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ecdt
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:15:00 -
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I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. Jumped a gate and saw bunch of red on overview. I offer to surrender but they refused and didn't bother with any ransom. I knew I wouldn't make it out alive in an industrial. My best option was to jet the cargo and come back for it later rather then having it blown up along with the ship.
The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. I came back in another ship in order to pick it up and found out that the cargo have gotten destroyed because one of the pirate was bored.
I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them. I expressed my desire to have it back for a price. Yet they choose to be a douche bag.
I do understand that this is a game. I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing.
I was really looking forward to getting out of low sec and work with other lvl 4 agents in hi sec with better quality. My plan is now delayed by 2 months roughly speaking.
Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone. Not to mention its awfully expensive to hire mercenaries. Its best to bite my tongue and deal with my grief for the time being. Its not much I can do against such a large group.
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Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:18:00 -
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Hahaha
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 05/08/2008 22:24:41 When some1 says in local that "I don't have anything worth anything in my cargo! I will even jettison" I tend to make sure to check extra carefully what's there. Either you're the hauler we killed or there's two people stupid enough to think that tactic works
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: ecdt
I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. I came back in another ship in order to pick it up and found out that the cargo have gotten destroyed because one of the pirate was bored.
Emphasis on exactly what you did wrong
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragon
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:34:00 -
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you should have pretended you had alot of guns
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Khraunus
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:55:00 -
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-400 respect points, +9000 LOL-@-U points.
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Blueaise
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Haitchi Allamut Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 05/08/2008 22:24:41 When some1 says in local that "I don't have anything worth anything in my cargo! I will even jettison" I tend to make sure to check extra carefully what's there. Either you're the hauler we killed or there's two people stupid enough to think that tactic works
Its worthless to pirates and everyone else except myself.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 05/08/2008 23:07:31
Originally by: ecdt
I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. ... Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone
Cry us a river with carebear tears. Vengeance costs like 7 mil and there is no such ship as "Justice". bwahahaahah
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:07:00 -
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You were in lo-sec and you accept that there are risks to being there, so whats the problem? You bumped into a bunch of pirates, they killed you and you left a can there thinking what? That they wouldnt blow it up or take whats in it? As much as it sucks, you should have known better.
Thank you anyways for gracing C&P with your carebear tears. And you dont have to use low sec agents. I dont and can make a small fortune very quickly.
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Boobiencia
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:11:00 -
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if your character you hauled with were called Blueaise, then your loot were left unharmed for you to pickup as you were told in local,
later we got jumped by a gang and it might have been destroyed in the fight
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 05/08/2008 23:14:41
Originally by: Blueaise Edited by: Blueaise on 05/08/2008 23:07:21 =3
While I commend the speed of your ninja edit to conceal your main, Mr. spineless, when you (by you, I mean your alt of course) stated you knew the risk, you clearly did not account for the risk of running into *******s.
Welcome to lowsec, I guess.
Abusive | Deadspace | Deadspace2 |
Boobiencia
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 05/08/2008 23:14:41
Originally by: Blueaise Edited by: Blueaise on 05/08/2008 23:07:21 =3
While I commend the speed of your ninja edit to conceal your main, Mr. spineless, when you (by you, I mean your alt of course) stated you knew the risk, you clearly did not account for the risk of running into *******s.
Welcome to lowsec, I guess.
owned
so it was him
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Blueaise
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:27:00 -
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You found me out. ^_^ |
doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blueaise You found me out. ^_^
Just quit being a chickenshit carebear cowering behind an alt to post your pathetic carebear laments and you won't end up looking stupid...er
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dr00l
Minmatar The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:33:00 -
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:)
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Boobiencia
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:36:00 -
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Blueaise > wait i surrender Haitchi Allamut > Not an option :) Blueaise > I got nothing in my cargo that is worth shooting Haitchi Allamut > We'll see. Blueaise > ;_; Blueaise > i'll jet it out
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:40:00 -
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hahaha best failed alt post ever :D
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Mr Morimoto
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:56:00 -
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" i jumped through gate and their were bad guys and i died" would have sufficed...........
