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Sirus Ade
Relinquo.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:21:00 -
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After reading all the feedback and agreeing with most of it I thought it was high time to make an official petition thread.
The changes that have been proposed are ludicrous and effect way too many ships to be a viable fix for the minority of ships that are nano'd.
As such I think it's time to get a petition together in order to try and get CCP to take a closer look at the proposals and introduce a more targeted speed nerf.
Please sign this petition if you agree.
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Uncle Smokey
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:26:00 -
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/signed .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. \o/ EVERYBODY SAY HELL YEAH! \o/ |
Rmageddon
Fluffy Bunny Love
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:28:00 -
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/signed
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.06 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sirus Ade Edited by: Sirus Ade on 06/08/2008 00:41:21 After reading all the feedback and agreeing with most of it I thought it was high time to make an official petition thread.
The changes that have been proposed are ludicrous and effect way too many ships to be a viable fix for the minority of ships that are nano'd.
As such I think it's time to get a petition together in order to try and get CCP to take a closer look at the proposals and introduce a more targeted speed nerf.
Please sign this petition if you agree.
Most importantly go here: CSM VOTE THREAD
Your tears are delicious. ------ I'll make a sig later. |
RuneTday
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:29:00 -
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/ sign
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:33:00 -
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adapt or ... you know what happens then
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:44:00 -
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Quote:
As such I think it's time to get a petition together in order to try and get CCP to take a closer look at the proposals and introduce a more targeted speed nerf.
I guess they're already doing something along these lines.
I'm curious about what changes to missiles they come up with, would be sweet if they actually fixed the bug with torpedoes/cruises hitting anything below BS size.
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Longeye
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:29:00 -
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/signed
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Ivyg
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:16:00 -
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/signed
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carleyjones
Caldari Blood and Silver
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic adapt or ... you know what happens then
Going by your kinds example is the anwser - adapt or whine and whine until you get your own way?
/signed
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jerrard iceni
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:35:00 -
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/signed
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Eelyen Dalamar
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:29:00 -
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/signed
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:07:00 -
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/unsigned
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.08.07 02:09:00 -
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I'm going to take a middle ground on this. I feel that nano ships are over-the-top as they currently exist, so I like the changes in principle. However, I'm leaning toward the opinion that the changes go to far.
Snake changes -- good. Introducing these in the first place was one of the two reasons nano-ships became as unballanced as they are. Cutting their effect is reasonable, though I do understand the consternation of those who spent billions on those implants. Then again, many have lost investments due to the effects of rebalancing.
Polycarb changes -- good. These were the other major factor in unbalancing nano-ships. All other rigs are less effective than their equivalent module, so should polycarbs.
Increased ship mass -- bad. It sounds as though they've not only significantly increased ship mass on a number of ships, but have also changed the modules that reduce mass so that they no longer do so. I'm not in favor of this. Clearly the polycarbs reduced mass too much, but this goes too far in the other direction.
Overdrive effectiveness reduced -- bad. I favor leaving overdrives as is, though see below.
Gang bonuses -- good. I think the amount this was reduced is reasonable.
Webifiers -- good/bad. 90% webifiers were too strong. 60% webifiers are too weak, and this hits Matari recons too hard. I think a balance might be reached by giving the Matari recons a web strength bonus (5-10% per level) and by adding a web strength skill (5% per level). These strength bonuses would apply to the margin, not to the penalty amount, like hardeners do. So, for example, a normal ship flown by a web-trained pilot would get a web strength of about 70%, and a fully trained Rapier pilot would get that number up to 77.5-85%.
Overheating -- oh, yes, I should have added this in as the third major source of the problem. I don't see any changes made to overheating by this patch, which strikes me as odd. Frankly, if I had my way, I'd remove overheating and refund the SPs spent training this skill plus the last level of the prereq. Failing that, the gain from overheating should be reduced significantly.
MWD/scram interaction -- neutral. I'm not sure whether I like this or not yet. It might be an interesting dynamic.
Afterburners -- bad. If anything, I think afterburners should be boosted (by a modest amount).
AFs -- good. Though I hope that this is not the whole of the vaunted AF fix; a bit of extra speed isn't enough.
