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Izanami Amane	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:41:00 - [1] Hey all,I've recently decided I want to work for the Blood raider Covonant. Thing is I dont have enough standing to even get the lowest of low of their agents, even with lvl 5 in Diplomacy. Now of course I regret all the hours of ratting Blood Raiders in nulsec hehe. Thing is, how do I recover my standing so that I can fight side by side with those feindish fiends? I've been told Killing other pirats will raise my standing but Looking at the standing exchange of my other pirat factions they havn't gotten bigger at all by me killing bloodraiders. Any advice?
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:51:00 - [2] Originally by: Izanami Amane Thing is I dont have enough standing to even get the lowest of low of their agents, even with lvl 5 in Diplomacy. Given this you have 3 options: 1) You could try working for Guristas or Sansha's. 2) Create a new character. 3) Wait until CCP changes the standings game mechanics. Killing stuff or otherwise decreasing your faction standings with other factions will do nothing to improve your Blood Raider standings.
Izanami Amane	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:07:00 - [3] Well Sasha's all I got then, they are the only ones who offer me missions. Shame they're so damn far away, Blood raiders was my choice for practicality :) I'm just currious as to why I cant work for them, I got a standing of 1.11 with diplomacy 5 for the corp, proberbly the -3.13 faction i have, some odd minumal faction requirement or something, would explain it.
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Izanami Amane Well Sasha's all I got then, they are the only ones who offer me missions. Shame they're so damn far away, Blood raiders was my choice for practicality :) I'm just currious as to why I cant work for them, I got a standing of 1.11 with diplomacy 5 for the corp, proberbly the -3.13 faction i have, some odd minumal faction requirement or something, would explain it. If your faction, corp, or personal agent standing is below -2, then they won't talk to you. At all.
Nittri Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:40:00 - [5] I was always interested in doing missions for the "bad" corps in EVE like Blood Raiders and Sansha, but my issue always stood at how to do their missions? It is all in 0.0 so wont it be almost impossible to do the missions there? Also for doing Blood Raiders, which would of been my top choice, how do you get to their space and do missions? It is located in the middle of BoB sovereignty space. I am not saying BoB wont let you in, I have never tried or asked BoB, but do you know if BoB will let you in there?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:44:00 - [6] Its currently impossible to recover standing once you pass the point of no return. This is because of what I suspect to be a bug. To do missions with friendly corps, you need -2 standing or higher with corp OR faction To do the same with hostile corps, you need corp *AND* faction. You can never get faction therefore even if you have +10 covonant standing, your -ve blood raider faction will prevent you from doing anything. You can gain corp standing by completing missions as a gang. You can never gain faction stadnings, so untill CCP put hostile corps in the same agent logic as friendly ones, you might have to use a alt. -- Billion Isk Mission
Chu Ran Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.06 05:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Lord WarATron Its currently impossible to recover standing once you pass the point of no return. This is because of what I suspect to be a bug. To do missions with friendly corps, you need -2 standing or higher with corp OR faction To do the same with hostile corps, you need corp *AND* faction. You can never get faction therefore even if you have +10 covonant standing, your -ve blood raider faction will prevent you from doing anything. You can gain corp standing by completing missions as a gang. You can never gain faction stadnings, so untill CCP put hostile corps in the same agent logic as friendly ones, you might have to use a alt. If you have a -2 standing with faction, how can it still be considered it a "friendly" corp?
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Nittri I was always interested in doing missions for the "bad" corps in EVE like Blood Raiders and Sansha, but my issue always stood at how to do their missions? It is all in 0.0 so wont it be almost impossible to do the missions there? Also for doing Blood Raiders, which would of been my top choice, how do you get to their space and do missions? It is located in the middle of BoB sovereignty space. I am not saying BoB wont let you in, I have never tried or asked BoB, but do you know if BoB will let you in there? I started a new char and went running blood missions, I soon found a new character has no skillpoints and it almost useless for high level level 1 missions but I was flying with bob goons and some randoms and saw no gatecamps at all, just 1 vaga that didnt bother to engage me.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 09:28:19 Originally by: Lord WarATron Its currently impossible to recover standing once you pass the point of no return. This is because of what I suspect to be a bug. To do missions with friendly corps, you need -2 standing or higher with corp OR faction To do the same with hostile corps, you need corp *AND* faction. You can never get faction therefore even if you have +10 covonant standing, your -ve blood raider faction will prevent you from doing anything. You can gain corp standing by completing missions as a gang. You can never gain faction stadnings, so untill CCP put hostile corps in the same agent logic as friendly ones, you might have to use a alt. Edit: Can you not gain faction standing s from storyline gang missions?