-----Empire Corp in need of isk farmers. Must be willing to move into my basement. Bread and water provided daily. Convo ingame----- |
doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:10:00 -
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Some cheese to go with the whine: Linkage
Abusive | Deadspace | Deadspace2 |
Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:19:00 -
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and this is a reminder why no body pays ransom anymore =P
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:26:00 -
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Nice find, doctorstupid2
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Nice find, doctorstupid2
tbh, I had loaded the thread before he edited, went to log in to call him on failing to post with his alt, by which time he'd edited it. So thank chribba for eve-search, such fun
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko and this is a reminder why no body pays ransom anymore =P
this is an forum illusion, ppl pay ransoms all the time.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:40:00 -
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Lulz.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko and this is a reminder why no body pays ransom anymore =P
actually, its probably because these pirates just didnt feel like ransoming, they just wanted the potentially good loot from their drops
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway.
Fixed
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 02:03:00 -
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Bai ZongTong
The Revolutionary Guard
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Posted - 2008.08.06 02:17:00 -
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ur doing missions in the wrong lowsec.
come to us --- Want some YARRHHHS? The Revolutionary Guard Pirate Corp Looking for Members Uncensored KB |
Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.06 02:42:00 -
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nice troll, i lold
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:13:00 -
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The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
Get a nice little boat and go for a sail around Somalia... you'll see that real pirates are just like Eve pirates. They'll cut your throat, throw you overboard and take your boat
ONe of them might even have a stick to hit you with
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:52:00 -
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Solution: pay the ransom. You should've offered to pay for the return of your can, instead of just begging the pirates to leave it alone. In fact, that's the worst thing you could have done. I've had the exact same scenario, though from the other side... haulers always die since I'm not sure if they're stalling for time with stabs fitted, but if the cargo is mission junk I'll ransom it back to the victim. And if they don't pay? Pop goes the can, and we laugh about how stupid they were and how much of a standings hit they just took.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.06 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
Get a nice little boat and go for a sail around Somalia... you'll see that real pirates are just like Eve pirates. They'll cut your throat, throw you overboard and take your boat
ONe of them might even have a stick to hit you with
I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56
Originally by: El'Niaga
I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs?
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56
Originally by: El'Niaga
I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs?
The chinese guy burning DVDs as as software pilot is minimizing risk to himself while making a profit.
They'll keep doing that until someone uses a Q Ship to capture them. Then when they board the ship filled with Marines and armed to the teeth they'll be destroyed. I'll grant you that Somalia is less stable than Iraq, shame the world isn't doing much to fix the problem.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56
Originally by: El'Niaga
I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs?
The chinese guy burning DVDs as as software pilot is minimizing risk to himself while making a profit.
They'll keep doing that until someone uses a Q Ship to capture them. Then when they board the ship filled with Marines and armed to the teeth they'll be destroyed. I'll grant you that Somalia is less stable than Iraq, shame the world isn't doing much to fix the problem.
Contrary to what you learned from Johnny Depp, pirate ships during the Age of Sail were typically outclassed in every way by naval vessels. That's why the pirates preyed on soft targets. But that is neither here nor there. Your entire argument and all subsequent arguments in this thread were destroyed when you said that the "OP has a point". The OP doesn't have a point. The OP doesn't have a clue. The OP blindly waddled into lowsec in an industrial ship without even bothering to poke his head in with a frigate to test the waters. The OP got what he deserved. _
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 06/08/2008 08:59:41 This thread has fallen out of context. Lets get back to me and why I do what I do :D Also, If we ask for a ransom we honour it, 100% of the time.
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ThunderEyes
Amarr ikkie inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 10:21:00 -
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Quote: The OP doesn't have a point. The OP doesn't have a clue. The OP blindly waddled into lowsec in an industrial ship without even bothering to poke his head in with a frigate to test the waters. The OP got what he deserved.
Indeed....
Now, to be more constructive for the op; Get a covert ops frigate and train some half decent cloaking skills with it. ISK wise it wont set you back for much more then say 30 mil, and you will hardly ever loose anything durting lowsec trips again.
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General Spaz
Minmatar Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:19:00 -
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As a former pirate, and now pirate hunter/ lowsec PvP'er. I have to laugh at the OP...
yet, at the same time, one of the posters above had a valid point. A smart pirate should have taken the ransom offer, or at least offered the cargo back to the OP at high yet reasonable price. I'm willing to bet the cargo was not worth anything to them, and they lost out on an opportunity to make some additional ISK by being stubborn elitists.
