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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Arson Yet, again, CCP Falls to the *****ing and whining done by those who want no PVP.
Erm? Please explain me how suicide ganking is serious pvp.
Besides what is the problem? You can suicide gank all you want. Just the rewards are lowered so you need to pick your targets more carefully. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. You need to think at least a little bit - and this is good. Remember? Eve is a harsh world.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:15:00 -
[302]
Thinking about it a bit more it would be acceptable if CCP would have the balls to move all level4 agents to low sec as well.
But without such a measure this really is over the top. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Bitter Brain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:21:00 -
[303]
I welcome this. Especially the change in insurance payout is much needed.
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Karentaki
Gallente Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:28:00 -
[304]
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
I've just found a new signature ============= RE: The piracy nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:29:00 -
[305]
Suicide ganking is really a big issue, but with this changes you only affect it a little.
Problems are: Guys with little hassle win in most cases great rewards. They get refund from getting their ships blown up, so they lost almost nothing. They get some security penalty which can be fixed in few days ratting (also brings isk).
Some solution: 2 guys are camping and scaning travelers as they pass. One guy full with POS materials or faction items enters system, and those 2 guys engage. Will Concord be fast enough to stop them?
How about insurance is not paid out if ship was lost in a criminal activity in high security? That way ganking will become real risk, because you newer know will the victim cargo burn in the explosion.
And for the last problem you offered no solution and that fact stays that those guys will after they spend their riches return to the ganking business, with no risk and with high reward.
How about CONCORD pays bounties from rats in percentage related with your security status (leave security gain as it is or increase it a bit for those “reformed” guys who suddenly want to come back to the light side)?
--------- I want to phew phew
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:38:00 -
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It is *still* utterly ridiculous that the cargo of the victim of a suicide ganker remain floating out in space for anyone to loot.
Such a situation would never be tolerated by any civilization organized enough to field an undefeatable force like Concord.
Pirating simply doesn't belong in high sec. Rather than try and field a feeling that we're never safe, CCP needs to find a way to make low sec more rewarding in order to tempt people out there.
I love the concept of pirating, but accepting successful/profitable suicide ganking in high sec requires players to suspend far more disbelief than they should have to.
It's sillier than a Bugs Bunny cartoon. In fact, legitimate space farers would view Concord as the Wiley Coyote of law enforcement.
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NAT Mav
TribalWar Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:06:00 -
[307]
Edited by: NAT Mav on 06/08/2008 21:07:22 This is actually a good thing for the hardcore suicide gankers.
False sense of security anyone?
This will make it tough for CaldariCitizen12312434234 to solo gank a T1 hauler in his throwaway Caracal, but it won't stop an organized group from ganking a AFK freighter carrying many billions worth of cargo. This will just make them feel a bit more safe when they think about going AFK.
*Edit: Something does need to be done about the noobcorp system though.
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mishkof
Caldari Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:18:00 -
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Overall the changes are good. I have to question the increased security hit in Hi sec a little bit.
There seriously was no risk at all to high sec ganking. What was the over under...10 mil tops? A little security hit that you got back up through ratting. Yeah ratting is the most painful punishment I can think of. I dont do it, but then again I dont high sec gank either.
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Gerard Deneth
Caldari Equilibrium's Shadow
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:31:00 -
[309]
I endorse this product and/or service.
No, Seriously. This dosen't make highsec ganking any less impossible really. It just makes it a bit more logical. Cops tend to respond harder and faster when you're in the big city near a police station as opposed to hell's kitchen at 3 in the morning (1.0 and .00001 sec, I suppose)
Secondly, losing the insurance payout makes even more sense logically. You go burn your house down IRL, you're not gonna get your insurance. Ought to be the same thing in EVE.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.06 21:43:00 -
[310]
Originally by: NAT Mav This will make it tough for CaldariCitizen12312434234 to solo gank a T1 hauler in his throwaway Caracal, but it won't stop an organized group from ganking a AFK freighter carrying many billions worth of cargo.
Exactly! And this is how it should be. Well out thought attacks should still be possible - and they will be possible without too many problem. But it would stop every joe and smoe to run in their cheap caracals and gank senselessly everyone without the need to think a bit first.