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Wil Smithx Can you not gain faction standing s from storyline gang missions? You cannot gain faction standins from a storyline gang missions. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Wil Smithx Edited by: Wil Smithx on 06/08/2008 09:28:19 Originally by: Lord WarATron Its currently impossible to recover standing once you pass the point of no return. This is because of what I suspect to be a bug. To do missions with friendly corps, you need -2 standing or higher with corp OR faction To do the same with hostile corps, you need corp *AND* faction. You can never get faction therefore even if you have +10 covonant standing, your -ve blood raider faction will prevent you from doing anything. You can gain corp standing by completing missions as a gang. You can never gain faction stadnings, so untill CCP put hostile corps in the same agent logic as friendly ones, you might have to use a alt. Edit: Can you not gain faction standing s from storyline gang missions? Nope. Unless you can bring your faction over -2, the "corp OR faction" will remain as "corp AND faction" thus be impossible for you to ever use any agent. I know +10 Blood standing people who cannot use agents as they have negitive faction from shooting blood rats etc etc. -- Billion Isk Mission
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Izanami Amane Hey all,I've recently decided I want to work for the Blood raider Covonant. Thing is I dont have enough standing to even get the lowest of low of their agents, even with lvl 5 in Diplomacy. Now of course I regret all the hours of ratting Blood Raiders in nulsec hehe. Thing is, how do I recover my standing so that I can fight side by side with those feindish fiends? I've been told Killing other pirats will raise my standing but Looking at the standing exchange of my other pirat factions they havn't gotten bigger at all by me killing bloodraiders. Any advice? you CANT work for the blood raiders you kill.. so the standings to them is irrelavant. the bloodraider corp is different from blood raider faction and needs other standings. like True Sansha... cant work for them. you can work for a corp called True Power(i think it was called) what is a sansha corp. the NPC you kill in belts are pirats... the corps are not associated whit pirats directly ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.06 10:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Izanami Amane Hey all,I've recently decided I want to work for the Blood raider Covonant. Thing is I dont have enough standing to even get the lowest of low of their agents, even with lvl 5 in Diplomacy. Now of course I regret all the hours of ratting Blood Raiders in nulsec hehe. Thing is, how do I recover my standing so that I can fight side by side with those feindish fiends? I've been told Killing other pirats will raise my standing but Looking at the standing exchange of my other pirat factions they havn't gotten bigger at all by me killing bloodraiders. Any advice? you CANT work for the blood raiders you kill.. so the standings to them is irrelavant. the bloodraider corp is different from blood raider faction and needs other standings. like True Sansha... cant work for them. you can work for a corp called True Power(i think it was called) what is a sansha corp. the NPC you kill in belts are pirats... the corps are not associated whit pirats directly Your wrong, the blood raiders you kill are the FACTION that the corp belongs to and if you had read this thread properly, you would have realised that if your faction goes below -2 you cant use agents and once you go below the faction standing cut off point, you can never increase your standings with that faction! (damn that really doesnt seem right)
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.06 11:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/08/2008 11:16:38 Originally by: Riho Originally by: Izanami Amane Hey all,I've recently decided I want to work for the Blood raider Covonant. Thing is I dont have enough standing to even get the lowest of low of their agents, even with lvl 5 in Diplomacy. Now of course I regret all the hours of ratting Blood Raiders in nulsec hehe. Thing is, how do I recover my standing so that I can fight side by side with those feindish fiends? I've been told Killing other pirats will raise my standing but Looking at the standing exchange of my other pirat factions they havn't gotten bigger at all by me killing bloodraiders. Any advice? you CANT work for the blood raiders you kill.. so the standings to them is irrelavant. the bloodraider corp is different from blood raider faction and needs other standings. like True Sansha... cant work for them. you can work for a corp called True Power(i think it was called) what is a sansha corp. the NPC you kill in belts are pirats... the corps are not associated whit pirats directly ONLY if your FACTION standing is above -2. I do not know if it is a bug. But if you read the thread, you need both sets of standings isnted of just one. Once you are above -2, you can use either standing. So it could be a strange bug. Who knows. And before you say "Proof or STFU", check my standings. I have positive blood corp standings and nevetive faction. And I can never do missions for Blood raiders even if I wanted to waste time with them. They are reagarded as probebly the worst faction in the whole of eve to do missions for. -- Billion Isk Mission