I constantly hear pirates complain about lack of targets, yet they pull crap like this... and make low-sec more of an unfriendly place than it has to be, I wonder how that is good for business.
Threads in C&P go much further to prove my point, i'm willing to bet that the professional pirates in Eve dont come on here and constantly flame thier victims.
Everyone knows that car salesmen are crooks, yet they always go back to the dealerships... because even though you both know the sales rep is reaming your backside everytime (without lube), they do it with a handshake and a smile. Pirates in Eve could learn alot from these guys.
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:36:00 -
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As a current pirate and the subject of this thread I think this entire thing is very funny and satisfying.
What smart pirate trade a few isk for an opportunity? The guy clearly had something and the only way of finding out was blowing him up, and I'm in my full right to do so. I even stated, as the chatlog above clearly states, that no ransom was in play.
So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that".
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: ecdt
I was hauling low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway.
jet the cargo and come back for it later
The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself.
I did mention that in local as well.
the cargo have gotten destroyed
lost 1 whole point of faction standing.
One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them.
so your saying, you new the risk, you did it anyway and now you complain on the forums
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
We regularly ransom people. But usually restrict it to Battlecruiser and above, accompanied by a ship scanner. Industrials by and large are fair game, they are like a Kinder Egg to be cracked open... Sometimes you get a really cool thing, sometimes you get a Tiny Terrapin Assumption of Risk |
Hanso Sparxx
We The People
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. Jumped a gate and saw bunch of red on overview. I offer to surrender but they refused and didn't bother with any ransom. I knew I wouldn't make it out alive in an industrial. My best option was to jet the cargo and come back for it later rather then having it blown up along with the ship.
The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. I came back in another ship in order to pick it up and found out that the cargo have gotten destroyed because one of the pirate was bored.
I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them. I expressed my desire to have it back for a price. Yet they choose to be a douche bag.
I do understand that this is a game. I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing.
I was really looking forward to getting out of low sec and work with other lvl 4 agents in hi sec with better quality. My plan is now delayed by 2 months roughly speaking.
Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone. Not to mention its awfully expensive to hire mercenaries. Its best to bite my tongue and deal with my grief for the time being. Its not much I can do against such a large group.
bolded the funee ------------------
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Cogswin Iannyen
Caldari Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway.
Your fail begins here.
Originally by: ecdt The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well.
The fail is strong with this one. As soon as you point out that it has value to YOU, then it immediatley has value to someone else, even if that price is paid in your suffering.
Originally by: ecdt
I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing.
{stuff}
I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing.
Do you also now understand that running courrier missions is a really slow and crappy way to build standing? Find a better agent.
Originally by: ecdt
Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone.
EVE is a MMO. ur doin it rong.
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Xsag
Caldari Black Fury
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:45:00 -
[45]
sorry but LOL.
Low security for a reason.
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:00:00 -
[46]
This thread totally delivers. Thank you doctorstupid2.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Creche
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:01:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Creche on 06/08/2008 17:01:21
Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway.
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
lmfao I can't tell what's funnier, the OP or this clown.
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General Spaz
Minmatar Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Haitchi Allamut So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that".
That was directed towards destroying the ejected cargo, instead of selling it back.
If that is indeed what took place then that was pointless.
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Xsag
Caldari Black Fury
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: General Spaz
Originally by: Haitchi Allamut So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that".
That was directed towards destroying the ejected cargo, instead of selling it back.
If that is indeed what took place then that was pointless.
pointless yes funnier? probably, end of the day low sec isnt always about making money sometimes its just about having fun and some of that time its about having that fun at the expense of nubs wandering through lowsec with their whole eve experience in their cargo hold.
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:18:00 -
[51]
Problem I have is haulers pop so dang fast there is no time to get a ransom....oh wait...I don't ask for them....
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:24:00 -
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I think part of the problem is 90% (made up number) of haulers are macros or don't respond. If I thought a hauler was a real player with more than a heap of garbage, I would hold them and get a ship scan and a ransom, if sentry guns were an issue you would have to blow up I'm afraid.