The only point missing now is that CCP needs to make the low sec systems more profitable so that more players (and especially non-hardcore pirates) will be there. More rewards for low sec roaming!
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El Mauru
Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 22:10:00 -
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I can live with these changes as long as something is done about players in NPC corps.
IMHO the bounties/Loyalty points/Rewards of players in NPC corps should be capped or taxed. Heck, make it only for lvl 4/5 missions and I'd be happy.
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Tetsuo Hourai
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Posted - 2008.08.06 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: NAT Mav This will make it tough for CaldariCitizen12312434234 to solo gank a T1 hauler in his throwaway Caracal, but it won't stop an organized group from ganking a AFK freighter carrying many billions worth of cargo.
Exactly! And this is how it should be. Well out thought attacks should still be possible - and they will be possible without too many problem. But it would stop every joe and smoe to run in their cheap caracals and gank senselessly everyone without the need to think a bit first.
The only point missing now is that CCP needs to make the low sec systems more profitable so that more players (and especially non-hardcore pirates) will be there. More rewards for low sec roaming!
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Drake Arson Yet, again, CCP Falls to the *****ing and whining done by those who want no PVP.
Erm? Please explain me how suicide ganking is serious pvp.
Besides what is the problem? You can suicide gank all you want. Just the rewards are lowered so you need to pick your targets more carefully. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. You need to think at least a little bit - and this is good. Remember? Eve is a harsh world.
"Without too many problem". . . besides the massive sec hits and now-barely-breaking-even-which-is-not-profit, profit. I pirate for a reason, same as you run missions and rat for a reason (and for ****s sake, do NOT post after me, "oh i don't rat, oh i don't run missions", i don't care and you would still miss what i am telling everyone, not just you). This change will make my ganking rarer, my wallet lighter, and you will continue droning on. IT IS ABOUT BALANCE. This is a harsh world, as has been said, quoted above even, so, you deal with the loss of whatever it took you nothing to make. It amazes me that people are posting about how simple it is, oh any moron can suicide gank, oh its no consequence, oh you are whiners. What I see, what I see are mission running care bears who will have very little risk, since no one wants to drop enough sec to be banned from high sec, running vast sums of money around afk, running their missions afk, mining with macros afk, and playing eve afk. This is going to hurt the personal economies for people who want to PLAY THE GAME.
This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking.
Then. . . I. . . DO. . . NOT. . . want. . . you. . . to. . . make. . . isk. . . running. . . missions, cause every moron and their mom and their dog can run a mission blindfolded in their chairs upside down. I want mission rewards halved and all the rats in every mission 10X damage and HP buffed. I HAVE TO LOSE MY SHIP to take what i want from you, you will make isk every second of the day mindlessly running missions. You should not be able to play this game without the fear that someone like me will be able to kill someone like you and take what you've worked for, by WORKING myself. "EVE is a harsh world". . . WHY IN GOD'S NAME SHOULD IT BE LESS HARSH FOR YOU? It's called balance. If it's hard for me, why should it not be hard for you? cause you're in high sec? cause I'll drop standing like a rock for killing you? Please, STACK the sec penalties for suicide ganking until everyone can infinitely run everything through every sec without consequence. The insurance thing, that is okay to an extent, the reason for it is solid, even if i don't like it; if am willing to commit a crime, and the police are there to kill me, by all means. As has been said before, if you burn you own house down, you don't get the insurance for it. lol Or, looking at it differently, in some states, if you kill someone, we kill you back.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.06 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tetsuo Hourai ...stuff...
Obviously you missed a main part of what I said, even though I wrote it in bold font. Therefore I will repeat it:
Originally by: Gnulpie
The only point missing now is that CCP needs to make the low sec systems more profitable so that more players (and especially non-hardcore pirates) will be there. More rewards for low sec roaming!
