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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:24:00 -
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Ok, so I was looking at the guys over at IM Poker... and got to thinking, why not a full fledged Eve Online casino?
I mean, I certianly have the knowledge to code a website... I meen I could even make buying "chips" an automated proccess, though cashing out would still need to done by a player.
The problem is, that I don't really know much about running a casino. Haha.
I meen for instance, blackjack, poker (all types), roulette, and all that stuff would be pretty easy to code and make money on.
However what if I wanted to add slots, I mean short of cheating the player I couldnt really see a way to make this work, unless I only had so many and each one was filled with so much ISK and after it was gone it needed refilled...
*Shrug*
I would like to see something like this come alive, cause I know I can handle it from a techinical and coding standpoint. Its not "to" hard, just would take a bit of time.
Does anyone out there know if this has been tried or what they think about it?
Erm also, dont flame me. I mean its not like im asking for a shit ton of your money....
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:29:00 -
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If you truly wanted to try it. Go and code what you do know, or find other players who can help you.
Running the code and the site is one thing, having some sort of oversight and a reputation to be able to handle the cash is another.
Make it free at first, then let people buy chips with ISK
No idea if it would be popular.
Just do it.
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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray If you truly wanted to try it. Go and code what you do know, or find other players who can help you.
Running the code and the site is one thing, having some sort of oversight and a reputation to be able to handle the cash is another.
Make it free at first, then let people buy chips with ISK
No idea if it would be popular.
Just do it.
See, I agree fully with you on this. I know I could run the code and the website, but I am unsure if my poor brain can handle the thought of running well any other side.
If there is a player with the experience something like this might entail, that isn't just going to up and leave me hanging and knows the definition of the word "Dedication". Please by all means hit me up! This would be something I am extremely interested in doing!
Hmm, and in regards to the free idea, yeah I guess that would work. Though I don't really think people of eve would just be attracted to a free casino...
*shrug*
I will have to give it a whirl, at least the free version would kind of let me test the waters in some areas.
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Raylyn Yu
Minmatar University of Hard Knocks Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Raylyn Yu on 06/08/2008 04:39:29 Exactly as Cosmoray said. Offer the service for free and get all the kinks worked out then try to set it up with ISK. You'll probably want to build a reputation with the EVE poker community and other related services as well as with this forum.
Edit: offering this as an IPO down the road probably wouldn't hurt. You'll need a bank roll to get started with and a legit Casino is a great investment ---------------------------- Beep boop I'm a robot |
Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:41:00 -
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Perhaps try finding someone who is experienced in EVE finances to work with you who is interested in the project. Not just someone to endorse you, but someone to really work out all the logistics of accepting investment in EVE, etc.
Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp |
Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:47:00 -
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Man, thanks guys for all the advice! You guys are way nicer then the dudes over at Crime and Punishment! (haha, though much softer)
Yeah, I am honestly working on a website template right now, I want to keep all the games Eveish.... yeah know? So it looks like a real eve casino? If that makes sense at all?
If there is anyone out there that fits the bill of what packstu (sorry if I misspelled your name, going by memory) is suggesting. Please by all means contact me!
As I said before I am extremely interested in making this happen! I know I would a good amount of cash to get this started once i went live with it, but heck.. I think it might be a pretty good investment too!
If you guys have any other ideas by all means keep em coming!
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:51:00 -
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See if anybody in the existing EVE poker industries would like you to act as an agent for them. You wouldn't reap a whole lot of profit from them, if any, but you could integrate their offering into your own line-up of services and thus eliminate the problem people may have of "do I gamble here, or do I gamble there?"
I honestly don't know if this will work or not, but the others' advice is good. As for an MD expert, I'd keep posting and see if someone volunteers. I am willing to contribute my advice, but I am probably too busy with other things to really work with you full-time on it.
Best of luck in any event.
Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp |
Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Packtu'sa See if anybody in the existing EVE poker industries would like you to act as an agent for them. You wouldn't reap a whole lot of profit from them, if any, but you could integrate their offering into your own line-up of services and thus eliminate the problem people may have of "do I gamble here, or do I gamble there?"
I honestly don't know if this will work or not, but the others' advice is good. As for an MD expert, I'd keep posting and see if someone volunteers. I am willing to contribute my advice, but I am probably too busy with other things to really work with you full-time on it.
