implants up to 3 as fast as poss. and now have +4 should I be going for +5? I looked at the different skill training plans that are to be found in the forums and sure I can train skills faster if I get my learning skills up to 5 but the payback time is in the order of 200 - 300 days just for learning 5. So - if I knew when I started what I do now I could have gone faster by getting better implants faster - but otherwise I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong Sounds like your attribute-set is extremely sub-optimal for the skills you are training. I chose the cookie-cutter balanced Achura set and get about 2100 SP/hr on any non-charisma skill. Maybe your attributes are skewed towards one side and you're currently training skills you have low attributes in? I did about the same as you. I trained learning skills almost exclusively for a month, (had 9.7 standings with a lvl 1 agent, man that was boring). Plugged in +3s after about 2 weeks, and didn't get +4s until a couple months ago, (cybernetics just wasn't very high on my list). I don't plan on training cybernetics 5 for a good while yet, I really don't see myself using +5s as I'm almost always in 0.0 or lowsec. So I think it's the attribute set. What are your stats?
voetius Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.08 17:43:00 - [13] Petyr - sorry for the delay in replying - can't post at work. charisma 9.72 intelligence 19.44 perception 23.76 memory 22.68 willpower 20.52 according to EVEMon +2 implant in charisma and +4 others currently training Engineering V at rate of 1827 sp / hr I tried to get my attributes reasonably balanced and charisma low when I set the character up but I didn't really understand all the implications and the long term benefits / disadvantages.

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