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Lord WarATron To do missions with friendly corps, you need -2 standing or higher with corp OR faction That should read: To do missions with ANY agent, you must have a -2.0 standing or higher with that agent, corp AND faction. If any of those is less than -2.0 the agent will not talk to you regardless of your other standings. If you want to work for Blood Raiders, you will need to work for Sansha's until you regain your faction standings. Everytime you complete a storyline mission for Sansha's, you will get a derived standings increase with Blood Raider's equal to 60% of the increase that you got with Sansha's. If you are unable to run missions for any of those three factions, there is simply no way for you to recover your standings. BTW - this rule applies to Empire factions as well. If you are unable to work for Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, ORE, or The Servant Sisters of EVE, then you will never be able to recover your standings with those factions until the game mechanics are changed.
Xarkon	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:45:00 - [16] As far as I recall, killing belt rats only decreases your standings towards the corporation, not the faction. However, killing (some of the) mission NPC's will decrease faction standing. Be wary of that. As has been mentioned, you can increase one factions standing by running missions for another faction friendly to them. For example, Guristas/Blood Raiders; running succesful missions for Guristas will increase Blood Raiders. However, you will lose Caldari, Amarr, Khanid, and some others. You will lose much more Caldari than you will gain Blood Raiders, so keep a close watch on that, or else you'll end up never being able to increase you Caldari because it will drop below -2.0. Just as you are, I am unable to run Blood Raider missions. However, I have both Guristas and Sansha high enough to run them and that is slowly increasing my Blood Raider. A good way to do this pirate faction increase is jump clones. I have clones sitting in both Sansha and Guristas regions. More advice, don't worry about focusing on you faction. Focus first on your corp. It is quite easy to ramp up to being able to run level 4 missions, then you'll get good faction increase. That's how it is for me. I just recently got to the point of running Gurista's level 4's because I have 6+ Guristas corporation despite my 0.05 Gurista's faction.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Xarkon As far as I recall, killing belt rats only decreases your standings towards the corporation, not the faction. Belt rats reduce faction. Even if you are in the same gang on same grid and a gangmate kills it. So if you want to do missions in a NPC region, then you cannot kill rats there. -- Billion Isk Mission
Gefex Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:01:00 - [18] What is the point of no return? I have -7.01 to Angel Cartel, with Diplomacy lvl 2 its -5.65, I have no standings at to any Angel Corps (Bar one which is -1.01) do I ever have a chance of running Angel missions?
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:06:00 - [19] Edited by: Matalino on 06/08/2008 23:06:56 Originally by: Gefex What is the point of no return? -5.0 base standings, -2.0 effective standings, with Diplomacy V. Originally by: Gefex I have -7.01 to Angel Cartel, with Diplomacy lvl 2 its -5.65, I have no standings at to any Angel Corps (Bar one which is -1.01) do I ever have a chance of running Angel missions? As long as you can work for Serpentis, The Syndicate, or Thukker Tribe you can repair your standings via derived standings gains. If all of those are also below -5.0 base standing, you can work for ORE to repair your standings with The Syndicate. Standings with ORE can be gained by working for Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, or The Servant Sisters of EVE. Gallente/Minmatar standings can be repaired via Faction Warfare promotions. So it is unlikely that you have cut yourself off completely from the Angel Cartel, but you will probably have ALOT of work to do to repair your standings.
