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Cat Gilligan
Caldari Blair Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:58:00 -
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WAY over the top to do the sec status changes AND remove insurance!
Should have done one or the other, not both. What the hell's going on at CCP, did you hire Julio Torres, John Smedley, and Chris Cao and tell them to revamp EVE so you can compete with WOW?
(for those who don't know those people were the SOE/LucasArts "masterminds" behind the Star Wars Galaxies NGE).
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus I can do what I want. If you don't like my local chat, don't listen to me... block me. If you you don't want me to run missions in your system... well find another one. The system is NOT yours anyway. Maybe I'm claiming the system. Maybe it's mine... so blah.
Nope, what I want to do is war dec you and cause problems for your disrespect in local. I don't want to block you, I want to kill your ship and pod you multiple times. That would make me feel better and increase the enjoyment of my game play.
And if your claiming the system then maybe I want to take it from you. If you haven't noticed Hi Sec is a little different then Low Sec and 0.0. The only way to kick someone out of a Hi Sec system is to War Dec em. If I have a problem with a bunch of NPC corp people I should be able to war dec em to get em out of the system I want my Mother to call home. Isn't that fair? Isn't this no insurance suicide gank thing all about being fair? Shouldn't my play style be treated fairly also?
I have faith in CCP. They are doing the speed nerf. They will do this suicide gank nerf. I do think they will do the NPC corp nerf also. Never say never in this game. If you think the DEVs wont mess with it then it most definitly will be messed with. I can not wait for the day to come when I can finally kill dbhklfvb1 in Hi Sec without Concord being in the way.
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hedfunk
Caldari Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:09:00 -
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Just to make a point, I'd like to know how many suicide gankers have lost loot when hauling it to trade hubs? I'm willing to bet zero. If we can do it, why can't you?
This change will stop profitability for suicide gankers, it WONT stop goons from popping miners and empty haulers for laughs. All you need is enough people in caracals to do that, and goons aren't short on numbers are they? And takes around a day or two to get a character to that stage.
Actually, I might just start doing that. If all the suicide gankers did that aswell as the goons, I'm sure some epic whine thread would emerge.
The Privateer nerf saw the rise of suicide ganking (yes it's been around for years, but only got very popular after priv nerf) perhaps the suicide ganking nerf will see the rise of plain old suicide griefing
Be careful of what you wish for.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Garreck Get a grip, folks. This change will not stop suicide ganking for profit (piracy, a totally acceptable trade in Eve). This change will only stop suicide ganking just for giggles (arguably griefing, and CCP seem to have landed on that side of the fence).
If folks want to run level 4 missions all day in high-sec in an npc corp to minimize risk to the extreme...then they have their reward in full already, because that's a pretty pointless Eve existence. Preying on those kinds of people just to do it was also a fairly pointless Eve existence.
Fit a scanner, find the haulers with the phat l00tz, suicide your ship(s), write off the losses as "cost of operating," and roll in the net profit. Pretty simple, really.
To get a bit serious for a while, I don't think most of us are actually whining about the changes themselves. What we - or at least I - are upset about is that the general focus of the game is being changed from a hard core dog-eat-dog environment where the devs don't give handouts and where players make their own justice and get to live with the consequences of their actions, to a casual-friendly mainstream online experience. I joined up to play the first game. If I wanted to play the second game I would have joined WoW, because that game does it much better.
This. I don't really care about the changes that much myself, but I find the direction the game is taking VERY disturbing. If both this and the proposed nano-nerf go through in their entirety, I will be reconsidering my subscription.
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lucy''Lastic on 06/08/2008 17:16:54 Edited by: Lucy''Lastic on 06/08/2008 17:16:24
Is this change a result of the meetings the CSM had with CCP?
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Spine Raptor
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:32:00 -
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After reading this thread... I think the majority of people need to just realize and accept that this is just a game.
That said, I liked Eve more than other MMOGs because the community didn't "whine" as much about "nerfs" and other changes. Eve is supposed to be a community of more-mature gamers...but I kinda see World of Warcrafters and the like all over the forums.
But yeah, this is just a game and everyone plays it differently. I play with my friends very very casually and PvP isn't a big thing for me. They're just trying to make a balanced game that all types of players can enjoy no matter what their play style is. CCP is doing what they think is best for the game...and since they created it and obviously want it to flourish and carry on for years, I say let's just all trust them that everything will work out. The game is constantly evolving and changing...so nothing is ever really set in stone anyways. |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/08/2008 17:46:16
Originally by: Spine Raptor and since they created it and obviously want it to flourish and carry on for years, I say let's just all trust them that everything will work out.
Like watching a car coming at you on the wrong side of the road and hope the driver wakes up soon...
No, seriously, its not that bad, but like many others, I was hoping for CCP to keep true to their original philosophy of a cold, harsh universe. Consensual pvp zones makes it like every other game out there in that regard.