In your case I would have happily sold you back your stuff or ransomed your ship if it hadn't already popped.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:27:00 -
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Sentry guns kill more people than they save
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Beef Strokenhoff
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:55:00 -
[54]
I used to be a pirate in real life and I must say the work was exceptionally difficult.
I started out at the tender age of 7. Doing the usually mundane stuff here and there to assist the crew. You know... like making sure the decks were swabbed, counting the booty we pillaged from unsuspecting cruise ship casinos, the ropes were staying tight around the prisoners we were holding. Pretty standard stuff really. All while trying to learn how to read and write from a one eyed old man who said Yarrrr after every sentence while tutoring me in English makes for a trying childhood mind you.
So in summary, as a pirate grows older, he reflects upon all those mundane tasks and how boring they were. Leaving a pirate to stand by in space staring at your can o' loot you so tenderly jettisoned is like asking the IRS to accept a check to pay for back taxes you owe.
If you can't stand in the deep water, better hope your life jacket is near by. Yarrrrr....
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:01:00 -
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/me waits for 2009 dev blog outlawing destruction of mission runner loot.
OP - keep whining, it seems the cruel element of this game is disappearing fast. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Kryloz
Amarr 7th Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
lmfao I can't tell what's funnier, the OP or this clown.
He said "Irregardless" too...which is "without without regard" i guess..
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point.
Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players.
Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time.
The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy.
What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
but usually guys like that only have like 1 mil in their wallet, so much easier to just go f1-f8 than to open your wallet and check the journal and whatnot.
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ecdt
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:06:00 -
[58]
Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:07:39 I offered isk for cargo, but you refused the offer. It would've been mighty logical of you to accept the ransom when it was offered.Then you said in local that I can have it back for free after you checked the content and realized it was worthless to you, but when I tried to pick it up you destroyed it and along with my industrial ship. If I could have gotten it back for free, I would've gotten it back.
So this makes you a liar and a fiend. Not to mention you lost opportunity on making isk. You didn't even know what I was prepare to pay for the safe return of the content.
What makes someone believe that if you do accept ransom that you would follow through with it when you pull off dirty underhanded tricks such as the one you pulled on me.
You can't even fend off 1 BS on a 1 on 1 dual, and have to call in a carrier for help. Then go and flame their post when someone plays by the pirate game (no rules) and owns one of your member. What sore losers does that?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=837960
What kind of pirate are you?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:08:00 -
[59]
RANSOMS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!!!!
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Blueaise
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:40:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny RANSOMS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!!!!
Sorry I didn't write it correctly. I'm revise it, thanks.
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Khraunus
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:16:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Khraunus on 06/08/2008 20:16:24
Originally by: ecdt stuff
Gosh, I know this sounds crazy but... Maybe they weren't after isk in this case?
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:17:00 -
[62]
My opinion, if you want to pay a ransom you better start shouting in local quickly.
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Veldspar McRats
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:17:00 -
[63]
So's your face.
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whisk
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:41:00 -
[64]
Edited by: whisk on 06/08/2008 21:42:49
Originally by: ecdt Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:44:40 Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:07:39 I offered isk for cargo, but you refused the offer. It would've been mighty logical of you to accept isk for the exchange.Then you said in local that I can have it back for free after you checked the content and realized it was worthless to you, but when I tried to pick it up you destroyed it and along with my industrial ship. If I could have gotten it back for free, I would've gotten it back.
So this makes you a liar and a fiend. Not to mention you lost opportunity on making isk. You didn't even know what I was prepare to pay for the safe return of the content.
What makes someone believe that if you do accept ransom that you would follow through with it when you pull off dirty underhanded tricks such as the one you pulled on me.
You can't even fend off 1 BS on a 1 on 1 dual, and have to call in a carrier for help. Then go and flame their post when someone plays by the pirate game (no rules) and owns one of your member. What sore losers does that?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=837960
What kind of pirate are you?
you just keep making fool out of yourself
you jumped into local and started screaming in local that we should not shoot you, you have nothing and you will eject your stuff, you need it for mission etc..
how much was you gonna offer to 5+ppl gang who have plenty of isk and bored for 16 giant containers?