Best of luck in any event.
Kewl! Thanks for the offer, if its alright, I shot you a convo request ingame to kind of pick your brain a bit. I understand your busy and if you dont want ot talk thats fine.
I am just kind of exicted but before I put alot of my time and brain powa into it. I want to get a few things hammered out.
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Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vhaluus on 06/08/2008 05:01:46 its definitely doable the issue would be having people actually trust that your code isn't rigging the games.
I was considering my own gambling business once upon a time, going to start with sports betting and move onto this sort of stuff. That being said if you do go ahead with it, let me know and I'll lend my assistance, with either programming or management.
I am however not a 'name' to get you rep by any stretch.
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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:20:00 -
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Wow!
I was totally expecting an ultra flame thrower fest in my direction, however I have recieved nothing but advice and good wishes!
Thanks alot guys!
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Raylyn Yu
Minmatar University of Hard Knocks Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:12:00 -
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One thing I'd like to see if you get your feet off the ground is a lottery. I've seen many in the past but a lot are scams, rigged or don't last at all. Get some trust, some ISK and give us a chance to throw our digital dollars away! ---------------------------- Beep boop I'm a robot |
Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lubimchik Wow!
I was totally expecting an ultra flame thrower fest in my direction, however I have recieved nothing but advice and good wishes!
Thanks alot guys!
You didn't ask for any money, just asked for people to vhett your idea. Since brainstorming business ideas is what most of the people in this forum do, you got a warm response. It's like posting: "Hey, what do you think about this new way to gank a lot of isk-seller lowsec courier mission-runners?" in C&P.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Raylyn Yu One thing I'd like to see if you get your feet off the ground is a lottery. I've seen many in the past but a lot are scams, rigged or don't last at all. Get some trust, some ISK and give us a chance to throw our digital dollars away!
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Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:48:00 -
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I'd just suggest you be careful how you advertise. If you start advertising in chat, you'll **** off a lot of people very quickly. I think ISK sellers get more hate for spamming chat than they do for actually selling ISK.
Other than that, just remember that reputation is your most valuable asset in a business.
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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:33:00 -
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Yeah. I will about adevertising later.
Right now I just want to get a working system in place, check odds and what not... and get players to start playing on it for free.. if that goes smoothly ill convert it over to isk
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Mephie
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mephie on 07/08/2008 05:44:43
Originally by: Lubimchik However what if I wanted to add slots, I mean short of cheating the player I couldnt really see a way to make this work, unless I only had so many and each one was filled with so much ISK and after it was gone it needed refilled...
Nah, no need to refill virtual slots, just run it like a real casino. Take a random algorithm that's weighted on the losing side. You'll have to have enough to cover the high points (when it starts handing out cash) but over time it's an isk-generator. The beauty is, since it's virtual, you can simulate a few million pulls on test algorithms and see how well you'd do, and even plot a graph of the wallet to see about how much was needed for that run. A few of those and you can dial in on how much you should have laying around.
If you're a LAMP developer, feel free to contact me in game and I'll help you with some starter algs. (edit) Well, feel free to ask even if you're not a LAMP dev, but I may try to convert you. (/edit)
--Meph
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:05:00 -
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I'll gamble at said casino iff there are free drinks
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steveid
Haiduken
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:06:00 -
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the only real way you can make this work is to use an oog isk source that you can get some from whenever you need to pay the bets and to receive the bets from. With this in mind I heartily recommend talking to the eve bank people and coding a way to auto withdraw from peoples accounts there and have your own slush account from which you can pay people. I think it would be mutually beneficial.
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:18:00 -
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A little while back, EBANK was looking into creating an affiliate program similar to Paypal. I imagine they'll release that on around when they release all their upgrades.
Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp |
Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:20:00 -
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Yeah I figured out how to do it all... Me and a friend are working on coding it we will see how it goes!
And yes free drinks for everyone!
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:26:00 -
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Gambling i think is quite a big pastime with quite a few pilots in eve. There have been alot of lotteries and quite a few poker casino's over the last year.
I think roulette and blackjack would go down well with the eve community if you can set it up. Nearly everyone knows how to play blackjack and similar with roulette.
Also craps is a great gambling game , though maybe be played alot more in the usa than europe.