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Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.08.06 22:45:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Tetsuo Hourai
"Without too many problem". . . besides the massive sec hits and now-barely-breaking-even-which-is-not-profit, profit. I pirate for a reason, same as you run missions and rat for a reason (and for ****s sake, do NOT post after me, "oh i don't rat, oh i don't run missions", i don't care and you would still miss what i am telling everyone, not just you). This change will make my ganking rarer, my wallet lighter, and you will continue droning on. IT IS ABOUT BALANCE. This is a harsh world, as has been said, quoted above even, so, you deal with the loss of whatever it took you nothing to make. It amazes me that people are posting about how simple it is, oh any moron can suicide gank, oh its no consequence, oh you are whiners. What I see, what I see are mission running care bears who will have very little risk, since no one wants to drop enough sec to be banned from high sec, running vast sums of money around afk, running their missions afk, mining with macros afk, and playing eve afk. This is going to hurt the personal economies for people who want to PLAY THE GAME.
This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking. This way not every moron can profit from suicide ganking.
Then. . . I. . . DO. . . NOT. . . want. . . you. . . to. . . make. . . isk. . . running. . . missions, cause every moron and their mom and their dog can run a mission blindfolded in their chairs upside down. I want mission rewards halved and all the rats in every mission 10X damage and HP buffed. I HAVE TO LOSE MY SHIP to take what i want from you, you will make isk every second of the day mindlessly running missions. You should not be able to play this game without the fear that someone like me will be able to kill someone like you and take what you've worked for, by WORKING myself. "EVE is a harsh world". . . WHY IN GOD'S NAME SHOULD IT BE LESS HARSH FOR YOU? It's called balance. If it's hard for me, why should it not be hard for you? cause you're in high sec? cause I'll drop standing like a rock for killing you? Please, STACK the sec penalties for suicide ganking until everyone can infinitely run everything through every sec without consequence. The insurance thing, that is okay to an extent, the reason for it is solid, even if i don't like it; if am willing to commit a crime, and the police are there to kill me, by all means. As has been said before, if you burn you own house down, you don't get the insurance for it. lol Or, looking at it differently, in some states, if you kill someone, we kill you back.
well, it's a bit off topic and a whine, your post, it is.. yes, there is a problem with high sec income, and it would be peachy if CCP would move all lv4 agents in low sec. Briliant!
But i doubt you gank mission runenrs. you gang people that are doing moon mining, doing t2 production, carrying their precious faction loot from ratting and exploration...
yea, i know, i know, it's shinny and it's got to be yours.. and I think most of those guys carrying facrion loot in a t1 hauler and afk are dumb and deserved what happened to them... one more reason i support your point of view is that most of those afk dumba**** are actually isk farmers.. 99,9999% certain...
well, devs have a way of introducing this kind of changes... kinda... like... not looking at the whole picture... who knows, maybe some day they'll nerf carebears? lolz --------- I want to phew phew
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Max Teranous
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:35:00 -
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Was implimenting tradable kill rights considered?
That would have given the players the power to deal with criminals & introduce a new profession and style of gameplay to eve, which would be awesome. This change just imposes more controls on the players by the system, which in my opinion is a step away from eve's sandbox concept.
Max
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Narffy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:45:00 -
[316]
Originally by: CCP Fear Some answers to your questions;
These changes are on the test-server right now. So SISI is your way to go for testing this out.
Low security (0,3-0,1) is basically getting a reduction in security penalty from it's current values. So in essence, the lowest of security, just got harsher.
When we first started with this process, by brainstorming. We decided that it should not completely close off suicide ganking, but to raise the bar, make it so that it can be done, but will require some planning, thought and effort.
This is mainly focused on the no-risk no-thought ganking, that has killed thousands in the last few months.
I am in awe of those who spend weeks in planning, infiltrating, scheming and plotting against another player, just to be able to pop his freighter full of dysprosium. THAT is something i find amazing and i do not want to stop. And the reason for that, is the amount of work that went into the planning. That is cool IMO.
And that is still possible. But we want to discourage people to gank for giggles. It's just not sporting.
EVE is still harsh, and it punishes you for being careless and AFK. And this change, doesn't change that.
How many thousands of people have been suicide ganked in the past 3 months? What was the average value of their modules and cargo? What was the average value of the victims ship when ganked? What percentages of the ships were not tanked and what percentage was on autopilot? Even if you say something like 30,000 ships suicide ganked in highsec in 3 months, that might only be about 1 person every four minutes which isn't that bad.