right
then after we poped you, we checked the can and told you that you can have it back for free, i even send you 1m because i was nice ;)
then, we got ambushed by a gang of players much like yourself, and you were sitting there and waiting to ninja loot after the fight, iv had you locked for a while befor iv send my drones after you and you poped again, you realy thought you could sit in a hauler in a middel of a big fight and nothing gonna happen to you? your fault for being new, not ours I am being nice to you still, do not push me
now stop whining and hire some mercs already
bye
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:02:00 -
[65]
Originally by: ecdt Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:44:40 Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:07:39 I offered isk for cargo, but you refused the offer. It would've been mighty logical of you to accept isk for the exchange.Then you said in local that I can have it back for free after you checked the content and realized it was worthless to you, but when I tried to pick it up you destroyed it and along with my industrial ship. If I could have gotten it back for free, I would've gotten it back.
So this makes you a liar and a fiend. Not to mention you lost opportunity on making isk. You didn't even know what I was prepare to pay for the safe return of the content.
What makes someone believe that if you do accept ransom that you would follow through with it when you pull off dirty underhanded tricks such as the one you pulled on me.
You can't even fend off 1 BS on a 1 on 1 dual, and have to call in a carrier for help. Then go and flame their post when someone plays by the pirate game (no rules) and owns one of your member. What sore losers does that?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=837960
What kind of pirate are you?
A lol-pirate
this thread is worth more in lolz then the isk you would have paid
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.07 00:11:00 -
[66]
In the end I guess one in the gang destroyed your can.
You know, eve is all about making other people suffer. We did not really care about you, your money or your can, so someone just targeted it and f1. It's not like we wanted it, but we did not want anyone else to have it either, and tbh, keeping it and ransoming it later is never an option when the cargo is "Janitors" :P
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coldplasma
The Revolutionary Guard
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:33:00 -
[67]
It took me a week to get a lvl 4 agent, stop being such a dumbass. _________________
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MadGelo
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:34:00 -
[68]
Originally by: coldplasma It took me a week to get a lvl 4 agent, stop being such a dumbass.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:02:00 -
[69]
I hate pirates as it is. This game makes it suck for anyone who happens upon one, there should be at least some way to escape without having to pay a ransom besides outgunning them.
Make pirates actually work just a little hard to get some ISK.
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:07:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Jerid Verges I hate pirates as it is. This game makes it suck for anyone who happens upon one, there should be at least some way to escape without having to pay a ransom besides outgunning them.
Make pirates actually work just a little hard to get some ISK.
You mean like farming mindless, predictable, non-challenge npc's? or sucking on rocks? Maybe getting datacores from research agents for no time investment?
Yeah, that's way harder than piracy, it's not like miners and mission runners can be replaced by a button or anythi... oh wait.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari the united
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:10:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jerid Verges I hate pirates as it is. This game makes it suck for anyone who happens upon one, there should be at least some way to escape without having to pay a ransom besides outgunning them.
Make pirates actually work just a little hard to get some ISK.
You hate me? [sarcasm]I'm offended![/sarcasm]
I have to tank sentries as well as whatever firepower you decide to throw at me... And if you bring friends, that's even more that I have to worry about holding in place to ransom while staying alive myself. And they do make WCS's for you, though if we happen to get an infinite point on you, you're boned.
Easy our job is not.
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Bodhisattvas
Wife BEATERS
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:40:00 -
[72]
Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. Jumped a gate and saw bunch of red on overview. I offer to surrender but they refused and didn't bother with any ransom. I knew I wouldn't make it out alive in an industrial. My best option was to jet the cargo and come back for it later rather then having it blown up along with the ship.
The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. I came back in another ship in order to pick it up and found out that the cargo have gotten destroyed because one of the pirate was bored.
I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them. I expressed my desire to have it back for a price. Yet they choose to be a douche bag.
I do understand that this is a game. I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing.
I was really looking forward to getting out of low sec and work with other lvl 4 agents in hi sec with better quality. My plan is now delayed by 2 months roughly speaking.
Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone. Not to mention its awfully expensive to hire mercenaries. Its best to bite my tongue and deal with my grief for the time being. Its not much I can do against such a large group.
Let the rage build up over a period of time then take it out on various friends and members of family, and just when it peaks make a forum post whilst your having a rage induced coronary failure.
It adds drama seeing your post finish mid sentance perhaps imagining your last dying wish was to just actually hit the post reply button.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 You mean like farming mindless, predictable, non-challenge npc's? or sucking on rocks? Maybe getting datacores from research agents for no time investment?