Gefex Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Gefex on 06/08/2008 23:20:41 Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 06/08/2008 23:06:56 So it is unlikely that you have cut yourself off completely from the Angel Cartel, but you will probably have ALOT of work to do to repair your standings. Thanks man, I can work for The Syndicate quite happily, it makes (at least some) sense now I look through all the standings the factions have for each other. Cheers. Edit: BTW is there any way where you can look at the standing changes now? There used to be something on the character sheet with a list. (its been a LONG time since I ran any missions)
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.07 00:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Gefex Edit: BTW is there any way where you can look at the standing changes now? There used to be something on the character sheet with a list. (its been a LONG time since I ran any missions) To see what standing changes you have recently had, open the Standings tab of the Character sheet, right click on the standing that you are interested in and choose show transactions. You can reference this chart if you are interested in how derived standings are interconnected. The top chart shows the limit of how far derived changes will increase/decrease your standings, the bottom chart shows the compartive size of the derived change. For example, a 5% standings gain with The Syndicate will result in a 2% (5% * 0.4) gain with The Angel Cartel, provided that your base standings with the Cartel are less than +5.0.
Asmira Bronas	Posted - 2008.08.07 00:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 06/08/2008 23:06:56 Originally by: Gefex What is the point of no return? -5.0 base standings, -2.0 effective standings, with Diplomacy V. Originally by: Gefex I have -7.01 to Angel Cartel, with Diplomacy lvl 2 its -5.65, I have no standings at to any Angel Corps (Bar one which is -1.01) do I ever have a chance of running Angel missions? As long as you can work for Serpentis, The Syndicate, or Thukker Tribe you can repair your standings via derived standings gains. If all of those are also below -5.0 base standing, you can work for ORE to repair your standings with The Syndicate. Standings with ORE can be gained by working for Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, or The Servant Sisters of EVE. Gallente/Minmatar standings can be repaired via Faction Warfare promotions. So it is unlikely that you have cut yourself off completely from the Angel Cartel, but you will probably have ALOT of work to do to repair your standings. Am I crazy or is that math not completely correct? Diplomacy gives 0.4 per level so it would be +2.0 at V right? Also, for pirate factions wouldn't criminal connections give you another +0.4 per level of that making the cutoff to get a mission -6.0 base? Either way, that's going to be what would feel like ages of level 1 missions, isn't it?
Xarkon	Posted - 2008.08.07 02:12:00 - [23] Edited by: Xarkon on 07/08/2008 02:13:24 Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Xarkon As far as I recall, killing belt rats only decreases your standings towards the corporation, not the faction. Belt rats reduce faction. Even if you are in the same gang on same grid and a gangmate kills it. So if you want to do missions in a NPC region, then you cannot kill rats there. I didn't have a chance while at work before to check, but I just verified now at home. I killed two Guristas Wreckers and one Guristas Despoiler in two different asteroid belts. I did this in Nonni, Lonetrek region. Faction/Corp changes were as follows: Guristas corporation: -0.0% - Combat Aggression, -0.0022% - Combat ship kill Guristas Pirates faction: nothing registered Concord corporation: 0.0165% - Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain Concord Assembly faction: nothing registered DCM corporation (corporation that I'm a member of): nothing registered Nothing registered for anything else, neither pirates nor Empire nor corps nor factions. I traveled thru several solar systems, undocked from two stations and ran one mission before checking, so I'm certain that everything got registered. Try it your self and let us know your results.