If you're focusing on the no-risk ganking, then what are you doing about throwing the risk vs reward for hauling and missions out of wack? How much faster is Concord's response time in each system?
You did a great job of brainstorming, however, it is not a wise idea to implement almost all the possible solutions at once.
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Ioan Metorsky
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:55:00 -
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I think what's funny about these changes is that they won't deter anyone bent on Empire ganking. Blowing up a freighter carrying 4 billion in assets but losing 2 billion in battleships in the process still equals 2 billion profit. And for those of us that live in 0.0, we can still easily just go home and grind our sec status back up and return for more ganks. |
Trotula
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Trotula on 06/08/2008 23:55:20 Eve is about to get some serious competition in the sci-fi spaceship MMORPG genre within the next couple years. I expect that these recent changes are needed to keep the more casual players from jumping ship, which has already been shown to make up the majority of Eve's player base.
I'm sure CCP has done surveys and one of the common player concerns is non-consensual PvP (or ganking to use a term more recognisable). To attract and keep the carebear players, Eve needs to be less harsh, I don't see how it can continue to grow if it doesn't. The number of gamers wanting a harsh free for all PvP environment doesn't compare to the number of casual gamers, and CCP's ability to grow, to add to Eve and develop other MMORPG projects depends on bringing in those casual gamers.
To sum it up:
Dear Devs, It Is Safe To Ignore The Vocal Minority Crying In This Thread
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Isanoe nothwood
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Isanoe nothwood on 07/08/2008 00:23:20 Edited by: Isanoe nothwood on 07/08/2008 00:22:48 Edited by: Isanoe nothwood on 07/08/2008 00:21:31
Originally by: "CCPLagfest"
In addition, the highly requested feature of removal of insurance in CONCORD related events will be implemented in the near future.
That's all you needed to do. Good job. (¬hanc_ock)
...CCP Security hole in empire V done.
Ok now get back to work, hire mawr hamsters to make decent servers with no lag when 300v300.
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SDragoon
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Posted - 2008.08.07 00:34:00 -
[320]
Edited by: SDragoon on 07/08/2008 00:35:28 Wait, reduced response time for concord? I thought the original response time was too fast. It takes around 20 seconds for a real player to do even a short range warp due to the long acceleration and deceleration periods. How exactly do you explain concord apparently having warp drives that have 10-20 times the acceleration rate with 50AU/second top speed? tech 15 warp drives anyone?
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Calling "exploiting" - What rules have "we" broken? Find me ONE! If it was an exploit we would all be banned. At any rate....Another Point for Carebears.
meh.
CONCORD has a rule prohibiting attacks on invalid targets in their jurisdiction. You disobey and get your ship torched and they hate you a little more for not obeying their laws.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:13:00 -
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My view. Suicide gankign was not working a nice way. BUT'' I always hated cocnord magical response. Too fast.'' I think woudl be far better for gameplay and interesting game if concord response was WAY WAY slower. But the punishment was way way more severe.
Example?
YOU attack a ship in 0.5 and concord shoudl take like 30 seconds to 1 minutes to arrive! Yes the target wil very likely die. But the punishment shoudl be way more severe. You loose your ship and you get a TEMPORARY IMEDIATE move to OUTLAW status. That status would persist for a tiem varign on the value of ship you blew up. So if you ganked a frigate you stay outlawed for 30 min. If you ganked a Battleship you stay outlawed for a FULL DAY! If you gank a freighter you stay outlawed for a full week!
Durign this time you are effectively banished from high sec.
The effect? Woudl make suicide gankign mroe believable. And it woudl be easier to make. But no oen woudl be able to LIVE form doing it only. So suicide gankign would be feasible only when you know before hand a specific valuable cargo is beign moved and its very very worth to do that.