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:28:00 -
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This is a great idea. If you can get someone trusted in "the community" to vouch for you, you can expect heavy public investment. Audits would be meaningless in this case, though.
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Thorrak McFluffypants
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:35:00 -
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I'd invest, especially if the investment was collateralized with the source code of the operation. Best case I get my money back, worst case I end up taking over the operation. Sounds deeeeelightful.
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:05:00 -
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I've got about half of a great poker program running, but unfortunately IGB doesn't support AJAX.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:26:00 -
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Having the site is one thing. You won't be able to handle the cash though (no rep).
The transactional part will have to be handled separately
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ctttttttt
Caldari THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:05:00 -
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This is a really cool idea, its going to be intresting to see how it turns out - hell id play it.
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.08.08 06:37:00 -
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I have been thinking about doing the same thing for a couple of months now, but I am just too lazy to get started. getting the coding done is the hard part handling the trust is easy, there is multiple ways it can be done. now the big question is if I should give you my ideas or get my act together and start competing with you ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination. |
Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: TomHorn Edited by: TomHorn on 08/08/2008 01:40:42 Edited by: TomHorn on 08/08/2008 01:37:14 Gambling i think is quite a big pastime with quite a few pilots in eve. There have been alot of lotteries and quite a few poker casino's over the last year.
I think roulette and blackjack would go down well with the eve community if you can set it up. Nearly everyone knows how to play blackjack and similar with roulette.
Also craps is a great gambling game , though maybe be played alot more in the usa than europe.
Quote: its definitely doable the issue would be having people actually trust that your code isn't rigging the games.
There should be know need to rig the coding if its done correctly because the house has the advantage, and should win in the longrun.
Although it wont stop players from coming away as winners and in some instances big winners but in the long run the house will make a profit and thats what you want. You dont want your customers to go broke if you own a casino you want them to keep coming back.
Yeah.. lol.. there is no reason at all to rig the games, I have been doing a lot research and really rigging the games would just be over kill. I will make money regardless. Its kind of like having money in the bank and just making interest off having it there.
I already have the transaction parts handled as well, start up capital I will worry about when I get done with the system.
If all goes well I Will be able to leech off of EBanks good name for buying in and cashing out ;).
Planned Games: Blackjack Slots Roulette (American) Video Poker Craps Keno
I am also playing around with an automated lottery system. We will see how that idea goes later!
All of the games will be playable through the IGB. Where as this cuts down on the graphics ability of the games, I think it will be successful because people can play while doing anything in eve, a 20 jump auto pilot through high sec in your freighter? Kewl ill play some slots! Gate camping enemy war targets and the going pretty slow... yeah ill play some slots!
Anyway guys thanks a lot for all your support, and keep the ideas coming! Further more if your interested in investing in the future hit me up in game or throw me an eve mail. I WILL NOT be accepting any investments until the site is completely done, but that doesn't mean you cant get on the list early lol.
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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lubimchik on 09/08/2008 08:15:55 Just an update here guys.
I finished slots today, there is a bit of tweaking that needs to go on, and I plan on posting a sample here sometime late tomorrow to kind of show people.
I decided to model the system after a 3 reel slot machine where each reel is weighed the same. In real slot machines the reels are weighed diffrently the first one having more of the high paying symble randoms,the middle one a little bit less, and the last one barely any. This is used in casinos to give that "near miss" effect of getting like two 7s and a "Blank".
I have learned alot about how casinos work.
Oh yeah the reason I am posting updates here is because when I get the system finished I plan on doing on doing an IPO, I also plan on asking someone to help me with it a bit sense it will be my first ever and I am rather new to the whole thing. I hope by posting updates and progress, people will be less likely to think that I am going to scam them and walk away once they see that I have put time and effort into the system!
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Lubimchik
Power Seed Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.10 07:03:00 -
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Alright!
So the slots logic for the most part is done. This slots system has a 96% payout. Which means if you played the game forever you could only ever make 96% of your money back. Which of course is impossible and in the short term anything could happen.
http://www.roleplayerworld.com/casino/slots.php
Is the link for where you can test it. Its not very visually pleasing, but that will come in time!
I feel that its loose enough that people will not feel scammed for pumping their money into it, but tight enough that a profit can still be made!
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