Posting in a "This guy 'Gets It', and should be listened to" thread.
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:52:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 07/08/2008 13:53:20 The guy called "nub" here probably was the OP too.
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:10:00 -
[75]
Originally by: doctorstupid2 You mean like farming mindless, predictable, non-challenge npc's? or sucking on rocks? Maybe getting datacores from research agents for no time investment?
Yeah, that's way harder than piracy, it's not like miners and mission runners can be replaced by a button or anythi... oh wait.
You can't imagine how hard this game is for carebears. Let me just fill you in on the details:
- CCP prenerfed F.O.F Missiles (and removed the CN ones), so they (well, someone or something) have to click F1-F8 WAY MORE OFTEN than those lazy-ass piwats! - Roids deplete AND can be mined by others! - The market changes, so they might have to change their research field, which MAKES THEM LOSE UP TO 49.9 RP!
Not even mentioning all those inconveniences like 40.000m¦ courier storyline missions.
Don't you dare to say carebears have it too good again!
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:00:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Khraunus Edited by: Khraunus on 06/08/2008 20:16:24
Originally by: ecdt stuff
Gosh, I know this sounds crazy but... Maybe they weren't after isk in this case?
this, i konw plenty of people, and have been killed by plenty of people, just after the potentially good loot on my ship
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges I hate pirates as it is. This game makes it suck for anyone who happens upon one, there should be at least some way to escape without having to pay a ransom besides outgunning them.
Make pirates actually work just a little hard to get some ISK.
and for this, uhh, do you konw how hard a pirates life actually is? most of the time, you probably just get hit by a gate camp, but there is more than pirating to that, they have to perma tank the sentry guns when they find their victims in gate camps, and have to worry if someone is going to go and bust it up, which can be done easily if you bring even half their numbers, because they have to setup their ships to perma tank the guns which dish out something like 350dps, sustained
secondly, other pirates, the ones that find you above a planet or asteroid belt or whatever, they have to scan you down first, which can be difficutl with the directional scanner, they could use a probe, but that takes ages
after they find you, they have to catch you, and if you put up half a decent fight, then its not so easy for them either
third, they have to watch out for OTHER pirates as well in the system scanning THEM down
a pirates life isnt as easy as you think
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Ask Unbeatable
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:19:00 -
[78]
This thread <3
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dr00l
Minmatar The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:13:00 -
[79]
Haha, I never thought us popping a hauler would cause this much fun. Needless to say, I'm gonna pop more haulers than ever if it brings lulz like this. Thanks. :D
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Reverend Void
White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:04:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Jerid Verges I hate pirates as it is. This game makes it suck for anyone who happens upon one, there should be at least some way to escape without having to pay a ransom besides outgunning them.
Make pirates actually work just a little hard to get some ISK.
You hate me? [sarcasm]I'm offended![/sarcasm]
I have to tank sentries as well as whatever firepower you decide to throw at me... And if you bring friends, that's even more that I have to worry about holding in place to ransom while staying alive myself. And they do make WCS's for you, though if we happen to get an infinite point on you, you're boned.
Easy our job is not.
Agreed. What you do is just as legitimate as mining or production. But the main thing is that piracy injects that all-important element of risk into the game. While I haven't turned to the dark side myself yet, I can't envision EVE without you guys creating that paranoia about what's on the other side of the gate.
Keep dishing out fear.
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Grandis Fustis
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:19:00 -
[81]
k i did nopt read all the posts here but what i do have to say to the op is when you jump in hold your cloak convo one of the pirates ask for a ransom. mind you most carebears will mess around bidding there time to get back to the gate or call in backup so do it quickly send isk quickly.
P.S you know how fun its is to pop a hauler just to see whats inside its like christmas
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:26:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Grandis Fustis
P.S you know how fun its is to pop a hauler just to see whats inside its like christmas
Yeah like a package wrapped in hauler colored paper.......
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DarthJosh
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:06:00 -
[83]
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.08 04:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56
Originally by: El'Niaga
I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs?
The chinese guy burning DVDs as as software pilot is minimizing risk to himself while making a profit.