That woudl simply remove the people living from suicide ganking and woudl make it a much rarer event. But at same tiem woudl make it a much less PATHETIC event. Because 30 battleships waitign at a gate for a freighter to jump in then 15 secodns later only wrecks in gate remais is PATHETIC. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Sixer70
Ferro Ignique
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:21:00 -
[323]
just another wussy change to make the *****s happy and comfy. Space is so safe with CCP on the watch. high sec becomes full sec.. what a load of crap.
get some nads CCP... keep this up and you'll lose anyone with any creativity or energy playing. You'll leave it to the isk farmers, macro miners, macro mission runners and poindexters.
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Artemis Rose
Odd End of the Universe
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:39:00 -
[324]
Wow, thats all pretty lame...
Great changes you have going... what's next? Full module insurance and autopilot warp to 0?
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Akhavir
Minmatar Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akhavir on 07/08/2008 01:51:24 Worst Idea Ever.
Look at all of the corps that these people are in. Go figure. Re: Suicide Ganking Nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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Akhavir
Minmatar Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:49:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Akhavir on 07/08/2008 01:51:49 Doublepost.. Re: Suicide Ganking Nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:57:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Trotula Edited by: Trotula on 06/08/2008 23:55:20 Eve is about to get some serious competition in the sci-fi spaceship MMORPG genre within the next couple years. I expect that these recent changes are needed to keep the more casual players from jumping ship, which has already been shown to make up the majority of Eve's player base.
I'm sure CCP has done surveys and one of the common player concerns is non-consensual PvP (or ganking to use a term more recognisable). To attract and keep the carebear players, Eve needs to be less harsh, I don't see how it can continue to grow if it doesn't. The number of gamers wanting a harsh free for all PvP environment doesn't compare to the number of casual gamers, and CCP's ability to grow, to add to Eve and develop other MMORPG projects depends on bringing in those casual gamers.
To sum it up:
Dear Devs, It Is Safe To Ignore The Vocal Minority Crying In This Thread
Yes lets turn Eve into a nice safe themepark ride to compete with the other 10 thousand lame WoW clones (figure accurate at time of post)
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.08.07 02:01:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Shevar Thinking about it a bit more it would be acceptable if CCP would have the balls to move all level4 agents to low sec as well.
But without such a measure this really is over the top.
I'd love to see L3s go too. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |
Hamish Grayson
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.08.07 02:09:00 -
[329]
Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 07/08/2008 02:15:03
Originally by: Sixer70 just another wussy change to make the *****s happy and comfy. Space is so safe with CCP on the watch. high sec becomes full sec.. what a load of crap.
get some nads CCP... keep this up and you'll lose anyone with any creativity or energy playing. You'll leave it to the isk farmers, macro miners, macro mission runners and poindexters.
It's not CCP's fault you can't handle 0.0 and have to survive off noobs. "Real tuff men gank people who are not at their computer or in nice fat ships that can't fight back in an internet space ship game" Yes, your no 'wussy' at all. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |
Funky Feeling
Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Grayson Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 07/08/2008 02:32:46
Originally by: Sixer70 just another wussy change to make the *****s happy and comfy. Space is so safe with CCP on the watch. high sec becomes full sec.. what a load of crap.
get some nads CCP... keep this up and you'll lose anyone with any creativity or energy playing. You'll leave it to the isk farmers, macro miners, macro mission runners and poindexters.
It's not CCP's fault you can't hack 0.0 and have to survive off noobs. "Real tuff men gank people who are not at their computer or in nice fat ships that can't fight back in an internet space ship game" Yes, your no 'wussy' at all.
If you want to play a hard character, and not a carebear you should expect things to be...hard. If you want to talk the talk you should have to walk the walk. You aren't upset because CCP are making it easier on the carebears your upset because they aren't handing them to you tied up and on a silver platter anymore and now you can't hack being an empire pirate either. I'll sell you a badger carebear.
says the 'lieutenant' carebear.
guys that whine that they get suicide ganked are simply that.. whinging... space should be as it is.. protected. but wild. THere is heavy risk.. if you want to put 41 billion of faction items on your freaking navy raven and slowboat around.. don't be surprised when corps like the souls of vengeance decide to be the corsairs of space and remove your stupid keester from owning those items.
if you don't like it.. go play wow or eq or some other testicle-less game.
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