suicide2121 Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:49:00 - [24] I have been running missions for the Blood Raiders for some time now. I haven't done storyline missions with a false hope that it wouldn't destroy my empire faction standings. Some things to be aware of before running missions for the blood raiders: 1- You will be required to kill lots of Khanid, Caldari adn Amarr ships. 2- Killing these ships will destroy your empire faction standings. 3- In time, your character will have -5 faction standings that will cause high sec to become more hostile than 0.0.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 03:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Asmira Bronas Am I crazy or is that math not completely correct? Diplomacy gives 0.4 per level so it would be +2.0 at V right? Also, for pirate factions wouldn't criminal connections give you another +0.4 per level of that making the cutoff to get a mission -6.0 base? Either way, that's going to be what would feel like ages of level 1 missions, isn't it? First, all standings modifiers are measured in terms of percentage difference between your current standings and a perfect +/- 10.0. So Diplomacy V will increase your standings by 20% of the 15 point difference between -5.0 and +10.0, giving you an increase of +3.0 raising your standings from -5.0 to -2.0. Second, only one skill applies to a given standing at anytime. Diplomacy applies to any agent/corp/faction standings for which the associated base faction standing is negitive. Connections applied to any agent/corp/faction standings for which the associated base CONCORD-friendly faction standing is postive. Criminal Connections applied to any agent/corp/faction standings for which the associated base CONCORD-unfriendly faction standing is postive. So until you get your Blood Raider faction standings above 0.0, Criminal Connections will not have any effect.
Ranvaldy Amarr Hungarian Space Defenders Omega Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.17 02:10:00 - [26] Originally by: suicide2121 I have been running missions for the Blood Raiders for some time now. I haven't done storyline missions with a false hope that it wouldn't destroy my empire faction standings. Some things to be aware of before running missions for the blood raiders: 1- You will be required to kill lots of Khanid, Caldari adn Amarr ships. 2- Killing these ships will destroy your empire faction standings. 3- In time, your character will have -5 faction standings that will cause high sec to become more hostile than 0.0. So it means even AFTER u passed the -5.0 faction standing i just go up to low sec and start killing NPC Amarr ships(also where to find these?) to gain Sansha standing ?Because i dont want to work forever for the Amarr faction.I would like to change it to Sansha in some day(maybe).So what options do i have ?
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.08.17 05:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Ranvaldy Originally by: suicide2121 I have been running missions for the Blood Raiders for some time now. I haven't done storyline missions with a false hope that it wouldn't destroy my empire faction standings. Some things to be aware of before running missions for the blood raiders: 1- You will be required to kill lots of Khanid, Caldari adn Amarr ships. 2- Killing these ships will destroy your empire faction standings. 3- In time, your character will have -5 faction standings that will cause high sec to become more hostile than 0.0. So it means even AFTER u passed the -5.0 faction standing i just go up to low sec and start killing NPC Amarr ships(also where to find these?) to gain Sansha standing ?Because i dont want to work forever for the Amarr faction.I would like to change it to Sansha in some day(maybe).So what options do i have ? You don't gain standing with one faction just because you lower it towards someone they hate. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Lumiaire	Posted - 2008.08.17 23:55:00 - [28] Not entirely on or off topic, but can anyone tell me what I can expect if I decide to move down to Sansha controlled space and start working for them? I'm guessing the normal dangers of nullsec are a given, and that by working for the Nation will destroy my Empire factions across the board. But what I'm looking for is some details on what to expect in the area and in the missions, and I should mention my experience in low/nullsec is severely lacking so I figured an npc controlled region is slightly safer than a random alliance controlled area. Any information would be appreciated.
Snow Banshee	Posted - 2008.08.18 06:13:00 - [29] step 1) make an alt with another account ... step 2) accept mission from agent step 3) gang your main and go finish the mission step 4) your alt must finish the mission for all gang, not just himself step 5 ) both chars will get faction standing increase, LP and isk reward ( splitted by half ) Repeat until your main have not recovered enough standing to do missions alone.
suicide2121 Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2008.09.16 03:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Snow Banshee step 1) make an alt with another account ... step 2) accept mission from agent step 3) gang your main and go finish the mission step 4) your alt must finish the mission for all gang, not just himself step 5 ) both chars will get faction standing increase, LP and isk reward ( splitted by half ) Repeat until your main have not recovered enough standing to do missions alone. This looks good on paper but doesn't work. Completing missions as a team will build Corporation standing nicely but will have no impact on Faction standing. To obtain a faction standing increase, the character must do a storyline mission. At this time completing a storyline as a team does not share the standings.

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