They'll keep doing that until someone uses a Q Ship to capture them. Then when they board the ship filled with Marines and armed to the teeth they'll be destroyed. I'll grant you that Somalia is less stable than Iraq, shame the world isn't doing much to fix the problem.
Contrary to what you learned from Johnny Depp, pirate ships during the Age of Sail were typically outclassed in every way by naval vessels. That's why the pirates preyed on soft targets. But that is neither here nor there. Your entire argument and all subsequent arguments in this thread were destroyed when you said that the "OP has a point". The OP doesn't have a point. The OP doesn't have a clue. The OP blindly waddled into lowsec in an industrial ship without even bothering to poke his head in with a frigate to test the waters. The OP got what he deserved.
There were more than one case of a ship of the line being used to Pirate.
Most Pirates you are correct had smaller ships than their prey. They would strip out any extra stuff to make their ships faster. They were far more maneuverable than the warships of the day, and they'd stack extra cannon on board from captured ships.
The point of being a pirate is to make money. If an item only has value to its owner (such as a mission box) then the only way to get isk for it is to sell it back to them, failing to do so really isn't piracy because you lost out on an opportunity.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.08 04:37:00 -
[85]
Scout the gates ----
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.08 04:49:00 -
[86]
There is a fundamental misunderstanding of piracy in this game... Why do people pirate? To make ISK. What is the ISK for? To spend in the pursuit of happiness.
If blowing up a hauler and screwing a guys standings is their idea of happiness, why the hell would they ransom it? They only ransom so they can afford ships with which to blow up peoples standings haulers lol.
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:40:00 -
[87]
You know what I find really offensive about all of this. How did you let his pod get away?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Holy Church Of Garmonism
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Posted - 2008.08.08 06:47:00 -
[88]
Piracy rocks!
Here it is in a nutshell
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flakeys
Omerta Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:10:00 -
[89]
The whole point is to 'tick you off' ... otherwise where would the fun be?
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Terra Mikael
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.08 11:15:00 -
[90]
Great read, I brought a bucket to catch all the tears...
*sip*
So, so sweat. Must have moar!!
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:33:00 -
[91]
Quote: They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have.
Ah goddamn it burns
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory
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Posted - 2008.08.08 17:28:00 -
[92]
OP got his ship destroyed OP went back to find his can also destroyed Coincidence?
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2008.08.09 03:58:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Kryloz
He said "Irregardless" too...which is "without without regard" i guess..
I don't approve of that usage, but I don't think it warrants shooting him in the head. A severe beating sounds more commensurate to the crime.
(Taken from http://m-w.com) Main Entry: ir+re+gard+less Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912 nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ôthere is no such word.ö There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2008.08.09 05:28:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Originally by: Kryloz
He said "Irregardless" too...which is "without without regard" i guess..
I don't approve of that usage, but I don't think it warrants shooting him in the head. A severe beating sounds more commensurate to the crime.
(Taken from http://m-w.com) Main Entry: ir+re+gard+less Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912 nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ôthere is no such word.ö There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Not everyone on this board is American, so the word exists in the Good Ol' US of A. Doesnt mean it exists where i am from or where Kryloz is from. You cant spell risk with out isk. |
Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2008.08.09 23:45:00 -
[95]
but it's written in english...
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Sinker1345
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:03:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Rhak Amharr
Originally by: doctorstupid2 You mean like farming mindless, predictable, non-challenge npc's? or sucking on rocks? Maybe getting datacores from research agents for no time investment?
Yeah, that's way harder than piracy, it's not like miners and mission runners can be replaced by a button or anythi... oh wait.
You can't imagine how hard this game is for carebears. Let me just fill you in on the details:
- CCP prenerfed F.O.F Missiles (and removed the CN ones), so they (well, someone or something) have to click F1-F8 WAY MORE OFTEN than those lazy-ass piwats! - Roids deplete AND can be mined by others! - The market changes, so they might have to change their research field, which MAKES THEM LOSE UP TO 49.9 RP!
Not even mentioning all those inconveniences like 40.000m¦ courier storyline missions.
Don't you dare to say carebears have it too good again!
I am a carebear who has also tried piracy on an alt character, and I have to say that you dont know what your talking about piracy is waay harder than flying into a room full of enimies that are as intelligent as asteroids and hitting f1-f8 until they are dead.
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