One final thought: in general, instead of reducing the bonuses from individual sources as much, I think that incorporating stacking nerfs should accomplish a good deal of what needs to be done. It's just a matter of making the various modules stack together in a way that doesn't prevent their usefulness single while reducing the effect of fitting many of them.
-- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:20:00 -
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Lol why are you petitioning for something they are already doing, they put the proposed patch on sisi, for testing and asked for feed back here, is this not what your asking for?.. there are a stupid amount of repat thread in this forum its getting boaring, i may petition to have repat threads deleted or those that are in the wrong place.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 07/08/2008 09:14:43
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Your tears are delicious.
2006 called, they want their catchphrase back
also /signed
Originally by: Sweet Rosella .. there are a stupid amount of repat thread in this forum its getting boaring, i may petition to have repat threads deleted or those that are in the wrong place.
you mean like the stupid amount of repeat of 54645 daily nano whine threads that brought the whole mess on us in the first place? so true
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sweet Rosella on 07/08/2008 09:21:54
This game is so funny when it comes to customer feed back, its like a game in it's self. Everyone arguing and fighting in a forum to see the game played how they see fit, rather than most mmo's you sign up for , you either like it or lump it.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:18:00 -
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rabble rabble rabble
"Without nano ships will be useless"
"They were never useful, even before nano"
rabble rabble rabble ----------------- Friends Forever |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:23:00 -
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More constructively, speed for your average Hac/Recon MUST be under 4km, anything more and you have what we have now. SO a large blanket change to everything speed related is needed to get below this magical number.
Why this number? Seems about right for preventing the care free pvp and gate camp busting nature of the speed freaks. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Asulox
Caldari Faction Wolfpack
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:42:00 -
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Quote from devblog
Yes flock, the dev giveth and the dev taketh. And surely, many will lament that he is heavy on the taketh this time around. But let us not succumb to exclamations and ôI quitÆ threatsö just yet. These changes are of many dimensions, and even though there are few actual statistical boosts, each perceived nerf levels the playing field in such a manner where overall variety and inventive gameplay is being boosted. The battles will hopefully once again teem with ships of all sizes and makes, giving added weight to strategy and tactics (our very favourites).
We are fully aware that such complex changes can have unforeseen results, especially since such an agglomeration of them is difficult to test without the participation of a large number of players. Thus, we urge you to log onto Singularity (our test server) this Monday, July 28TH to give them a spin and spare us no feedback or thoughts on these issues. We're allocating a long time (a month or more) to oversee the changes because we are open to further tweaks, based on your suggestions.
-Nozh, bringing balance to the galaxy
you have my /signed provisionally, but lets see what the coming month brings, I hope with testing these ideas will reveal how much they bugger up a whole pile of ships, and steps are taken to penalise only the few who have the kind of ludicrous speed thats referred to.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Seems about right for preventing the care free pvp and gate camp busting nature of the speed freaks.
to replace it with even more carefree pvp of massive drake blobs? yea that sounds like exactly what the game needs
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AenarisNL
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:41:00 -
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signed
or welcome to blob online, capital online, drake online, etc.
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Miss Freighter
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:53:00 -
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/signed
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RA SMELLS
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:54:00 -
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/signed
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Vodka Lover
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:55:00 -
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/signed
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Satoyo Akuiro
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:58:00 -
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/signed
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Nicoli Malthus
Caldari Daughters Of Venus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:54:00 -
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/signed
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Hatch
Minmatar Bug-Blatter Beasts of Traal
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:58:00 -
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ccp, step away from the whiphits.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg More constructively, speed for your average Hac/Recon MUST be under 4km, anything more and you have what we have now. SO a large blanket change to everything speed related is needed to get below this magical number.
Why this number? Seems about right for preventing the care free pvp and gate camp busting nature of the speed freaks.
Yeah lets make them go just below 4k
*nerfbat hits*
Ishtar goes 2.2
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Edited by: Amy Wang on 07/08/2008 09:14:43
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Your tears are delicious.
2006 called, they want their catchphrase back
also /signed
I shall savor yours as well. ------ I'll make a sig later. |
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