Of course Eve has many other strengths as well, its just a shame it has one less now.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Dominious
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:47:00 -
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A major boost to low sec and anti-piracy as a profession, yet people still complain . Just wow.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 06/08/2008 17:54:35
Ahh, come home from work pretty late, take a peak at Eve-o forums, and what do you know, 3 more pages of gankbear tears!
Originally by: Jim McGregor
No, seriously, its not that bad, but like many others, I was hoping for CCP to keep true to their original philosophy of a cold, harsh universe.
When the Concord changes go through, they will finally have eliminated the Wow-esque 'you get your ship[value] back instantly upon death'-mechanic that is known as insurance. Though of course that was only true of those who fit for it, with cheap mods.
One small step towards a colder, harsher universe. Rejoice!
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
When the Concord changes go through, they will finally have eliminated the Wow-esque 'you get your ship[value] back instantly upon death'-mechanic that is known as insurance. One small step towards a colder, harsher universe. Rejoice!
If only they got rid of it all together. Think about how cold and harsh that would be! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dominious A major boost to low sec and anti-piracy as a profession, yet people still complain . Just wow.
Why would anyone go to low sec besides running through it on their way to high sec or 0.0. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon Ahh, come home from work pretty late, take a peak at Eve-o forums, and what do you know, 3 more pages of gankbear tears!
Originally by: Jim McGregor
No, seriously, its not that bad, but like many others, I was hoping for CCP to keep true to their original philosophy of a cold, harsh universe.
When the Concord changes go through, they will finally have eliminated the Wow-esque 'you get your ship[value] back instantly upon death'-mechanic that is known as insurance. One small step towards a colder, harsher universe. Rejoice!
Nobody will do suicide attacks by then. The value of a hauler will rarely be worth the loss of every ship in a successful suicide gank.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Ihar Enda
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ihar Enda on 06/08/2008 18:15:17
Fail.
More handholding for careless players.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
If only they got rid of it all together. Think about how cold and harsh that would be!
That's fine by me, as long as newbs are given some umbrella so they aren't as likely to quit when their first cruiser pops. But then the concord km insurance voidance has to be in effect, to prevent alt recycling becoming the new pirating.
Who knows, maybe it would lead to more cruisers and frigs!
I also have no problem with NPC corp limitations.
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Maam
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ihar Enda Edited by: Ihar Enda on 06/08/2008 18:15:17
Fail.
More handholding for careless players.
Less handholding for grifers.
Hint - declare war. You can shoot people wherever you like. Yummy.
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Smothered Buffalo
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:20:00 -
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If you don't want carebear mode, go to 0.0!
It is really that easy. lol @ your suicide ganking fun being ruined
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32Kilo
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maam
Originally by: Ihar Enda Edited by: Ihar Enda on 06/08/2008 18:15:17
Fail.
More handholding for careless players.
Less handholding for grifers.
Hint - declare war. You can shoot people wherever you like. Yummy.
you dont know much. you dont know much about the war dec system. corp hopping is legal. you cant get noob corps who will now get to smack talk and mission ***** with imputity
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:23:00 -
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Hello kitty online indeed.
Speed 5 years building a hardcore PVP population and then nerf it all to hell by removing the most challenging parts of combat and adding safe zones.
GG. I'm off to look for a real open PVP game :( Don't think I'm going to find one.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Dominious
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Dominious A major boost to low sec and anti-piracy as a profession, yet people still complain . Just wow.
Why would anyone go to low sec besides running through it on their way to high sec or 0.0.
A bit off topic but since you brought it up I'll answer. Low sec is devoid of targets not because high sec is this magical high-profit land, but because it's been over-hunted. Coupled with the fact that in high sec you can do activities for longer periods of time but with less interruptions makes it less of a hassle to operate in. This patch may actually bring new life into low sec since it boosts anti-piracy and low sec. Anti-piracy isn't exactly what high sec pirates want but welcome to Eve, where there are consequences for your actions. The bulk of high sec pirates are being forced back into low sec, where they will face anti-pirates, and hopefully it will attract high sec dwellers. I personally operate in 0.0 and low sec. I can see how this change negatively affects the "free-lunch" PVPers. But I really have no sympathy for them anyway.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:25:00 -
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Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe this kerfuffle as the gankers whining that their personal Hello Kitty playstyle is being affected?
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae GG. I'm off to look for a real open PVP game :( Don't think I'm going to find one.
Suicide ganking is "PVP" by "hardcore PVP" gamers?
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dominious
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Dominious A major boost to low sec and anti-piracy as a profession, yet people still complain . Just wow.
Why would anyone go to low sec besides running through it on their way to high sec or 0.0.
A bit off topic but since you brought it up I'll answer. Low sec is devoid of targets not because high sec is this magical high-profit land, but because it's been over-hunted. Coupled with the fact that in high sec you can do activities for longer periods of time but with less interruptions makes it less of a hassle to operate in. This patch may actually bring new life into low sec since it boosts anti-piracy and low sec. Anti-piracy isn't exactly what high sec pirates want but welcome to Eve, where there are consequences for your actions. The bulk of high sec pirates are being forced back into low sec, where they will face anti-pirates, and hopefully it will attract high sec dwellers. I personally operate in 0.0 and low sec. I can see how this change negatively affects the "free-lunch" PVPers. But I really have no sympathy for them anyway.
Not a chance. Mining/ratting in low sec isnt worth it compared to high sec missions even if it was done in perfect safety. With the added risk its just pointless. Heck its not even worth it compared to high sec mining. Low sec missions add a neglible bonus that completely disappears when you consider that you must take precautions to stay safe. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Dominious
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Esu Nahalas Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe this kerfuffle as the gankers whining that their personal Hello Kitty playstyle is being affected?
This! Eve has actually gotten tougher for the "free-lunch" PVPers. But alas, it's not what they really want, is it.
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Maam
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae Speed 5 years building a hardcore PVP population and then nerf it all to hell by removing the most challenging parts of combat and adding safe zones
Help me out here. How does removing insurance payouts make it any easier or harder for you to gank someone? You just have to save your pennies up for longer to be able to do it.
It does, however, have no bearing on the /difficulty/ of the operation.
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Angeltara
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes It hasn't made the carebears safe, just safer. Now all they need to do, is limit the freedom in starter corporations and it's a great change.
Well why would you need to be safer ? Why is it always the pvp'ers way of life getting nerfed whilst the carebears roam around free with no need for adaptation ?
Why do the idiots need protection from the smarter in a game that is suppose to be a unforgiving harsh enviroment ?
Err, are you really saying that sitting outside a station for hours on end blowing up industrials with your thumb up yous a$$ really a smarter player???? If so, then your definition of smart is considered ******ed by most others. Guess you will need to get off your lazy arses and do some real PVP for a change.
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 06/08/2008 18:34:49 So the hardcore players who want their cold universe are whining their profession which is less risky than lvl 4 missioning gets a bit more risk added, awwww....
Why do always the 'pvp' players think carebears get it easier all the time and the carebears think the pvp'ers get it easier.
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Maam
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Why do always the 'pvp' players think carebears get it easier all the time and the carebears think the pvp'ers get it easier.
Something about the grass always being greener on the other side?
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae Hello kitty online indeed.
Speed 5 years building a hardcore PVP population and then nerf it all to hell by removing the most challenging parts of combat and adding safe zones.
GG. I'm off to look for a real open PVP game :( Don't think I'm going to find one.
If you think suicide ganking is challenging, you're doing it wrong! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Dominious
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Not a chance. Mining/ratting in low sec isnt worth it compared to high sec missions even if it was done in perfect safety. With the added risk its just pointless. Heck its not even worth it compared to high sec mining. Low sec missions add a neglible bonus that completely disappears when you consider that you must take precautions to stay safe.
High sec mining is more profitable at the moment because not enough people are mining the low end ores. Supply vs Demand. Simple as that. CCP didn't all of a sudden decide Veldspar will be worth such and such. In a way, we, the playerbase, have decided that. If we don't like the current ore prices make these prices work for you. If Veld is profitable at the moment, hop on a hulk and mine it yourself in high sec. If enough players did this it would bring back down the price of trit.
In reference to your missions comment. Running missions in low sec IS more profitable than high sec if the interruptions were the same. Whether you believe this or not is irrelevant. The difference is that in high sec you spend longer periods of time uninterrupted while in low sec you don't. But this is the symptom brought about by the overhunting of low sec. In low sec pirates ran unchecked. With anti-piracy now having a better chance of survival things may actually change for the better driving both carebears and pirates into low sec.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dominious
High sec mining is more profitable at the moment because not enough people are mining the low end ores. Supply vs Demand. Simple as that. CCP didn't all of a sudden decide Veldspar will be worth such and such. In a way, we, the playerbase, have decided that. If we don't like the current ore prices make these prices work for you. If Veld is profitable at the moment, hop on a hulk and mine it yourself in high sec. If enough players did this it would bring back down the price of trit.
If you mine in high sec atm you are either a utter fool or a macrominer/afk miner. The only reason you would be willing to spend your isk making time earning less than half of what a semicompetent mission***** is getting would be because you can do it with a macro. We the playerbase did not decide to set missionpayouts like they are now. So your statement is completely wrong.
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In reference to your missions comment. Running missions in low sec IS more profitable than high sec if the interruptions were the same. Whether you believe this or not is irrelevant. The difference is that in high sec you spend longer periods of time uninterrupted while in low sec you don't. But this is the symptom brought about by the overhunting of low sec. In low sec pirates ran unchecked. With anti-piracy now having a better chance of survival things may actually change for the better driving both carebears and pirates into low sec.
No its not a symptom of overhunting of low sec. You can never make low sec safe enough to make the tiny bonus better than missioning without any interruptions in high sec.
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